travis
Sep 22 2008, 08:41 PM
Even Sylar said Claire can't die...yay? hehe

...or does that mean eventually they'll find a way to kill her if they need to later on.
Stockholm Syndrome
Sep 22 2008, 08:56 PM
QUOTE (travis @ Sep 23 2008, 05:41 AM)

Even Sylar said Claire can't die...yay? hehe

...or does that mean eventually they'll find a way to kill her if they need to later on.
I think the writers wanted to clarify that Claire and Adam have exactly the same power. I remember Adam said once something like 'I've lived for I-don't-know-how-many years, how says I'm not gonna live again-don't-know-how-many more?'. If they're inmortal or not, I don't think it's really relevant by now. I'm worried about Claire's thoughts. She thinks she's not even human anymore, like Sylar changed something in her brain when copied her power!
Watch me FLY
Sep 22 2008, 09:13 PM
IDK Claire will probably age but slowly like Adam when his power manifestid. Im still pretty sure like Adam if her head is cut off she'll definatly die
bob113
Sep 22 2008, 10:13 PM
woah
she is turning evil.......................
gonna cut people up and make them feel pain because she can't
thats badass
kayleigh_talitha
Sep 23 2008, 06:30 AM
QUOTE (bob113 @ Sep 22 2008, 11:13 PM)

woah
she is turning evil.......................
gonna cut people up and make them feel pain because she can't
thats badass
Hardly think that will happen. but I think you were joking, or I hope you were. So if Claire and Adam can't die and neither can Sylar because now he has the power too....does that mean Peter can't either? Or maybe it's different for him because he copied it.
Lost_Dom
Sep 23 2008, 06:38 AM
QUOTE (Watch me FLY @ Sep 23 2008, 06:13 AM)

IDK Claire will probably age but slowly like Adam when his power manifestid. Im still pretty sure like Adam if her head is cut off she'll definatly die
Sylar said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to, and he could've easily chopped her head off, so she can probably grow a whole new body.
kayleigh_talitha
Sep 23 2008, 06:50 AM
QUOTE (Lost_Dom @ Sep 23 2008, 06:38 AM)

Sylar said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to, and he could've easily chopped her head off, so she can probably grow a whole new body.
I don't know, in ANgela's dream Claire's head cut off and the rest is dead too so I assume she was dead. Hence chopping off and seperating head from body works. And I just answered my own question lol. Peter was cut open every way and dead, so he's not like Claire and Adam
Skalli
Sep 23 2008, 06:50 AM
QUOTE (Lost_Dom @ Sep 23 2008, 03:38 PM)

Sylar said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to, and he could've easily chopped her head off, so she can probably grow a whole new body.
Well wasn't she dieing anyway from having her head "top bit" cut of till he put it back on? looked that way i guess not. Still wth is up with her cutting peter?and maybe sylar.. she had dark hair so maybe a future scene? or maybe she dyes it after her mum teaches her to fight.
But seriously she needs to improve on the whinny girl character she has been for last 2 seasons, 1st season was passable 2nd it was just plain annoying...
"im just a cheerleader" crap needs to go.
Her wanting to learn to fight looks good, but on the other hand the "i dont feel human anymore" doesnt :< just can't take much more of her whinning/being selfish lol specially after it got hrg killed.
Lost_Dom
Sep 23 2008, 06:54 AM
QUOTE (Skalli @ Sep 23 2008, 03:50 PM)

Well wasn't she dieing anyway from having her head "top bit" cut of till he put it back on? looked that way i guess not. Still wth is up with her cutting peter?and maybe sylar.. she had dark hair so maybe a future scene? or maybe she dyes it after her mum teaches her to fight.
But seriously she needs to improve on the whinny girl character she has been for last 2 seasons, 1st season was passable 2nd it was just plain annoying...
"im just a cheerleader" crap needs to go.
Her wanting to learn to fight looks good, but on the other hand the "i dont feel human anymore" doesnt :< just can't take much more of her whinning/being selfish lol specially after it got hrg killed.
Yeah, I forgot about Angelas dream.
I think Claire was going to cut up "Peter" because she believes he's one of the villains, and just wants to do good. He'll probably say something to prove it is him, and she'll stop. The promos are just making her look evil.
sylarowns
Sep 23 2008, 07:26 AM
I think sylar "fixed" claire
He probably saw that she can always heal but she can still feel pain,
so he fixed that and now she cant feel pain.
But I agree she needs to become a badass, but we probably wont see that any time soon.
Drakan971
Sep 23 2008, 07:41 AM
QUOTE (Lost_Dom @ Sep 23 2008, 07:38 AM)

Sylar said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to, and he could've easily chopped her head off, so she can probably grow a whole new body.
QUOTE (kayleigh_talitha @ Sep 23 2008, 07:50 AM)

I don't know, in ANgela's dream Claire's head cut off and the rest is dead too so I assume she was dead. Hence chopping off and seperating head from body works. And I just answered my own question lol. Peter was cut open every way and dead, so he's not like Claire and Adam
Well, we wont REALLY know if the whole chopping their heads off thing will work until it actually happens. Remember on the last episode of season 2, Angela Petrelli told Matt Parkman "one bullet through the brain" or something like that.. How do we know that wont work? Maybe it has something to do with hitting a certain part of the brain? Maybe like a certain area that controls the power and gives them the ability to use it? All in all, we wont know if the bullet through the brain, or the chopping head off thing will work until it actually happens.
Avellana
Sep 23 2008, 07:44 AM
QUOTE (Lost_Dom @ Sep 23 2008, 07:38 AM)

Sylar said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to, and he could've easily chopped her head off, so she can probably grow a whole new body.
I agree with this. When I saw her head chopped off I just thought that she could grow a new body. Also Syler said she is even more "special" than everyone. So we will learn what this means.
Darth Carp
Sep 23 2008, 07:57 AM
Remember, when describing Adam's power, Angela said that after a healer heals a certain amount of times, they eventually stop aging. I think that this involves losing the sense of pain, too. We've certainly never seen Adam feel pain. When Gabriel sliced Claire's head open, this was the last straw for her body and she got to that point. I reckon she won't age now, either. Gabriel said that she had no nerve endings. I think this is because of him making her body heal that one last time.
hellblazer
Sep 23 2008, 09:12 AM
I think Claire is the link that Kaito mentioned on the DVD about a pure blood or some kind I think Claire is essential is this doomsday arc.
kurtsky
Sep 23 2008, 09:52 AM
So it means sylar helped claire form her ablity to something more
Watch me FLY
Sep 23 2008, 10:13 AM
Why is everyone debating this weve seen in Season 1 that if Claire's brain is seperated from her body she is dead! Remember she died in the morgue. Adam has also told Peter that if hit head is blown off there's no coming back from that one. Peter told Claire to shoot him in the head to stop him from exploding! Angela told Matt to shoot Peter in the back of the head at the end of Season 2. Plus at the begining of Season 3 Claire shoots at the middle of Peters head. Noah also tried to shoot Sylar in the head after he saw that Sylar can now heal, before he was thrown into the air.
What I'm saying is for all intensive purposes Claire can be killed. Now what Sylar is talking about I have no idea nor what future Claire meant about being special. Who knows at this point still waaay to early to speculate. Though until I see something that says definetly otherwise.
Claire - Brain = Dead!
reptar got a power
Sep 23 2008, 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Drakan971 @ Sep 23 2008, 11:41 AM)

Well, we wont REALLY know if the whole chopping their heads off thing will work until it actually happens. Remember on the last episode of season 2, Angela Petrelli told Matt Parkman "one bullet through the brain" or something like that.. How do we know that wont work? Maybe it has something to do with hitting a certain part of the brain? Maybe like a certain area that controls the power and gives them the ability to use it? All in all, we wont know if the bullet through the brain, or the chopping head off thing will work until it actually happens.
Okay, everybody, here goes my input.
Let's take a step back to what Mohinder said about where our abilites come from (not in the sense of biologically speaking).
Adrenaline. In our brain, we have receptors, and when our adrenaline is boosted, these receptors, found in the brain, get released and attach to cells in our blood and flow through our body. Using this little biology lesson, we can conclude, a little difficultly, that once Claire doesn't have a brain, or a head for that matter, the adrenaline receptors can't go to her blood in the rest of her body, making it impossible to heal.
If anyone found that difficult to understand, I apologize. That's the best I can explain it.
SleepingPhoenix
Sep 23 2008, 12:42 PM
As for living forever (like Adam), i'll put this the same way i did in the season 2 forum:
A normal human's cells go thru division every second of every day. However, cells can only divide a certain amount of times. When they stop dividing, whatever organ it was shuts down. we call it "dying of natural causes." With Cellular Regeneration, Claire and Adam have no limit to the number of times their cells divide. You mature fully by age 30, so thats they age you would be stuck at forever...so long as you got a brain =)
Sylar had just cut off the top of her head, but hadn't harmed "that part" of the brain. I'm sure, given time, she would have regrown her forehead. What Sylar did was just lend her body a helping hand.
As for Claire being "ultra-special" ....yeah, got no clue on that one.
Abolyss
Sep 23 2008, 02:06 PM
OK. heres my shot at it. and i like to think this is right
so here goes.
everybody is saying that the rule of "no head = no power" is sticking to claires new found uniqueness.
but.
i think it only goes so far. like sylar said no matter how bad he wants to he cant kill her. she was basically dead
as he was leaving but then he placed the top of her head back on and she came back to life.
no back to that little dream angela had which shows knox chopping poor claires head off. but if you notice he
moves her body across the room. what im thinking is that some of that rule still applies but only to the point of
"as long as its seperated shes dead but if its returned shes alive"
just like she died when the branch was in her head and came back to life when it was removed.
just like when sylar cut the top of her head off she died. but when it was returned she was alive.
and just like knox moves her body away from her head so that theres no chance of her head reconecting to the rest
of her body and subsequently her returning to life.
so to put it like this. sylar was right she cant die. so long as she has a little friend to put her back together.
you might ask why then did sylar bring her back to life than leave her dead and out of the way.
well to be fair her mother came home shortly afterward and would have probably thought of covering her haid with
what was cut off.
either way he knew she was coming back.
so can claire die? YES
can she stay dead? that all depends on if someone wants her to come back to life.
kind of a long post. but im fresh off watching the episode and hyped up with all the little theories.
hope you like mine......
SleepingPhoenix
Sep 23 2008, 04:03 PM
Abolyss, thats an interesting theory. You kinda make her sound like Humpty Dumpty, but one that can actually be put back together =PP
Hisuka
Sep 23 2008, 04:28 PM
one thing about wat abolyss just said, she wasnt dead wen sylar cut her head off. just like ray liotta in hannibal, cannibal ate a piece of his brain and he was still alive.

anyways i dont think sylar fixed anything with claire. she might go bad not because sylar did something to her brain but because of the trauma of what happened.
claireandpeterfan1
Sep 23 2008, 04:31 PM
claire can't die because she was wanting to feel something like she getting hit by a train but she didn't because peter flew in to save her from the stunt #7 which is getting hit by a train.
Drakan971
Sep 23 2008, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (Abolyss @ Sep 23 2008, 03:06 PM)

so can claire die? YES
can she stay dead? that all depends on if someone wants her to come back to life.
kind of a long post. but im fresh off watching the episode and hyped up with all the little theories.
hope you like mine......

And what if her head is blown into pieces, from something such as a shot gun close range?
Silv
Sep 23 2008, 05:23 PM
I don't get why everyone believes that blowing their heads off will work- it seems to me they can eventually regrow anything, through it takes time to do it.
How exactly could anyone KNOW blowing Adam's head off would kill him? They'd have to have done it to be sure, and clearly they haven't. There might have been someone with similar powers, but it's doubtful they'd be as fully developed as Adam's or Claire's... I think as long as anything remains, it's possible for them to rebuild, but the more complicated it is, the longer it takes.
kayleigh_talitha
Sep 24 2008, 05:32 AM
QUOTE (Abolyss @ Sep 23 2008, 03:06 PM)

OK. heres my shot at it. and i like to think this is right
so here goes.
everybody is saying that the rule of "no head = no power" is sticking to claires new found uniqueness.
but.
i think it only goes so far. like sylar said no matter how bad he wants to he cant kill her. she was basically dead
as he was leaving but then he placed the top of her head back on and she came back to life.
no back to that little dream angela had which shows knox chopping poor claires head off. but if you notice he
moves her body across the room. what im thinking is that some of that rule still applies but only to the point of
"as long as its seperated shes dead but if its returned shes alive"
just like she died when the branch was in her head and came back to life when it was removed.
just like when sylar cut the top of her head off she died. but when it was returned she was alive.
and just like knox moves her body away from her head so that theres no chance of her head reconecting to the rest
of her body and subsequently her returning to life.
so to put it like this. sylar was right she cant die. so long as she has a little friend to put her back together.
you might ask why then did sylar bring her back to life than leave her dead and out of the way.
well to be fair her mother came home shortly afterward and would have probably thought of covering her haid with
what was cut off.
either way he knew she was coming back.
so can claire die? YES
can she stay dead? that all depends on if someone wants her to come back to life.
kind of a long post. but im fresh off watching the episode and hyped up with all the little theories.
hope you like mine......

I like this theory, it's a very plausible one, that would explain why Knox was dragging Claire's body away from her head in Angela's dream. Guess Claire's our own special Heroes Humpty Dumpty, I just hope that theory wont get tested in the show, it's kinda gross
claireandpeterfan1
Sep 24 2008, 01:29 PM
i think peter is the one who always saves claire like she saves him.
BigDamnHeroes
Sep 24 2008, 10:23 PM
Quick thought about the open skull scene-
Claire asked Sylar why she didn't feel anything as he was tinkering with her brain.
The BRAIN itself has no nerve endings, I believe that is what Sylar was referring to.
Maybe she was a clock with an off-tick

and he gave her a slight adjustment.
Now her power is greater since any injury won't hurt and be a distraction?
Creepy uncle.
grady_4546
Sep 24 2008, 10:47 PM
i was thinking today, what if claire was diced up into little pieces and melted in acid or something? hehe. i think she would heal, but it would take ages for all her cells to re-connect
Vincitrice
Sep 25 2008, 12:35 AM
I donīt know if it was mentioned before (Iīm at work and canīt read the whole thread) when I remember right, Angela (maybe someelse?) said that Adam can die. But only if you shoot him directly in his head. So maybe Claire can die this way, too?
RaaR
Sep 25 2008, 11:04 AM
QUOTE (Abolyss @ Sep 24 2008, 12:06 AM)

OK. heres my shot at it. and i like to think this is right
so here goes.
everybody is saying that the rule of "no head = no power" is sticking to claires new found uniqueness.
but.
i think it only goes so far. like sylar said no matter how bad he wants to he cant kill her. she was basically dead
as he was leaving but then he placed the top of her head back on and she came back to life.
no back to that little dream angela had which shows knox chopping poor claires head off. but if you notice he
moves her body across the room. what im thinking is that some of that rule still applies but only to the point of
"as long as its seperated shes dead but if its returned shes alive"
just like she died when the branch was in her head and came back to life when it was removed.
just like when sylar cut the top of her head off she died. but when it was returned she was alive.
and just like knox moves her body away from her head so that theres no chance of her head reconecting to the rest
of her body and subsequently her returning to life.
so to put it like this. sylar was right she cant die. so long as she has a little friend to put her back together.
you might ask why then did sylar bring her back to life than leave her dead and out of the way.
well to be fair her mother came home shortly afterward and would have probably thought of covering her haid with
what was cut off.
either way he knew she was coming back.
so can claire die? YES
can she stay dead? that all depends on if someone wants her to come back to life.
kind of a long post. but im fresh off watching the episode and hyped up with all the little theories.
hope you like mine......

haha, i like it ;D
Avellana
Sep 25 2008, 11:37 AM
What if she was thrown in a volcano??? lol.
claireandpeterfan1
Sep 25 2008, 12:51 PM
i think peter is going to teach claire how to learn her powers
Drakan971
Sep 25 2008, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (claireandpeterfan1 @ Sep 25 2008, 01:51 PM)

i think peter is going to teach claire how to learn her powers

It doesn't really seem like there is anything to learn if you ask me..
chimps_n_pimps
Sep 25 2008, 04:05 PM
a bit of topic, but what if claire was cut in half, veritcally, so that she was devided equally.
would both sides regrow the missing piece, and then would we end up with two claires?
it seems logical to me, what do you guys think?
Drakan971
Sep 25 2008, 04:17 PM
QUOTE (chimps_n_pimps @ Sep 25 2008, 05:05 PM)

a bit of topic, but what if claire was cut in half, veritcally, so that she was devided equally.
would both sides regrow the missing piece, and then would we end up with two claires?
it seems logical to me, what do you guys think?
Hmm... That's an interesting one... If the two halves were not separated they would just attach back together.. but if they were separated... I think that she would just be dead until she was re-attached.. because the brain is damaged, when the twig was stuck in her brain, she died, until it was taken out, when the glass was in Peter's head, he was dead until it was taken out.. So yeah.. that's my opinion.
grady_4546
Sep 25 2008, 06:07 PM
QUOTE (chimps_n_pimps @ Sep 26 2008, 10:05 AM)

a bit of topic, but what if claire was cut in half, vertically, so that she was divided equally.
would both sides regrow the missing piece, and then would we end up with two claires?
it seems logical to me, what do you guys think?
i think major body organs, like the top of her her, or her entire arm, or her two equally divided vertically body parts, wouldnt grow back. they need to be put back together by herself or another person in order for her to heal. smaller body parts, like her toe (remember she cut that off once), just grow back by themself
JPW
Sep 25 2008, 06:37 PM
I couldn't wait for Sylar to get Claire's power but I thought it was a bold move if they ended up killing her.
So here staying around is right for now I guess.
It's looked liked Sylar changed something when he stole her power but maybe it was for his own gain too. He found a way not to feel pain and didn't realise that he took the pain away from Claire too. OR maybe he found out more than he knew by reading claire's brain.
Claire is related to the peterelli's. He probably thought it be best to spare her because he can never defeat Peter. So it probably be best not to get him angry anymore.
I almost thought Sylar stole her power instead. It made me wonder why he killed all the others. Maybe the fear of them telling people. Or the fear of them coming to fight back.
neddac
Sep 25 2008, 11:04 PM
QUOTE (JPW @ Sep 26 2008, 03:37 AM)

I couldn't wait for Sylar to get Claire's power but I thought it was a bold move if they ended up killing her.
So here staying around is right for now I guess.
It's looked liked Sylar changed something when he stole her power but maybe it was for his own gain too. He found a way not to feel pain and didn't realise that he took the pain away from Claire too. OR maybe he found out more than he knew by reading claire's brain.
Claire is related to the peterelli's. He probably thought it be best to spare her because he can never defeat Peter. So it probably be best not to get him angry anymore.
I almost thought Sylar stole her power instead. It made me wonder why he killed all the others. Maybe the fear of them telling people. Or the fear of them coming to fight back.
Sylar has never known that Claire was a Petrelli.
He killed the others because they had a weird aversion to having parts of their skull removed.
Auxii
Sep 25 2008, 11:38 PM
QUOTE (claireandpeterfan1 @ Sep 25 2008, 09:29 AM)

i think peter is the one who always saves claire like she saves him.

Lol, I think we get the point that you want Peter and Claire to do stuff together..
Anyway.. I'm guessing she can die.
I mean, don't know how as of yet.
But everyone has a weakspot one way or another.
pointjustice
Sep 26 2008, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (Auxii @ Sep 25 2008, 11:38 PM)

Lol, I think we get the point that you want Peter and Claire to do stuff together..
Anyway.. I'm guessing she can die.
I mean, don't know how as of yet.
But everyone has a weakspot one way or another.
her weakspot probably will be the producers..haha.
yes a lame joke by me.
I think Peter in comparison to Sylar is far more powerful, i wonder tho..if sylar read peter's brain, would that mean he doesn't need to crack skulls to gain new powers or would he just do it for the pleasure because that would add a newer dimension to his character...i think.
ulus666
Sep 26 2008, 12:32 AM
If Claire can grow back any part of her body and heal from anything, i wonder what her "speciality" is from the others. Im thinking because healing is her main power, and being the "host" of the healing power other then adam i think that in the future she might learn to control how she wants her body to react, like what her hair colour will be, hot long and fast will her nail can grow, how tall or small she wants to be, or even having the power to munipilate other peoples cells in order to make her self look like someone else!!!so yeh i think that when Sylar mentioned that she was "special", i guess he ment more then healing or not feelng pain...
Abolyss
Sep 26 2008, 10:18 AM
Cool, people liked my theory. Anyhow here comes a new one.
I'm putting this out there cause of the person who asked what would happen if she was blended.
It fits into my original theory pretty well too so maybe it would work.
Anyway I was watching a general knowledge show the other day and they were talking about sea sponges.
If you put one into a blender and pour out the contents the separate molecules will find one another and rejoin.
They even said if you mixed loads of them they would separate back into their original forms.
I'm pretty sure they said the same about if you cut it in half it will try to rejoin itself as long
as the pieces are close.
So she may be the Humpty Dumpty of heroes. But it seems she could also be a sea sponge.
Kind of a far strung theory but it would answer the whole blender theory
Let me know what you think.
Vikingisme
Sep 27 2008, 05:47 AM
So if Tracy comes and freezes her and breaks her into a million pieces, all those pieces would find one another and rejoin? Cool.

What if some pieces fall into the drain and get lost or something?
Abolyss
Sep 27 2008, 05:54 AM
QUOTE (Vikingisme @ Sep 27 2008, 02:47 PM)

So if Tracy comes and freezes her and breaks her into a million pieces, all those pieces would find one another and rejoin? Cool.

What if some pieces fall into the drain and get lost or something?

Its just a theory but that would certainly be pretty cool to see.
Vikingisme
Sep 27 2008, 06:02 AM
Its a good theory.

Adam dies if he gets shot in the head but Claire can never die. So their powers are different?
One thing I never understood is how Adam knows the fact that he dies if he gets shot in the head? He obviously has never tried it, unless he has seen it happen to someone else with the same ability?
Abolyss
Sep 27 2008, 06:19 AM
Hmm, I would think that something like that has happened before because otherwise how
would everyone in the company know that's how you kill people like him.
I would think that in his 400 years of living he has come across somebody else with his powers who
he has subsequently killed. Then he either told the people in the company or accidentally showed them
when they faced another person like that.
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Sep 27 2008, 06:34 AM
Okay firstly skin ain't metal, if you diced her up. She wouldn't T1000 herself back together. Claire has currently only had to regenerate on a small scale, and it is unclear how far he regrowing of body parts extends too.
Vikingisme
Sep 27 2008, 06:42 AM
If the company knew, why is it that no one ever thought that Claire would be subjected to the same restrictions? Why is it as if they always knew that Claire was indestructible? Based on Adam, they should logically assume otherwise.
Abolyss
Sep 27 2008, 06:45 AM
QUOTE (GIBBY @ Sep 27 2008, 03:34 PM)

Okay firstly skin ain't metal, if you diced her up. She wouldn't T1000 herself back together. Claire has currently only had to regenerate on a small scale, and it is unclear how far he regrowing of body parts extends too.
I'm guessing your talking about that Terminator.
Well you could say that sponge isn't metal but it Does do what that terminator did and its real.
so anything is plausible in a fantasy world.
but we both have our theories. We can only wait and see

Personally I dont know what I would think of the whole crumble into ice and meld back together thing.
I think I would be pretty dissapointed by it. I think it should only go as far as what I first thought.
With the whole Humpty Dumpty Theory. That would be good enough for me.
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Sep 27 2008, 06:52 AM
But the metal was liquid due to melting. How is the skin going to possibly merge back together considering it would be all over the place. She would simply regrow missing body parts,... the only question on Claire has to be what happens when the head is detached.
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