scouse_god
Sep 24 2008, 12:34 AM
I think i have only 1 problem with heroes, the charachters who can time travel.
Anything can be sorted out with time travel, Peter sees his brother get shot so why doesnt he travel back in time to 2 minutes before the shooting and see who shot him?
Hero gets the piece of paper robbed off him, why not time travel back in time to just before she takes it and stop her taking it
Obviously these are just easy ways out of it an i know it would make the season boring if they did all these things so im glad they dont, just seems that if you have charachters who can travel to any time in the world it makes it to easy to stop things happening
jimmy_black
Sep 24 2008, 12:51 AM
kind of obvious why peter doesnt try to find out who shot nathan (if you watch the first ep of season 3 (or the last 5 mins of season 2....))
hero said in one of the eps that he wont travel back in time again, to many things can/ have gone wrong (something like that)
kk_ghost
Sep 24 2008, 12:53 AM
It seems to me p/Peter still cannot properly handle the time travel ability.
Hiro states he will never go back to the past to avoid any complications, but if even he did to prevent the formula to be stolen there would be anyway a future-line in which the speedster got it.
As for his father's murder (after coming back to the present day) he just uses his power to see what happened.
Hero2012
Sep 24 2008, 01:02 AM
^^ please, in the beginning of the scene where Hiro was bored he was just randomly rewinding time back & forth...even 30 min back and forth.... so he couldav easily rewind time 2 min before speedy took the formula...
Or even rewind time before he opened the safe, like 5 min? so he just had to rewind 5 min and never open the safe.
I was thinking of this too... scouse god is right.
Also, did u notice when Hiro was bored and playing with time back & forth? Did u notice when he made the clock go like 30 min forward, why didnt we see ando come in? I mean, when Hiro then rewinded back to present time, suddenly Ando walks in, I mean, If hiro moved time forward why didnt we see Ando come in??
kk_ghost
Sep 24 2008, 01:10 AM
QUOTE (Hero2012 @ Sep 24 2008, 02:02 AM)

^^ please, in the beginning of the scene where Hiro was bored he was just randomly rewinding time back & forth...even 30 min back and forth.... so he couldav easily rewind time 2 min before speedy took the formula...
Or even rewind time before he opened the safe, like 5 min? so he just had to rewind 5 min and never open the safe.
I was thinking of this too... scouse god is right.
How comes when he 'travels' 30 min. forward nothing of what follows happens?
I mean Ando knocks at the door and comes in as soon as the bored Hiro stops playing with time..
Just a funny scene I guess.
EDIT: Lol we have had the very same thought!
Hero2012
Sep 24 2008, 01:15 AM
maybe hiro's real ability is to be able to move the pointers of a clock.
scouse_god
Sep 24 2008, 01:34 AM
Surely peter from the future could of gone back to 10 minutes before nathan gives his little talk about all their powers and told him what will happen if he does it
Obviously this wouldnt make the show as exciting as it it!
But think thats the problem with havin at least 2 people who can travel through time, there is always an easy option to go back in time to stop something happening
kk_ghost
Sep 24 2008, 02:09 AM
QUOTE (scouse_god @ Sep 24 2008, 02:34 AM)

Surely peter from the future could of gone back to 10 minutes before nathan gives his little talk about all their powers and told him what will happen if he does it
He also could have shot not to kill, but just to stop the public speech, but maybe he was in the need to prevent the "outing" in a definite way.
We don't know how the history will develop after Nathan makes his revelations and we don't know why the Claire from the future, in the very first scene, is hostile to Peter and wants to kill him..
Drakan971
Sep 24 2008, 02:23 AM
Hiro couldn't have possibly went back in time 5 or 10 minutes before he opened the safe. First of all, if he did, and Past-Hiro saw himself.. it would just be crazy, even though he would understand it, it still wouldn't make sense and Hiro would probably be even more curious as to what was in the safe. Second of all, who knows what would happen if he saw himself in the past? It could possibly cause a rift like Hiro always says.. Even though the Present-Hiro visited Future-Hiro in Season 1, we have never seen a Future-Someone visit a Past-Someone knowing who they are and communicating with them.. think how it could affect the future, even if they went back only 5 or 10 minutes...
neddac
Sep 24 2008, 02:27 AM
QUOTE (kk_ghost @ Sep 24 2008, 11:09 AM)

He also could have shot not to kill, but just to stop the public speech, but maybe he was in the need to prevent the "outing" in a definite way.
We don't know how the history will develop after Nathan makes his revelations and we don't know why the Claire from the future, in the very first scene, is hostile to Peter and wants to kill him..
I think that Nathan became a Villain in the future that F.Pete is from. He was very worried looking in the hospital afterwards. And he mentioned that now that Nathan hasn't spilled the beans "He can become the guy tat he always used to look up to again."
I also think that now the future has changed it will be Pete that becomes the villain.
Hisuka
Sep 24 2008, 03:07 AM
QUOTE (Drakan971 @ Sep 24 2008, 10:23 PM)

Hiro couldn't have possibly went back in time 5 or 10 minutes before he opened the safe. First of all, if he did, and Past-Hiro saw himself.. it would just be crazy, even though he would understand it, it still wouldn't make sense and Hiro would probably be even more curious as to what was in the safe. Second of all, who knows what would happen if he saw himself in the past? It could possibly cause a rift like Hiro always says.. Even though the Present-Hiro visited Future-Hiro in Season 1, we have never seen a Future-Someone visit a Past-Someone knowing who they are and communicating with them.. think how it could affect the future, even if they went back only 5 or 10 minutes...
How bout f-peter and p-peter in the toilets? p-peter cudnt have possibly missed f-peter...
Drakan971
Sep 24 2008, 03:24 AM
QUOTE (Hisuka @ Sep 24 2008, 04:07 AM)

How bout f-peter and p-peter in the toilets? p-peter cudnt have possibly missed f-peter...
Unless Future-Peter teleported out of there, but I think Future-Peter either took Present-Peter somewhere where he switched his body with Jessy Murphy, or he took over his body and is posing as Present-Peter, INSIDE his body...
My Name is Sylar!
Sep 24 2008, 06:54 AM
QUOTE (Hisuka @ Sep 24 2008, 12:07 PM)

How bout f-peter and p-peter in the toilets? p-peter cudnt have possibly missed f-peter...
If you noticed in the second episode coming toward the end, P-Peter calls Nathan to tell him to look out for a guy that looks like him with a scar 'I think its me from the futu....' then Knox I think cuts the phone so I think P-Peter saw F-Peter wether they interacted is beyond me although F-Peter seems untouchable and who knows just how many abilities he's picked up or what he can do.
Hisuka
Sep 25 2008, 06:26 AM
wat i meant was as a reply to drakan about "we have never seen a Future-Someone visit a Past-Someone knowing who they are and communicating with them.. think how it could affect the future, even if they went back only 5 or 10 minutes..."
we didnt "actually" saw f-peter with p-peter together but if wat f-peter did to teleport matt was the same as wat he did to p-peter, then they touched and interacted. and the call p-peter made at the end of episode 2 verified it that he saw hes future self. so im guessing no rift or anything will happen wen a future self visit hes past self...
neddac
Sep 25 2008, 07:07 AM
QUOTE (Hisuka @ Sep 25 2008, 03:26 PM)

wat i meant was as a reply to drakan about "we have never seen a Future-Someone visit a Past-Someone knowing who they are and communicating with them.. think how it could affect the future, even if they went back only 5 or 10 minutes..."
we didnt "actually" saw f-peter with p-peter together but if wat f-peter did to teleport matt was the same as wat he did to p-peter, then they touched and interacted. and the call p-peter made at the end of episode 2 verified it that he saw hes future self. so im guessing no rift or anything will happen wen a future self visit hes past self...
It's HEROES. Physics and (increasingly) Continuity bare no weight on the story.
SleepingPhoenix
Sep 25 2008, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (neddac @ Sep 25 2008, 11:07 AM)

It's HEROES. Physics and (increasingly) Continuity bare no weight on the story.
Actually, i've always found the show to be quite good about the physics and science. Like the Cellular Regeneration making it so you don't die of old age (god, i remember how much these boards debated Adam's power vs. Claire...). And Ted's radiation being able to turn into an EMP.
My Name is Sylar!
Sep 25 2008, 02:45 PM
here's one to mull over F-Peter has definately changed the future, now will he go back to his future... or go into the future which is to now come instead or just fade out of existance because his future is now gone.
Drakan971
Sep 25 2008, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (My Name is Sylar! @ Sep 25 2008, 03:45 PM)

here's one to mull over F-Peter has definately changed the future, now will he go back to his future... or go into the future which is to now come instead or just fade out of existance because his future is now gone.
It will be quite interesting to see how this one plays out.. Because if he just goes to a changed future, he will probably have met people that he personally hasn't met, gained new powers, and done countless things that he will have no memory of because he was in the past.. I am hoping that once the future is "changed enough" for him that he will fade out of existence because it would just be too complicated I think anyway...
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