Arthur
Oct 27 2008, 06:08 PM
He was a good father and villain.
Arthur killed him because arthur wanted his son killed since daphne couldn't do the job...and Maury doesnt want that..he want his son safe...but i guess arthur has other plans.
Goodbye Maury.
Toudjine
Oct 27 2008, 06:14 PM
haha thats what i said while watching the epi i was like dont challange arthur maury ur gonna get killed
and what happend 3 seconds later
Woop gn maury we shall miss you
but too bad your son knows how to use ur power!!
Catch22
Oct 27 2008, 06:17 PM
Good night, sweet prince.
R.I.P MAURY PARKMAN
SEASON 2 - SEASON 3
"HE WAS KIND OF A DICK AT FIRST. TURNS OUT HE WAS A DECENT FELLOW."
Toudjine
Oct 27 2008, 06:19 PM
QUOTE (Catch22 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:17 PM)

Good night, sweet prince.
R.I.P MAURY PARKMAN
SEASON 2 - SEASON 3
"HE WAS KIND OF A DICK AT FIRST. TURNS OUT HE WAS A DECENT FELLOW."

yeah i agree with the dick comment
Aerdna
Oct 27 2008, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (Catch22 @ Oct 27 2008, 10:17 PM)

Good night, sweet prince.
R.I.P MAURY PARKMAN
SEASON 2 - SEASON 3
"HE WAS KIND OF A DICK AT FIRST. TURNS OUT HE WAS A DECENT FELLOW."

Hahaha

agreed.
itronik
Oct 27 2008, 08:07 PM
another quick and sharp 'removal' from the papaP bad4ss machine.
He wasn't my favourite character but showed a bit of humanity towards the end, which ultimately was his undoing
Lolzerzomg
Oct 27 2008, 08:26 PM
He could still be in league with Arthur, pulling a Matt Parkman and orchestrated the illusion that he was murdered to insure that his son wouldnt join Pinehearst?
With Matt in the "Company" he could act as a spy and relay information to Daphne and back to Arthur.
LadyAvisynh
Oct 27 2008, 09:11 PM
I dunno... I think as much as killing Adam was a "Kick the dog" moment, killing Maury was a Moral Event Horizon. I'm not allowed to say what it really is - that's just gross.
Needless to say I think we know Arthur will do just about anything.
Shadowrun
Oct 27 2008, 09:11 PM
This sucks, Maury had the potential to be an awesome villain. We hardly get to see him in S2 because of Sylar and now he's killed off quickly in S3 again because of Sylar. If anyone deserves to die this season it's Sylar. They're getting rid of too many characters to make room for him.
Moonflax
Oct 28 2008, 12:54 AM
Let's think about for a moment how profoundly stupid it was to stand up in Aurthur's face and say "I won't let you".
If Maury is actually dead, I'd have to say that borders on plot inconsistency for the sheer dumbness of committing suicide in so obvious a way. I think that Matt's trick actually acts as foreshadowing about Maury, because even "seeing" Maury dead, it's a real tough one to swallow to think he actually is.
I say it's an inconsistency because consider, the man is one of the founding members of the company. He's no idiot, and he's also going to be considerably more used to/developed in the used of his ability than his son.
I'm 100% sure he pulled the same trick Matt did against Knox, and yet another former villain will find heroism just as so many former heroes are finding a villainous streak this season.
snark
Oct 28 2008, 04:01 AM
QUOTE (Catch22 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:17 AM)

Good night, sweet prince.
R.I.P MAURY PARKMAN
SEASON 2 - SEASON 3
"HE WAS KIND OF A DICK AT FIRST. TURNS OUT HE WAS A DECENT FELLOW."

I never thought he was a dick

QUOTE (Moonflax @ Oct 28 2008, 09:54 AM)

Let's think about for a moment how profoundly stupid it was to stand up in Aurthur's face and say "I won't let you".
If Maury is actually dead, I'd have to say that borders on plot inconsistency for the sheer dumbness of committing suicide in so obvious a way. I think that Matt's trick actually acts as foreshadowing about Maury, because even "seeing" Maury dead, it's a real tough one to swallow to think he actually is.
I say it's an inconsistency because consider, the man is one of the founding members of the company. He's no idiot, and he's also going to be considerably more used to/developed in the used of his ability than his son.
I'm 100% sure he pulled the same trick Matt did against Knox, and yet another former villain will find heroism just as so many former heroes are finding a villainous streak this season.
Hopefully yeah!
Ando
Oct 28 2008, 04:21 AM
QUOTE (snark @ Oct 28 2008, 12:01 PM)

I never thought he was a dick

Hopefully yeah!
they are just trying to get rid of season 2 characters. I liked Maury, I hope he stays.
Hisuka
Oct 28 2008, 04:57 AM
QUOTE (Ando @ Oct 29 2008, 01:21 AM)

they are just trying to get rid of season 2 characters. I liked Maury, I hope he stays.
Hes going to be in the next episode as the next episode is a flash back of wat really happened before Arthur's "death".
Me thinks hes(maury) still alive tho.
The DOKTOR
Oct 28 2008, 05:57 AM
I must admit that I am much more saddened by Maury's death than Adam's. Imo, Maury had the potential to become one of the best villain in the Heroes' universe. I hope he managed to mind-trick Arthur but my hopes aren't very high...sigh
Raekon
Oct 28 2008, 06:09 AM
They obviously took his brain out of his head for a moment to make him "forget" what he said before "everything you say goes mr. petrelli" (while arthur was in a bed!) and how afraid he was before only to stay in front of him now when he was healthy and well attempting suicide.

Or maybe they injected him with stupidity like they did with other characters sometimes? O_o
Hmm... don't know... However, if I were maury, I would had taken some safe distance and already try to affect Arthur with my power so I can make a safe exit. Except if Arthur already has Maurys powers (it looked like it when he visited Angela in her dream and paralyzed her) and wouldn't be affected by Maury at all.
Anyway... even if it would be the case, Maury could had taken some safe distance like walking out of the company and flee or something so he can try to find a other solution first. Maybe even help Angela after all?
To me it seems that they are trying to get rid of all the season 2 characters by doing total cleanance. -.-
- Monica written off just like that.
- Maya powerless and leaves (at least she didn't got killed).
- Maury & Adam dead.
The DOKTOR
Oct 28 2008, 06:24 AM
Yeah, it's like the writers want to go as if S2 never happened. I was even surprised to see Matt in Mohinder's appartement.
I had forgotten they were roommates!
And Matt didn't seemed worried by Molly's absence...
Vikingisme
Oct 28 2008, 06:29 AM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 28 2008, 06:09 AM)

To me it seems that they are trying to get rid of all the season 2 characters by doing total cleanance. -.-
- Monica written off just like that.
- Maya powerless and leaves (at least she didn't got killed).
- Maury & Adam dead.
Not to mention West's disappearance and Bob's death (couldn't really be blamed but still...)
_Z_
Oct 28 2008, 06:53 AM
I thought Claire dumped West near the end of season 2 and he flew off rejected
Cylar
Oct 28 2008, 07:03 AM
West still is usable, he should come back one day, company agent or something, develop him into something more ownage.
Hope Maury's alive, he could be a super pro villian or hero.
Bob was also a pretty good villian/hero/moral greyer, but now... oh well.
JPW
Oct 28 2008, 07:12 AM
I think there is no trick here.... Maury's gone! Just like Adam.
I think they're doing it to make Arthur look like a pure badass. No sympathy for his allies or his enemies. He's becoming a real villain and we are actually going to hate Arthur in the end.
With every other villain they've created in the heroes series we found a soft spot for them but so far there's a great chance no one has found a soft spot for Arthur.
Maury showed great courage I felt standing up to Arthur and he showed he does have some heart in there. He redeemed himself in the end for me.
It's a good note to be killed on.
I also think Maury didn't take stupid pills and could of been hoping to change Athur's mind by standing up to him. HE acted on action and feelings too. If someone said for someone "to kill your son" right infront of you. What would you do? Especially if you helped him out. I be like "hell no.. please reconsider.... let me sort it out!" I take the death if I had to. But there is no way I would sit by and not stand up to the baddie.
I'm quite confused as to how he escaped form Matt's Dream though... That's where he was last left off in S2.
The DOKTOR
Oct 28 2008, 07:43 AM
You're right, man. I would stand in front of a speeding semi for my son.
Enemy of Reality
Oct 28 2008, 08:37 AM
It’s a bit harsh to say Maury was acting stupid or forgetting his fear for Arthur. Maury acted on impulse, despite all the incidents, he obviously cares for Matt and this was the perfect way of showing his courage. Any other order he would follow without question, but he stood up for himself and said no in the face of hell, doing this to Arthur, the dude everyone is bloody terrified of, shows Maury’s love. He died as a farther, it was a fitting tribute in my opinion, and also showed the first bit of resistance against the supposedly unstoppable Mr Petrelli.
itronik
Oct 28 2008, 09:34 AM
it was a parent's innate love for their child kicking in.
FWIW I thought arthur had a much greater potential to be a great villain than Adam, they could have done alot with him. Quick crack of the neck is all it takes on planet Heroes tho
chernij
Oct 28 2008, 11:38 AM
QUOTE (Catch22 @ Oct 28 2008, 02:17 AM)

Good night, sweet prince.
R.I.P MAURY PARKMAN
SEASON 2 - SEASON 3
"HE WAS KIND OF A DICK AT FIRST. TURNS OUT HE WAS A DECENT FELLOW."

Dick part - Agreed
kk_ghost
Oct 29 2008, 02:34 AM
Now Maury is dead (if he actually is) do you think we'll still know how did he manage to escape from the mental prison?
Skalli
Oct 29 2008, 02:50 AM
I allways thought Adam was sought of the man in charge of the company and stuff, there leader etc but im not sure now. Arthur just seems to off the founders like they are nothing lol first Adam/maury and also paralizing Angela.
Im interested to see who really was top dog
Kaito
Arthur
Linderman?
The Arthur and linderman stuff next week should be great tho, the novel they did warbuddies was awesome.
art_is_war
Oct 29 2008, 12:01 PM
All you guys justifying Maury's stupidity in this episode... You realize that he has the freakin' Jedi Mind Trick, right?
Let's step into Maury's shoes for a second. Your boss has just ordered a hit on your son. Do you...
A: Foolishly obstruct and appeal to Arthur's sense of morality when he's already proven to be a ruthless psychopath.
Or
B: Say... You don't WANT to kill my son. You want to go home and rethink your life.
With that said, the writers completely dropped the ball again. The only way they can rectify it is it turns out it was all an illusion like Matt's death. For their sake, I hope deeply that this is what they have in store.
Cancer Man
Oct 29 2008, 12:22 PM
QUOTE (art_is_war @ Oct 29 2008, 12:01 PM)

All you guys justifying Maury's stupidity in this episode... You realize that he has the freakin' Jedi Mind Trick, right?
Let's step into Maury's shoes for a second. Your boss has just ordered a hit on your son. Do you...
A: Foolishly obstruct and appeal to Arthur's sense of morality when he's already proven to be a ruthless psychopath.
Or
B: Say... You don't WANT to kill my son. You want to go home and rethink your life.
With that said, the writers completely dropped the ball again. The only way they can rectify it is it turns out it was all an illusion like Matt's death. For their sake, I hope deeply that this is what they have in store.
That didn't even cross my mind until right now, Maury should have at least attempted to stop Arthur via powers(although people seem to frequently forget they have them on Heroes) all be it Arthur also has the same ability allowing him to possibly stop Maury but hey it's worth a shot. The really tragedy here is that people are actually gaining faith in the writers rather than losing it as they should. Heroes killed off there last credible villain(the only one left is sylar who isn't even a villain anymore) just so that we have to deal with their crappy new ones. I'm sorry people if I'm not tuning in for the Petrelli's family feud just because you think Arthur is "badass"- a word commonly mistaken for meaning he's a good character. Knox is boring with no personality whatsoever all he does is stand beside Arthur acting tough, as if Heroes hasn't done that with enough characters. The only villain I don't mind is Daphne but given this latest turn her storyline has crossed the line of sensibility, she is pulling off a con on a MIND READER! Does anyone else see the flaws with that?
This volume of Heroes was foolishly titled Villains, so far they've managed to kill Adam, Bob, Maury, The German(the only level 5 member I thought had some kind of potential), and turned Sylar into a Hero. Instead of giving us the characters we like they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't: introduced a million new ones, the writers must be under the delusion that because they aren't "Heroes" they don't count. Another intention of the writers was to wipe the show clean of it's season 2 characters but for some ungodly reason the worst is still around: Kill MAYA for God's sake! One final topic on the issue of Maury's death is that they wouldn't make him escape his fate the same way as Matt, he's dead.
art_is_war
Oct 29 2008, 12:45 PM
About the Matt/Daphne thing, that actually doesn't bother me so much because it's within Matt's character to think too highly of people, plus he's in complete love with Daphne (When she said she was gonna kill him, he said 'pull the trigger', without hesitation) so it's doubtful that he'd mindread her. Maury is another story entirely though, since he was one of the original 12, and was very in tune with his power, so him forgetting that he had his power in the moment when it mattered most, was retarded. But I have to say, this season they've killed off my 4 favorite villains. Adam, Maury, The German, and Bob. I don't know why they had to kill off the most interesting ones and leave boring ones like Knox and Flint. Btw Cancer Man, Maya may not be dead, but she's gone. I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing her again.
The Crowing
Oct 29 2008, 12:47 PM
QUOTE (Cancer Man @ Oct 29 2008, 08:22 PM)

That didn't even cross my mind until right now, Maury should have at least attempted to stop Arthur via powers(although people seem to frequently forget they have them on Heroes) all be it Arthur also has the same ability allowing him to possibly stop Maury but hey it's worth a shot. The really tragedy here is that people are actually gaining faith in the writers rather than losing it as they should. Heroes killed off there last credible villain(the only one left is sylar who isn't even a villain anymore) just so that we have to deal with their crappy new ones. I'm sorry people if I'm not tuning in for the Petrelli's family feud just because you think Arthur is "badass"- a word commonly mistaken for meaning he's a good character. Knox is boring with no personality whatsoever all he does is stand beside Arthur acting tough, as if Heroes hasn't done that with enough characters. The only villain I don't mind is Daphne but given this latest turn her storyline has crossed the line of sensibility, she is pulling off a con on a MIND READER! Does anyone else see the flaws with that?
This volume of Heroes was foolishly titled Villains, so far they've managed to kill Adam, Bob, Maury, The German(the only level 5 member I thought had some kind of potential), and turned Sylar into a Hero. Instead of giving us the characters we like they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't: introduced a million new ones, the writers must be under the delusion that because they aren't "Heroes" they don't count. Another intention of the writers was to wipe the show clean of it's season 2 characters but for some ungodly reason the worst is still around: Kill MAYA for God's sake! One final topic on the issue of Maury's death is that they wouldn't make him escape his fate the same way as Matt, he's dead.
When Matt tried that mind trick on Peter in S2 it didn't work so imagine the odds of it working on Arthur? Virtually 0 and Maury was obviously aware of that because he was always scared of the man. I think Matt hasn't read Daphnie's mind out of respect for the woman he apparently loves. I was dissapointed with Maury's death though and the speed at which it happened, one b*tch slap and BAM Maury's a dead man.
Cancer Man
Oct 29 2008, 12:54 PM
QUOTE (TH3 JOK3R @ Oct 29 2008, 01:47 PM)

When Matt tried that mind trick on Peter in S2 it didn't work so imagine the odds of it working on Arthur? Virtually 0 and Maury was obviously aware of that because he was always scared of the man. I think Matt hasn't read Daphnie's mind out of respect for the woman he apparently loves. I was dissapointed with Maury's death though and the speed at which it happened, one b*tch slap and BAM Maury's a dead man.
Yes Arthur would have likely blocked it(because according to the writers he can do anything) but whose to say he's ever even used that ability before? For all we know he just has it he may not have even known all of Peter's powers, on top of that given the amount of time Maury has had his power and only his power one thinks he may have been able to master it and thus would have a greater chance of controlling Arthur.(I had the same problem with Peter beating Matt in their mind control battle given Peter had almost never successfully used it) One final comment is that it was worth a shot, if he's going to stand up to a super villain he might as well have tried his super power.
bartalmighty
Oct 29 2008, 01:34 PM
Personally I believe that Maury death was faked. Arthur and Maury knew that Matt could read Daphne thoughts so they prepared an illusion in which Daphne would believe so if Matt would dig in her head, he would find the truth they want him to believe. Maury is sort of strong character who helped Arthur a lot...on the other hand, I guess Arthur has the power of mind reading and creating illusions (check how he informs Adam about what's going on, or how he knows who just came in the room when 'bad guys' entered the room he was in, or when Peter showed up - he knew about them without turning his head), so having this power he might have thought of Maury as useless. What's more in the painting of Usutu there is no place for Maury but he may play some background role, not as one of the big villains. We'll find it out in a few weeks.
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