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travis
I guess we'll find out more about this whole Sylar being part of the Petrelli family soon...but how...
Cloud43
I don't think he's Arthur's son though. It had to be the result of an affair or something...
Or maybe Sylar (Gabriel) was part of the petrelli life, with Arthur being his father, and even knew it but for some reason he had to be sent away to another family, here comes the Hatian, to wipe out his memory of the Petrelli family and his ties to it-this would also include Peter and Nathan's memory of 'brother gabriel.' lol...
Misunderstood
I did not see this coming at all.....nice twist though. I'd say he's the middle child.
Hero2012
I don't really like this twist to be honest...
Bat
Momma Petrelli gets around!

If you look closely, the entire story is pretty much revealing how all of these Heroes we are used to seeing during the last 3 seasons are all connected somehow. Either Brothers, Sisters, Husbands, Wives, Cousins, etc... I somehow believe that "in the end", if there will ever be an end, they are all... family?

Who knows, all I know for certain is this season will not disappoint!
Hero2012
^yea just like the illuminati... the royal bloodline... like angelina jolie is related to Obama and dick cheney and all that stuff... all this sh!t u see in heroes is real.
earth
the activating evolution site states that sylar has a brother 'micheal gray', It says, he is supposed to possess the power of Electrokinesis, and has such a control over his power that he can control the electrical impulses emitted by the brain.
Sorta ties in with sylar and his brain facinastion as well
son of angela as well??
haha this is intense

Darth Carp
QUOTE (earth @ Sep 23 2008, 11:46 AM) *
the activating evolution site states that sylar has a brother 'micheal gray', It says, he is supposed to possess the power of Electrokinesis, and has such a control over his power that he can control the electrical impulses emitted by the brain.
Sorta ties in with sylar and his brain facinastion as well
son of angela as well??
haha this is intense

Yes! Ever since Elle was introduced, I've always speculated that there might be someone who can control the electrical impulses of the brain. Carp-1 HEROES-0.
Drakan971
I just can't see Sylar as a Petrelli.. Does anyone think its a possibility that it isn't true?
Darth Carp
QUOTE (Drakan971 @ Sep 23 2008, 05:09 PM) *
I just can't see Sylar as a Petrelli.. Does anyone think its a possibility that it isn't true?

No, not at all. Well, unless Peter is actually a Gray. tongue.gif
Al3xTrUnKs
QUOTE (Uchiha Carp @ Sep 23 2008, 12:26 PM) *
No, not at all. Well, unless Peter is actually a Gray. tongue.gif


Maybe Peter and Sylar are twins and that's why their powers are so similar... who knows? lol
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (Uchiha Carp @ Sep 23 2008, 05:26 PM) *
No, not at all. Well, unless Peter is actually a Gray. tongue.gif


Or Angela was previously a Gray. laugh.gif
Raekon
I SO hated this you can't even imagine how! The worst thing they could ever come up with only to give sylar longelivity. dry.gif
I really hoped that she just lying to him but from what it seems after I read about the preview in which she is let him kill Bridget Bailey for her ability only so he can see she is telling the truth about being his mother, its obviously true and the went that way. -.-
Craptastic!
dave6074
i always thought this was going to happen.. but boy was i still shocked lol
its insane !!
i love how season 3 just gets on with it and keeps u even more glued to the screen for more !!
Supergirl
Yeah this was a shock, I guess more to be revealed soon. I didn't like it though, like everyone is related now...everyone who hooks up better be careful, someone might be related lol
wooooosh
i love it! waited for this turn for all season2!
but when she actually said it i was like all impressed that it happend.

and i came to think about two things:
1. kaito saying to angela in season1: what did you do to help your son?
2. angela answering to the question if she was sleeping with kaito: not for a long time.

what do you think?
Uker
The only downside to this is that peter has to be evil.....if sylar turns good ( which looks that way based on the partnership with noah).

peter and sylar being good would just be stupid because neither of them can be stopped (atleast...basically). Show had such balance before, and they balanced each other out in their respective ways.

Then again having them brothers would make sense why their powers are so related.
Ando
QUOTE (wooooosh @ Sep 24 2008, 10:24 PM) *
i love it! waited for this turn for all season2!
but when she actually said it i was like all impressed that it happend.

and i came to think about two things:
1. kaito saying to angela in season1: what did you do to help your son?
2. angela answering to the question if she was sleeping with kaito: not for a long time.

what do you think?

The spoiler said there was going to be 2 new petrelli's. So Sylar's one who's the other? we don't know much about anyone's parents do we? Maybe... Ando? Matt? Elle?
Uker
QUOTE (Ando @ Sep 24 2008, 05:40 PM) *
The spoiler said there was going to be 2 new petrelli's. So Sylar's one who's the other? we don't know much about anyone's parents do we? Maybe... Ando? Matt? Elle?



Well, it could be ando (kaito and angela's affair)....matt is obviously muarys son (powers..) and elle killed her parents i thought? I remember her saying she was given to the company because she couldnt be controlled or something along those lines.
MrJP
To get back to Sylar being a Petrelli. There always have been rumour going around that Angela had to power to persuade people by touching them, as at least to times she persuaded people while she was touching them strangely in the series. Sure we saw her power was seeing into the future, but that may be just one of her powers.

If that is true, she might just be persuading Sylar she is her mother. It would also make her words about being "inspirational" really fitting.

I hadn't heard of the 2 other Petrelli's being revealed, that does make it more likely Sylar is a Petrelli... or at least related to Angela.
Umpa
QUOTE (Ando @ Sep 24 2008, 02:40 PM) *
The spoiler said there was going to be 2 new petrelli's. So Sylar's one who's the other? we don't know much about anyone's parents do we? Maybe... Ando? Matt? Elle?


if your going to show a spoiler.....please put a spoiler item....i didnt want to know that...but now that i do, i would probably guess Arthur Patrelli....their dad
`Adam
From what I've heard through the grape vine, the second new Petrelli is Sylar's child.

Also someone said above that they thought Elle killed her parents. Bob is Elle's father and we don't know about her mum - or at least I don't. The lack of control is addressing when she burnt her grandmothers house down and caused a huge blackout.

Getting onto the subject at hand I don't like the story. Not only is it predictable, but it's not really creative. However I have faith in the writers of Heros and I'm sure they have some pretty cool plans for the future.

I think Peter and Sylar are twins, again because of the power similarities. I'm not certain or really strongly believe in this idea but it's an idea at least. I want to know why they gave Sylar up, I doubt they knew what his power is, or even if they did know his powers it doesn't scream serial killer. Was his madness foreseen?
Uker
QUOTE (`Adam @ Sep 24 2008, 08:04 PM) *
From what I've heard through the grape vine, the second new Petrelli is Sylar's child.

Also someone said above that they thought Elle killed her parents. Bob is Elle's father and we don't know about her mum - or at least I don't. The lack of control is addressing when she burnt her grandmothers house down and caused a huge blackout.

that was me and I thought Bob was the "father figure" or adoptive father as you may say..but alright smile.gif smile.gif
`Adam
QUOTE (Uker @ Sep 25 2008, 01:29 AM) *
that was me and I thought Bob was the "father figure" or adoptive father as you may say..but alright smile.gif smile.gif


Oh right; well yeah I don't think so, but I'm normally wrong. wink.gif
Auxii
QUOTE (`Adam @ Sep 25 2008, 12:04 PM) *
From what I've heard through the grape vine, the second new Petrelli is Sylar's child.

Also someone said above that they thought Elle killed her parents. Bob is Elle's father and we don't know about her mum - or at least I don't. The lack of control is addressing when she burnt her grandmothers house down and caused a huge blackout.

Getting onto the subject at hand I don't like the story. Not only is it predictable, but it's not really creative. However I have faith in the writers of Heros and I'm sure they have some pretty cool plans for the future.

I think Peter and Sylar are twins, again because of the power similarities. I'm not certain or really strongly believe in this idea but it's an idea at least. I want to know why they gave Sylar up, I doubt they knew what his power is, or even if they did know his powers it doesn't scream serial killer. Was his madness foreseen?


I could go with that theory.
Maybe because they -somehow- knew Sylar was going to have a "useless" power they gave him up.
The Petrelli's always struck me as power-hungry and if Sylar couldn't contribute to Linderman's/Angela's plan, then there's no need for him?
That is.. Until he turned down the road and became what he is.
Silentsoto
Maybe Sylar and Peter were exchanged at birth?


I know this probably belongs under theories, but hear me out: The original Heroes fought Mr. Gray ( Sylar's , as of yet unseen father ) to a standstill, maybe an exchange was made as a show of good faith and to stop the war they had going on.

Or........

Maybe they took in peter after killing Gray? And since Angela can see the future she could see what Gabriel would become if he stayed with them so they gave him up, but as it turns out you can't outrun your destiny.

Anybody? lol
earth
he was probably given up as an infant and had his memories erased by the haitian
kurtsky
If so, then the woman "supposedly his mother" that he killed was just his stepmother or something..?
Auxii
QUOTE
he was probably given up as an infant and had his memories erased by the haitian


But why? wink.gif
peter88
Shocking... Or could it be that she is just lying? But I think it would be a fantastic twist in the plot if sylar really is a petrelli. Cant wait for the next episode...
earth
QUOTE (Auxii @ Sep 25 2008, 04:06 PM) *
But why? wink.gif

maybe angela dreamt the future and saw what he would become?
Or maybe sending gabriel away was all apart of angela's plan to begin with, i mean the company wasnt that interested in capturing sylar in season 1,even tho HRG and eden caught him, maybe she wants him out there for a reason?
kurtsky
Maybe a mother in the sense that Angela just wanted Sylar to be on her side.
Like so he would join the company.
Mr Ben
Maybe the company wanted to create a balance between the good (Peter) and the evil (Sylar) with people with abilities that just cancel each other out and cannot be defeated by one another. It has seemed strange to me that the company havn't killed Sylar when they've captured him/had the chance.

Orders are coming from somewhere to keep him alive.
`Adam
I just noticed most are assuming (including me) that Sylar was given up at birth. With the power of the Haitian and Maury and who knows what other powers, they could have given him up at any age... Going with this idea I just think Peter and Sylar together caused to much of a threat. I reckon Angela knew this.

The problem of having a person with the ability to cause others to lose their memories is that next week Angela could turn around and say the boys found their powers and the age of 5, nearly killed everyone and then their memory got wiped. Too much information may be withheld making any possible theory incorrect.

EDIT: I just though - When Noah goes to find the 8 paintings in season 2, he questions that guy about where they are kept. The guy asks how the Haitian would help him do this and Noah responded "My friend has learnt a new trick" or something like that. This means the Haitian did not have had the power to erase memories x many years ago, only the ability to suppress powers. This means memory loss is out of the question and from what he know only illusions could create Sylars' past.
Admiralkirk
I participate in NBC viewer polls, and a poll this week was about Heroes. One of the questions was in regard to suprises from the season premiere, and ranking them on a scale of 1-5. Here's the exact text of what it said relative to this topic:

"Finding out Sylar is the half brother of Peter and Nathan is intriguing."

Ando
QUOTE (`Adam @ Sep 25 2008, 07:53 PM) *
I just noticed most are assuming (including me) that Sylar was given up at birth. With the power of the Haitian and Maury and who knows what other powers, they could have given him up at any age... Going with this idea I just think Peter and Sylar together caused to much of a threat. I reckon Angela knew this.

The problem of having a person with the ability to cause others to lose their memories is that next week Angela could turn around and say the boys found their powers and the age of 5, nearly killed everyone and then their memory got wiped. Too much information may be withheld making any possible theory incorrect.

EDIT: I just though - When Noah goes to find the 8 paintings in season 2, he questions that guy about where they are kept. The guy asks how the Haitian would help him do this and Noah responded "My friend has learnt a new trick" or something like that. This means the Haitian did not have had the power to erase memories x many years ago, only the ability to suppress powers. This means memory loss is out of the question and from what he know only illusions could create Sylars' past.

I though it meant he could retrieve memory's. When the haitian was introduced thompson said he drew a picture of pulling worms out of a head. He must have learned power negation later on.

Has any one thought of simple Adoption?
chimps_n_pimps
someone above mentioned that angela wanted sylar out there and away from her as part of a plan.

i thought the same thing.
she has shown she was willing to sacrifice a son for the greater good before.

what if she knew that giving sylar away would cause an evil threat suficient to bring together certain heroes in certain factions?

also i am expecting that we find out about the past from the point of hiro. i garentee that he will be going back to see the older gen.....
JPW
maybe it'sa trick in order to control Sylar. Cause Angela knows how dangerous he actually is. So pretending to be his mother could be something to make him come to her side.

However I want to believe he is a brother. And looking back at Season 1... When Sylar goes back home.... I remember his mother saying "You are not my son" "Where is my Gabriel?" Is it possible Is it possible that future peter(from a different reality where Sylar was their brother living with them) went back in time and swapped Sylar(when he was part of the family) into another body-Gabriel Grey.

And Future Peter did it in order to change such a reality.
That's going too deep though.

Maybe Sylar's was always his father's son and not his mother's son.

Then again here's a deep twist for you who is Sylar's dad? Could it be...... ADAM?
How freaky would that be. Couldn't be far from the truth actually.




spareribs
At first, I thought Angela was just using her power of persuasion, just like she did when she talked to Nathan's wife in the hospital (last season, I think). But the half-brother thing is getting more and more plausible as I think about it. Sylar wanted special, non-ordinary parents, well he now has them.
earth
he does bear a pretty uncanny family resemblence when u look at the family togethor
Peterfangirl20
I have to agree with some of the others in thinking Peter and Syler were twins it would explaine a lot for sure.
LadyMorpheous
QUOTE (Al3xTrUnKs @ Sep 23 2008, 12:44 PM) *
Maybe Peter and Sylar are twins and that's why their powers are so similar... who knows? lol

Thats what I said!. Thats a good theory though. One twin can absorbe powers easily, the other has to work harder at it lol. And if you look at the family simularities Sylar and Nathan do look like each other... that same square head and thoes eyebrows...
chantal
QUOTE (kurtsky @ Sep 25 2008, 02:16 AM) *
Maybe a mother in the sense that Angela just wanted Sylar to be on her side.
Like so he would join the company.




yea she might only say shes his mother so he would stop killing for a period of time and catch de 12 villains that escaped and then let he take 2 or powers from them and lock he away. I have another theory what if Sylar was Linderman's and Angela's son and not Arthur it could be a reason she gave him up.
DiZ
you know what would make this show a bit better? Getting rid of the time travel aspect to it. so many problems would be answered properly. Im still completely confused about who is from where, and what the hell is going on/has gone on in the past, present and future, so should get rid of time travel thingy
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