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post Oct 22 2008, 01:56 PM
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Since I saw the first season of Heroes I have been patiently, yet eagerly awaiting the moment Peter finally rises to his potential and becomes the ultimate super hero we have always pictured him to be. I know it takes time, and every hero needs experiences to build personality and character but lessons to be learned and remembered. Unfortunately, the exact opposite has happened. Instead he has become a complete mess of a human being. No one makes more mistakes than Peter and it also appears that Peter has absolutely no intelligence and can't make the correct decision ever. I believe Peter should be the All-Power Hero, "The Most Special" as he said in the past episode. As of yet, he's done nothing but under acheive and ruin everything around him. I hope they can still save his character but seriously, let's count all the problems that are a direct result of Pete's actions.

1.) New York Explodes - It's Pete's inability to control his power that puts the city in danger. Only once Claire threatens to put a bullet in his head and Nathan fly's him away that the day is saved

2.) Peter's Love Life - First he plays hide-n-go seek in Issac's apartment which leads to his then love interest, Simone, being shot by Issac (oops). Then he accidently leaves his irish girlfriend in the future. Seriously, left her in the future! Of course not before he attracts attention to the bar he's staying at that get's Kaitlyn's brother killed.

3.) Adam's Toy - Because of Pete's blind allegiance to Adam, he helps him nearly release the virus. Again he is bailed out by others as Parkman, and Nathan try to calm Peter down and Hiro rids us of Adam

4.) Back From the Future - In the future episode, we even get a glimpse of Peter on his own, running from danger because he's being hunted. Who really knows how he messed up then but Claire sure seems angry with him. Then he comes back to prevent it all by shooting his brother in the chest. Great Idea. His actions then set off the horrible series of events that have lead to Villians' main plot.

5.) Daddy Issues - Give your old man a hug? Dude, you read minds, you stop time, you have every power in the world, how do you fall for that trick? Oops, lost my powers. What? How do you just bust up in this place like a bad-a** and get defeated by a power-sucking hug. Take a procautionary measure to protect yourself. Have you seriously not learned this lesson by now?

These are just a few things (my friend and I have laughed over many other situations), and I hate writing anything negative about my favorite show (infact this is my first post since last season, I'd rather read your thoughts!) let alone my favorite character, but if things don't change I can't imagine cheering for him in the same way. I thought he was on an epic journey that would forever change him and catapult him to legendary status. It seems like he is going through an endless cycle of trials and he never learns a single lesson from any of them. Quit putting him in trapped situations, let him keep his powers, for Pete's sake let him be himself ONE TIME so we can truly see his potential. I can't be the only one who believes he was supposed to lead the heroes through this saga. Give his character the justice he deserves. Someone let him do something good instead of being the catalyst for everything that goes wrong. *end rant*

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post Oct 22 2008, 02:29 PM
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Patience young padawan, his time will come.

He just seems too immature to be 'the one' just yet. He lacks the foresight and control over his emotions, he rushes into situations blindly and full of intent without considering the consequences. I'm sure the writers will eventually get him to the place he needs to be but for now we have to watch him make one mistake after another.

2) made me laugh (checking pockets).....'Kaitlyn, Kaitlyn, I know she's here somewhere....' slaps forehead

and yeah the father hug thing was a bit stupid, I'd be saying 'hold on, what the hell is going on, where did you go why are you back, what have you done to mom?' etc but, yunno , it made for a good end to the episode.

I guess he's just a bit clueless at the moment and that can be frustrating but it's all part of the ride. It will make it that much sweeter when he gets his act together. wink.gif


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post Oct 22 2008, 05:20 PM
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ok lol the reason he went in all badass without thinking is because he has sylars powers and he has the hunger so to speak and sylar warned him in the hallway thats why he went in all willy nilly lol and as far as reading minds and other things i doubt he is advanced as his farther who put his mom in coma from a precog dream she had and when he tried to read her mind he got cut off..... so yea

but yes was dumb hugging him knowing that him and his brother have power mimicking abilities i would just went in there and slaughtered everyone or just went in seen everyone and exploded lol...

and like i answered in the beginning he is not immature for rushing in he cant control himself now if he didn't have any foresight he wouldn't of went back and tried to change things even though some things changed he didn't give out to much information and he said he does not know the consequences if he gives out anymore information. i think his only downfall witch he doesn't seem to have is trusting people he need to listen to what that guy told him about cutting people out.
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post Oct 22 2008, 05:41 PM
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Well I didn't get the impression "the hunger" was making him that way, Sylar certainly wasn't like that. I put it down to him being impetuous.


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post Oct 22 2008, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (itronik @ Oct 22 2008, 03:29 PM) *
and yeah the father hug thing was a bit stupid, I'd be saying 'hold on, what the hell is going on, where did you go why are you back, what have you done to mom?' etc but, yunno , it made for a good end to the episode.


The other thing about the father hug, was that it seemed to show that since Adam had some telepathic discussion with Arthur, Arthur also has telepathy and that if Peter tried to read his father's mind he could stop him with feedback or some other idea. Though maybe like Maury he latently put the idea into Peter's head.
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post Oct 23 2008, 10:03 AM
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Because he's an a**. Wahh me this wahh me that. I actually have a few seconds of recording of that bit from season one where david eccleston is kicking the crap out of Peter and basically telling him to grow up, its in slow motion too.


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post Oct 23 2008, 04:43 PM
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First of all, I giggled fiercely reading that. I have a "Heroes night" with a group of friends every monday and we have said THE EXACT SAME THING. We love Peter, don't get us wrong (hence the sig), but he's an amazingly unperceptive tool sometimes. Seriously, let me just leave my girlfriend in the future to be deported in a disease-ridden world and follow Adam's albeit hot body all over the place like a puppy instead of trying to get back to the future (he could have asked Michael J Fox for help) and at LEAST bring her back to the present time! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE UBER HERO FOR FRAK'S SAKE! He can do ANYTHING! *Aladdin Genie voice* PHENOMINAL COSMIC POWERS- in an itty bitty emo space. And he just makes stupid mistake after stupid mistake. SOMEONE buy the boy a better magic 8-ball! I mean come on, how does it feel to be Nathan? Both of your brothers are practically gods but don't worry- you can fly! And he has to watch Peter waste all the power he has and for what? To get a big scar and buy stock in hair gel and leather 4 years in the future? What, is there going to be a cotton shortage or something? Or did he just watch the matrix too many times? AND now he has NO powers because somebody needed a hug. WHY PETER WHY???? Apparently Mama Petrelli forgot to read him Dr. Seuss' "Oh the places you'll go" as a child.

Okay, now that I have agreed with your rant, and ranted myself, i have to say that Peter is still my favorite character, and he always will be. He's that guy that you love dearly but his life is a train wreck on repeat.


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post Oct 24 2008, 06:29 AM
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I read your posts, I laughed a lot, I totally agree. And at the same time it makes me sad somehow. After Isaac died, Peter became my favourite character, and I believe he did so because of his simple humanity. His emotions are pure, he´s not hiding anything, he is passionate, and that makes him vulnerable. (And me protective *sigh*.) I try to see that side in him more than anything else (meaning more than his powers and what they lead him to), but I also understand that people see this as naivety or even as being childish. Someone wrote elsewhere that Peter had to be written as a total dumba** when it came to power usage, for he was too powerful. I think that is the problem. But I would rather have a simple, caring character as Peter have all the power than Nathan (whom I also like very much!!!), who is more in danger of being tempted.

Anyhow, I would like to see Peter become more pro-active. He is always just re-acting, be it to other people or events. And I would like to see if his loss of powers might even help him in this? Maybe all these powers made him lose his way, for it must have changed him completely, he must have felt as if he was becoming someone else. While Maury seemed to be terrified to lose his power, it doesn´t seem to matter too much to Pete- maybe he knows better who he is and what he has to do without them (and that might stop him from messing around). And yes, I know that the show is called Heroes. I just like some philosophical questions to be around...


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post Oct 24 2008, 08:10 PM
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LOL this thread. You guys crack me up. XD

& this is exactly the reason why I'm glad he lost his powers. (GASP)
He'll get them back eventually, I'm sure. And watching him get them back will be fun.

Maybe being a normal human for once will make him realize that he's a screw up and needs to think BEFORE he goes and does something else stupid.

He still is my favorite character, buuut ya know. Grow up, Pete, s'il vous plaît.



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post Oct 24 2008, 08:30 PM
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I have a theory, I think Arthur can block ability's of reading mind. Adam was able to why not Arthur? He's been around so many mind readers in the past, Mary for instance. Ask for time stop well if you just found out your father was a live wouldn't you want to learn more about why your father has been a live and why he's done what he's done? I'd be curious and since he hasn't seen Arthur in such a long time, wouldn't you want a huge from your father you thought was dead? I mean you never really think that, that family member could be evil or at leasts you try not to. You never want some one close to you to be evil. Ask for the other stuff you guy's are mentioning, being Adam's puppet yah he didn't have a memory at that time and they did meet before he got his memory mine whiped and Adam helped save Nathan. Who would you trust? Guy who helped save Nathan your brother? OR few people you just meet that you have no memory of? Matt who's telling Peter to go after Adam who healed his brother, I'd be like and you are? Or how about trusting some guy with a sword that just popped in out of no where, yah.


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post Oct 26 2008, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE (futureproof @ Oct 25 2008, 06:10 AM) *
LOL this thread. You guys crack me up. XD

& this is exactly the reason why I'm glad he lost his powers. (GASP)
He'll get them back eventually, I'm sure. And watching him get them back will be fun.

Maybe being a normal human for once will make him realize that he's a screw up and needs to think BEFORE he goes and does something else stupid.

He still is my favorite character, buuut ya know. Grow up, Pete, s'il vous plaît.


I think this is exactly why he had to lose his powers. I posted in another thread that it seems to be a theme developing.

First Usutu makes a big point to Hiro that he had to start using his brain and not relying on powers. Now Peter is in a position where he must do the same or be written off or destroyed. So before we see a huge power match, I think we're going to see some mental fireworks going on with lesser villains being defeated purely by brains, and then the good guys will get to use their powers in an uneven match with the more-powerful villains where the creativity they develop will make the difference.

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post Oct 30 2008, 09:26 AM
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I definitely think that now that Peter is powerless, he's going to have to start thinking things through, rather than before when he could rely on his powers. So during this period, he's going to develop the mindset of a hero, so when he gets his powers back, he'll be able to use them like a hero rather than an overgrown teenager

Well, in Season 1 Peter once found out that he was the bomb, he did all manner of things to try and stop it. But after losing Claude's help, he did try and get plane tickets to the middle of nowhere. But then he attacked Issac, Simone died, then he was killed by Sylar. So he didn't really have too much time to get his plan straight and leave New York. And then he must have realised, possibly from his dreams/painting, that if he didn't go and stop Sylar, then Sylar would have exploded instead of him. So he took the risk of exploding himself to go stop Sylar. That's why I think anyway

And leaving Caitlin in the future was stupid, but AMAZING! I don't know what it would be like if those two were still together to this very day. It would be more annoying than every stupid thing Peter's ever done, put together

I tend to ignore stuff from Season 2 though . The pathetic events that transpired in Season 2 shouldn't still be plaguing characters in Season 3. I'll put down S2 Peter's stupidity with Adam down to poor writing

Peter and Claire are enemies in the future. It's nothing to do with his stupidity, it's just that they chose different sides, so Claire's side ended up perceiving Peter as a villain

And.. eh.. oh, the hug! Please, Peter's always been vulnerable around his family. After trying to kill his mum, he tries to redeem his mistakes by going after whoever put her in the coma. Finding out that the person responsible is your apparently-dead-dad would kinda mess with your head. Most people would feel too emotional to think of anything else other than that their father is alive! I don't think that's too big a deal, though I must say, that scene could have done with a lot more emotion than the amount they used (I'm a sop when it comes to tearjerking family scenes)


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post Oct 31 2008, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Oct 30 2008, 06:26 PM) *
I definitely think that now that Peter is powerless, he's going to have to start thinking things through, rather than before when he could rely on his powers. So during this period, he's going to develop the mindset of a hero, so when he gets his powers back, he'll be able to use them like a hero rather than an overgrown teenager



I so hope that you are right!!! But the last episode didn´t give me much hope. Peter met his father, and instead of having some reasonable conversation at some time, Peter just shouts at him and threatens him. I totally understand his emotions, his fury, his need for revenge. But Peter and those he wants to protect might find it more helpful, if he just listens to what his father has to say and talks to him. This is NOT about trust (for I wouldn´t trust Arthur as well (neither Angela)). This is about gathering informations and putting the puzzle together. That would be a good way for a Hero. But okay, the season has a few more episodes to offer (thank God!).


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post Oct 31 2008, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Hathor @ Oct 23 2008, 04:43 PM) *
First of all, I giggled fiercely reading that. I have a "Heroes night" with a group of friends every monday and we have said THE EXACT SAME THING. We love Peter, don't get us wrong (hence the sig), but he's an amazingly unperceptive tool sometimes. Seriously, let me just leave my girlfriend in the future to be deported in a disease-ridden world and follow Adam's albeit hot body all over the place like a puppy instead of trying to get back to the future (he could have asked Michael J Fox for help) and at LEAST bring her back to the present time! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE UBER HERO FOR FRAK'S SAKE! He can do ANYTHING! *Aladdin Genie voice* PHENOMINAL COSMIC POWERS- in an itty bitty emo space. And he just makes stupid mistake after stupid mistake. SOMEONE buy the boy a better magic 8-ball! I mean come on, how does it feel to be Nathan? Both of your brothers are practically gods but don't worry- you can fly! And he has to watch Peter waste all the power he has and for what? To get a big scar and buy stock in hair gel and leather 4 years in the future? What, is there going to be a cotton shortage or something? Or did he just watch the matrix too many times? AND now he has NO powers because somebody needed a hug. WHY PETER WHY???? Apparently Mama Petrelli forgot to read him Dr. Seuss' "Oh the places you'll go" as a child.

Okay, now that I have agreed with your rant, and ranted myself, i have to say that Peter is still my favorite character, and he always will be. He's that guy that you love dearly but his life is a train wreck on repeat.



Giggle, giggle! *Aladdin Genie voice* PHENOMINAL COSMIC POWERS- in an itty bitty emo space. Frakkin' perfect. It's S3, the P. Parker mirror again... cool.gif
I think he needs to go see Mr. Miagi, or maybe Hiro will bring Mr. African Issac to Peter.
Thank you for your post, Hathor!


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