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> So does Papa Patrellie have teh hunger too?
Ellesmygirl
post Oct 23 2008, 02:57 PM
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I mean, Peter got it from Sylar, so it only makes sense for him to get it too.
right?if so, that could be his downfall, or uprising depending on the was you look at it.
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post Oct 23 2008, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (Ellesmygirl @ Oct 23 2008, 11:57 PM) *
I mean, Peter got it from Sylar, so it only makes sense for him to get it too.
right?if so, that could be his downfall, or uprising depending on the was you look at it.
Dying of the light,m was wicked awesome!

I dont think he has it. just something about his body language, he seems Almost so confident that nothing could overthrow him. I think he knows about the hunger and would be worried if he could not control it. he did say he likes Gabriel the way he is.


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post Oct 24 2008, 09:40 AM
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true that!


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post Oct 24 2008, 09:44 AM
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I think Arthur had a hunger long before he absorbed Intuitive Aptitude. Looks like Angela was telling the truth about those delusions of grandure after all.
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post Oct 24 2008, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (Shadowrun @ Oct 24 2008, 06:44 PM) *
I think Arthur had a hunger long before he absorbed Intuitive Aptitude. Looks like Angela was telling the truth about those delusions of grandure after all.


IMO this whole hunger is a crock!!! If Pete has IA then he shouldn't have to look at brains as he can obtain the power from proximity and should gain an understanding of it from using it. It should have been played down as a power that would make Peter complete and not the power that had sylar murdering two seasons ago.
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post Oct 24 2008, 10:54 AM
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I don't think the hunger is for figuring complicated things out and the brains are pretty complicated and people with powers are even more complicated....


The more I think about it, the more I think it ads to the story that he gets the hunger. It just played a too big part for Peter to loose it like that.
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post Oct 24 2008, 11:04 AM
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IMO this whole hunger is a crock!!! If Pete has IA then he shouldn't have to look at brains as he can obtain the power from proximity and should gain an understanding of it from using it. It should have been played down as a power that would make Peter complete and not the power that had sylar murdering two seasons ago.

Very true, the only reason the hunger was introduced was so that they had somethng for Sylar to do this season (he should have died at the end of S1 by the way). They constantly change him, first he wanted to be the only special one in the world and then somehow that changed so if someone couldn't fight him they didn't deserve their abilities and now it's a hunger. I can't imagine what's going to happen if he lives into the next volume.

The hunger is interesting don't get me wrong but they should have introduced that into a new ability (Arthur's perhaps, or maybe somoen like Linda Tavara) instead of going out of the way to change Sylar so they can keep shoving him into each new season.
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post Oct 24 2008, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (MrJP @ Oct 24 2008, 07:54 PM) *
I don't think the hunger is for figuring complicated things out and the brains are pretty complicated and people with powers are even more complicated....


The more I think about it, the more I think it ads to the story that he gets the hunger. It just played a too big part for Peter to loose it like that.


So are you saying that he still has IA? Maybe Arthur missed it in Pete, like Mohinder's dad missed it in Sylar. That would explain why F-Pete wanted P-Pete to get Sylar's power for that very reason. He knew that he would be getting wiped clean and needed a head start this tiume around.
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post Oct 24 2008, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (neddac @ Oct 24 2008, 08:05 PM) *
So are you saying that he still has IA? Maybe Arthur missed it in Pete, like Mohinder's dad missed it in Sylar. That would explain why F-Pete wanted P-Pete to get Sylar's power for that very reason. He knew that he would be getting wiped clean and needed a head start this tiume around.

good idea. I really like that.


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post Oct 25 2008, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE (Ando @ Oct 25 2008, 02:49 AM) *
good idea. I really like that.


That brings up the question of,.... does Peter really need his empathy back then? He looks like one of the villains in the painting. So if IA is still they're then Peter can still power collect. Spoilers also stated that Peter may be killing some people in the next episodes. So this could back that up,..... sounds good.


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post Oct 25 2008, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (GIBBY @ Oct 25 2008, 01:18 PM) *
That brings up the question of,.... does Peter really need his empathy back then? He looks like one of the villains in the painting. So if IA is still they're then Peter can still power collect. Spoilers also stated that Peter may be killing some people in the next episodes. So this could back that up,..... sounds good.


From what we've seen so far including sneak peaks and spoilers, I don't think Pete will side with Arthur. He'll be with the good guys but may go rogue here and there because of the hunger.

Think about it, he was basically 'bad' last season.

The photos have shown Sylar chillin with the Villains and seeing as we're half way through the volume, I think the sides have been made and sh*t needs to hit the fan.

On the E.M. topic, I don't think he needs it (if he's down with murder) but I think that he will regain it by injection

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post Oct 25 2008, 05:45 AM
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Ive seen the Gabriel pics myself,... but I don't think he'll join them. For the time being he seems like family guy. Peter will probably go like you said. But wouldn't it be great if he just went rogue completely, the hunger consuming him and thus him going on a murder spree. Later on he may understand his brother a bit better.

Tbh Peter has always been a bit of loner. So it wouldn't be that far fetched.


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post Oct 25 2008, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Shadowrun @ Oct 24 2008, 11:04 AM) *
Very true, the only reason the hunger was introduced was so that they had somethng for Sylar to do this season (he should have died at the end of S1 by the way). They constantly change him, first he wanted to be the only special one in the world and then somehow that changed so if someone couldn't fight him they didn't deserve their abilities and now it's a hunger. I can't imagine what's going to happen if he lives into the next volume.

The hunger is interesting don't get me wrong but they should have introduced that into a new ability (Arthur's perhaps, or maybe somoen like Linda Tavara) instead of going out of the way to change Sylar so they can keep shoving him into each new season.


...the hunger was already in S1. Rember the voicemail that Sylar left for Chandra?

It went like I can't control it, the hunger, I don't want to, you made me this way, etc.
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post Oct 26 2008, 10:06 AM
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IMO Peter didn't lose IA. Even though Arthur seems very strong and all, I don't think he could absorb it, like Peter couldn't absorb it just by being close to Sylar, he actually had to "learn" it.
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Arthurs skill at cards and seeing variables in the GNs could imply that Arthur already had IA and it was him that passed it on to Gabriel.


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post Oct 26 2008, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE (Shadowrun @ Oct 24 2008, 12:44 PM) *
I think Arthur had a hunger long before he absorbed Intuitive Aptitude. Looks like Angela was telling the truth about those delusions of grandure after all.


yeah i agree with u on that
but you "dissin" sylar screw you!!! jkjk lol


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post Oct 30 2008, 09:05 AM
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If he does, i don't think the writers are going to pay much attention to it. It's enough having two people with 'the hunger', that having all three would be a bit excessive

(to whoever said it) in the GNs, arthur is good at cards, but IA doesn't make you lucky at cards (how could it?), it does not have those sort of capacities. And people don't tend to pass on powers to children. Matt and Maury have the same ability, but in other cases, Flight+Pyrokinesis=RCR, Super Strength+Phasing=Technopathy, Precognitive Dreaming+Power Absorption= No ability, Empathic Mimicry and Intuitive Aptitude (though I will admit that Power Absorption and Empathic Mimicry are similar)

and sylar's IA has always been a hunger. I mean, he used the stuff about people not deserving their abilities as a reason, but really, no sane person would kill someone for that reason. And I think it fits perfectly into Sylar's power

Arthur's delusions of grandeur were part of a mental disorder, though Angela could have made that up


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post Oct 30 2008, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Oct 30 2008, 05:05 PM) *
(to whoever said it) in the GNs, arthur is good at cards, but IA doesn't make you lucky at cards (how could it?), it does not have those sort of capacities.


Arthur was good at cards in the sense that he could read people and count cards so that was poker and blackjack covered. No other card games, that require skill over luck, worth talking about.

QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Oct 30 2008, 05:05 PM) *
And people don't tend to pass on powers to children. Matt and Maury have the same ability, but in other cases, Flight+Pyrokinesis=RCR, Super Strength+Phasing=Technopathy, Precognitive Dreaming+Power Absorption= No ability, Empathic Mimicry and Intuitive Aptitude (though I will admit that Power Absorption and Empathic Mimicry are similar)


Maybe not directly but, like in real life, i bet grandchildren could display the abilities of their grandparents. There are loads of genes that could skip a generation etc. E.G. I'm 6'4" but neither of my parents were over 5'10'. My granduncles on the other hand were all 6'3"+

That's 2 for 2!!!

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post Oct 30 2008, 09:37 AM
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hey! I don't lose that easily!!! cool.gif cool.gif

1) We both agree that Arthur doesn't have Intuitive Aptitude then. That's fine. I was just commenting on the fact that an awful lot of people still seem to think that Arthur has IA

2) Claire would have Dreaming or Power Absorption by that logic. And Micah's grandmother, who appears in the graphic novels, has the power of Ability Augmentation, while micah's technopathy is nothing like that


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post Oct 30 2008, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Oct 30 2008, 05:37 PM) *
hey! I don't lose that easily!!! cool.gif cool.gif

1) We both agree that Arthur doesn't have Intuitive Aptitude then. That's fine. I was just commenting on the fact that an awful lot of people still seem to think that Arthur has IA

2) Claire would have Dreaming or Power Absorption by that logic. And Micah's grandmother, who appears in the graphic novels, has the power of Ability Augmentation, while micah's technopathy is nothing like that


You misunderstood the 1st part.

1. A heightened ability to count cards and read people would come from IA.

2. Logic? I was just proving there are no absolutes in genetics. I wanted to show that it would be more likely for a kid to have a certain ability if it ran in the family. You proved this yourself, "Precognitive Dreaming+Power Absorption= No ability, Empathic Mimicry and Intuitive Aptitude (though I will admit that Power Absorption and Empathic Mimicry are similar)
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Now stay down!!!! smile.gif
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