The only characters lagging the show in my opinion are Simone and mohinder they annoy me please kill them and Matt and Janice.If I want to see Matt and Janice I can just skip Heroes and go watch my mom say to my stepdad hand me the wrench, My stepdad saying I'll change the filter to the Central air and Heat.Or my aunts and uncles father and stepmom.

I really can't stand Nate I hope he is killed too.

It seems that a lot of characters do have some lagging storylines but I'm sure they'll pick up the pace very soon

I'm just wondering how Nathan will react about Peter being the favorite... Wasn't in Six Months Ago that he said he thought he was the favorite?

Angela Petrelli definitely knows something and I'm interested in seeing what she might reveal.

I haven't watched episode 10 in a while but I don't really remember him saying that. He said something about him and his father being closer but not with his mother. I don't think that Nathan will be all that surprised by that news

Well, yeah, Nathan probably wouldn't be that surprised. Peter's the sweet one who everyone likes. ....including me...

How about NP's Power be Wind Manipulation, IF it ever evolves to a higher level.

And or NP's body state when he's Flying has some Invulnerability aspect to it, To reach Mach 1. So MG and NP has that same ability to bestow to CB.

I wonder the reason the the Haitian wasn't able to Prevent NP's power is because it's NOT Brain based but Body based like Ted, MG, & Claude's.

I wonder if Nathan and peter will have a Johnathan & David relation?

The Haitian could have knocked out Nathan but Nathan flew away before the Haitian had an opportunity to use his power

I'd love to see Nathans powers explorered more and see him use it again.

But the Haitian also has the ability to block other people's powers. Why didn't he block Nathan's?

That was my point the Haitian didn't block Nathan's ability because the Haitian is working for Nathan's mother

How does it work?-
My theory-
Nathan’s body is conditioned for flight- so he won't burn up, heart colapse, etc during the process. He probably achieves this by using spare kinetic energy to throw off gravity. OR manipulating air currents OR gravitons.

Which would make the most sense, considering that on its own the human body would never be able to withstand the amount of pressure that comes with flight

Of course, I mean- planes have a bit of trouble and they don't have pesky organs to worry about.

Also to note is the ever popular "All powers are extensions/premutations/forms of TK"- Flight would just be TK used on oneself with great power and precision needed.

Its been mentioned that the characters are all seemingly genetically predisposed to not be affected harmfully by their own powers. Ted doesnt suffer at all despite inducing radioactivity. Nikki isnt harmed by punching through objects (and people) using her enhanced strength. The same goes for Nathan. I considered some kind of force field or invulnerability, but who knows. we may never get a solid explanation.

Well, Niki one can explain in that both the factors that prevent humans from using their true strength(that, under stress, can be bypassed- such as little children pulling adults out of burning cars and what not) are related to pain and healing, so both her sense of pain and healing are increase.Not the best explaination, but they don't give us geeks much to work with, huh?

Well that is true and I don't think that they ever will expand on that but they usually give some hints and maybe they will with Nathan

Note: I am not a scientist of any variety, more of a hack wanna be philosopher-writer. I only play one on TV.

I love the semi-scientific bits of Heroes since they let us geeks go and use big words to speculate about things- a longtime pastime o'mine. So, there's of course the immense problem of countering the pressure that one gets on the body when moving at hundreds of miles per hour from a dead stop through rippling air currents.

Let's try methods of explaining the power without having to have Nathan's body be conditioned for flight, which I think would show up on all those physicals the army gave him when he went off to Bosnia.

Now, let's look at aerokinesis, or wind manipulation, the manipulation of air currents. Even if one was to take all the air out of a room- which is quite easy, the room you are sitting in could fit in a scuba tank or a few, depending on how large it is, which an aerokinetic could effectively do by manipulating the air currents in their immediate area, there's still a big problem.

Newton dropped an apple. Oh, how it fell.

Gravity.

This is where manipulation of gravitons comes in.

Gravitons are part of the wonderful quantum field theory(and some variations of string theory, the theory to maybe kinda sorta rule them all maybe...), a hypothetical elementary particle. Yeah, hypothetical. So we are already reaching for straws. But anyway, gravitons, if they exist and quantum field theory proves to work on gravity as well as it did with the strong and weak force, mediate the force of gravity. In quantum field we diverge from gen. relativity in that gravity and the interactions of it are mediated by a particle(the graviton) and not space time being curved.

I could talk about how they work in String, but even better reading is the theories of Brane cosmology.

All wonderfully interesting stuff for would be physicists, and applicable to Heroes.

To be able to control a single graviton would take quite the effort, theoretically.

First of all, gravitons are like the more familiar photon- 0 mass, meaning they travel in vacuum at light speed. Not exactly somewhere you can just touch and manipulate. Second of all, you can't exactly...see them, thus why they are hypothetical! And detecting them is a lot harder than photons, because photons are sociable, while gravitons sit in the corner and write emo poetry- a low cross section or likelihood of interactions with matter and other particles, and interactions are needed to detect. Third of all, they control gravity, one of the most influential forces in the universe, and a few stray gravitons out of the huge number it would take to fly could do a lot of damage.

Thus meaning if Nathan's power, like many, emerged at an unexpected time and required practice to get to the level we see when chased by Haitian and Bennet...said practice might involve breaking a lotof stuff. Imagine Sylar's little fun with snow globes, and substitute snow globes for the fundamental forces of the universe.

Despite these qualms, I'll say graviton manipulation is something that should be looked into, by someone more qualified than me definitely.

The thing graviton manipulation, or astrokinesis(control of gravity) has over aerokinesis(control of winds) is that it could negate the potentially problematic- "Why don't his lungs collapse and how can he breathe and etc.?" A "bubble" of manipulated gravity around him, using the gravity outside of that to push himself along would keep Nathan shielded from pressure.

Now, TK. Very much like astro and aerokinesis in core ways- mind manipulating base forces. TK on oneself to fly is a great idea- unless you value your limbs and like living. It still has the pressure problem. Now, TK "fielded" or "bubbled" around the flyer is more promising, a way to negate pressure if used correctly.

As with all powers we have to ask where all this energy to move things all about and make various ruckuses is coming from, and I can put out the usual- tapping into dark matter, photosynthesis, etc, but who knows?

Well, that was a fun excuse to research physics. As if I need one. *Puts cat in hypothetical and walks away*

I'll second that

I really don't like Nathan either. He just has that thing in his voice and look that makes me wanna slap him. Whenever he opens his mouth, I just wish he would shut it up.

Aww poor Nathan, he's redeemed himself in my eyes

me too, it was more apparent as the show got further into the first season that he was kind of forced into this role of politics. If he REALLLLLY wanted Congress/The White House, he wouldn't of shown up to help save the world but rather seen it as his mother and Linderman did; an event in which the people will turn to Nathan for help.

I hope in the next season we'll see more and more of his true side....his emotional side...his hidden side

..his bearded side

lol Jester When I first saw the show i'll admit I didn't like Nathan that much, but I grew to love him and I'm looking forward to next season. I love the relationship between him and Hiro!

Him and Hiro are comedic perfection, love them!

I haven't completely warmed up to Nathan yet, being that I hated him for pretty much the entire season, but that saving the world stint was definitely a step in the right direction

But I have to agree, Nathan is at his best when he's with Hiro!

I second that. nathan was well funny when he would have to stand there listening to Hiro yell in his face, trying to get him to quieten down. "Flyiing maaaaan"

I thought Nathan's story arc was one of the most interesting. And hey the guy did kind of redeem himself by taking a nuke to the face. Apparently.....

I love it the whole "villian" thing between him and Hiro. I have to agree comedic perfection! I think him being around Hiro could've change him a little bit. He did redeem his character when he flew Peter up. I'm ready for the new season! Ahh excitement!

I used to be the same way toward Nathan... I mean.. he was a dick..really and he dot on my nerves.. but im softening up a bit for him... but .. he still erks me a bit

And i was also wondering.. melissa.. you know Novak? Your avi looks like it was done by her.. just curious

Nathan! The Weak!

i liked just one episode...
the season finale
lol

pfff...
wow.. GREAT ability... to fly...

his flying ability seems different than those of the guy possessed by claire's classmate(forgotten his name)

nah,nathan is not weak...

at least he proves he cared for his bro alot and he gave up his politic career?

I think nathan fly's, he doesnt wind manipulate, but Claire's friend seems to sort of swoop and glide, so maybe HE has wind manipulation.

I like nathan's power, but i don't really like HIM. i think he's got a weird way of doing things. I don't like his style. He's still seriously confusing to me.

Nathan can accelerate upwards and in the air at great speeds, but we never get any hint that he can go so against flat ground. And his type of flight is the really fast kind.
West(?) glides like he's floating- maybe his is more psychic than physical- like he can levitate himself.

nathan is a really cool guy but he's kind of scary. sometimes i wonder why he isn't with the cheerleader and if he knows that peter is alive.

nathan i think is a refrence to most politicans who have to struggle with whats morally right, but in the end he saved his brother from having to live with killing millions of people

i like nathan he gives that serious tone to foil peter over optimism nice little balance they have

yeah I reckon that nathan has got alot more to his story
that we'll see in flashbacks from what happened when the bombe went off
to where season 2 picked up from

ala LOst style flashbacks?

the power of only being is able to fly is another one of the "lame" powers.
I guess you can fly super fast to avoid getting hurt or hurting someone
o well

good question??

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Hmm, well we might see Nathan having an alter ego now. Since he's started seen things in the mirror. Kinda reminds you of Jesicca/Nikki don't you think? Especially after viewing the latest episode where he smashes the mirror when he that reflection... kinda like how Nikki reacted when she saw Jesicca back in Season 1.

Nah I'm thinking he's seeing things because he's being manipulated/controlled.

My opinion on the Nathan burnt face thing...

Nathan flew away with peter when the bomb went off, and both were toasted to varying degrees (peter not so much, he can regenerate.) After the bomb went off, Nathan was still an elected official and wanted to take over his job. The Company also had a vested interest in him being in the job, because although they didn't get their first wish (bomb) they could still have some political sway. So, they offer to fix Nathan up somehow (plastic surgery? Another healer?) And in exchange for this, they want Peter, perhaps under the guise of they will help him or something. So Nathan, still being the greedy jerk he usually is despite momentary lapse of good judgment, decides to make the deal so he can be in power. They take Peter, he goes into office. BUT, once he realizes what hes done, and more so how much it hurt his mom (who is constantly harping on Peters disappearance) he becomes totally guilt ridden, and subsequently a drunken loner. So the burnt face is a reminder of the deal he made that destroyed his mom and eventually himself, the deal to trade Peter for the ability to still be in office. Peter ends up in a crate because they company wants to get him out of the states, and we all know smuggling in shipping crates is th ebest way to do that (or at least, those of us who watched the Wire Season2.)

This is totally in keeping with the constant theme of Nathan being a dick and then redeeming himself.

BAM!

I hope we find out soon why he keeps seeing, "what he is seeing" in the mirror.

We will probably find out when they fill in the gaps of the past 4 months. There will undoubtedly be an episode to fill in the blanks of the past 4 months.

I think that is when we will find out why peter was in the box handcuffed, and why nathan sees his face that way.

nice theory man, that whole scene just ran through my head seemed like it actually happened
interesting aswell
we'll just have to see if sum of this is correct

Well, I love Nathan and don´t like Peter too much.

I think Nathan was one of the most complex characters in S1 and is also interesting in S2.
Say what you want but his and Matt´s storyline is the most intersting for me. And Nathan has definitely changed. It almost looks like they switched places with his brother. Nathan is the one who wants to find the truth and Peter doesn´t care. I hope that all this "irish" line for Peter ends soon and returns to NY.

I think that we will find out what this burnt face means in episode "Four months ago". I guess.

I hoped that I will find some people who like Nathan in hs thread, not hat him.

I am new here, btw.

Welcome I too enjoy Nathan alot and back him up. I agree with what you said. I think the brothers have switched places.....but perhaps once Peter remembers fully....both will want to know the truth.

And last night's episode made me gasp. When Nikki stuck herself with the needle, I thought it was Nathan's arm for a moment.