Is that right? Quite telling.

Ok so I've got a new theory regarding the 'dark sun rising'.

So.... peter doesn't have his powers, his father is trying to take over the world, sylar might be conflicted.

"Choose your own path or it will be chosen for you"

I put all of this into the bat-computer trying to correlate these factors.

I think Peter WON'T get his powers back (yeah, you heard! ), Arthur will become more and more powerful and might even be joined by Sylar. There will be the infamous solar eclipse at which point everything is reversed, those with powers will be without and those who have had them taken shall be restored, hence Peter will be the only one with any powers and at this moment he will shine (having gone through the heartache of losing his powers).

(I doubt Maya will be there coz she'd just kill everyone)

It's a bit out there I know but hey, lemme know what you think....

i don't think the eclipse would remove powers.. if you could remember in the beginning of s2, hiro stopped time despite the eclipse being there.. so, no the eclipse could not take powers away.

Well you killed that one pretty quick!

Isn't that when Adam got his power?

But hey we're talking about the Heroes universe here where anything can happen!

(Oh and BTW completely OT but Hayden trying to be rihanna! Say it aint so! She looks so unnatural/uncomfortable in the video)

hehe, yaah, like the episode where dl couldn't phase micah's hand through the window, and then the next second dl could phase both himself and niki. hahaha.

hmm.. i have other thoughts about the eclipse though.. maybe it could release the maximum potential of everyone's powers, making the villains very dangerous? especially arthur? you know just thoughts.. hehe..

Does the eclipse make evryones power evolve?

Like at first there was the eclipse, and that is when people started getting powers, then every eclipse their powers unlock some more.

I can't remember which source, but at one point, the Eclipse was confirmed to remove powers (though this could have changed since then).

About people who have lost their powers getting them back, I'm not sure that would be a good thing. Peter's ridiculously strong with his powers, so having him fight a bunch of powerless people would be really lame (albeit hilarious)

And the eclipses so far:

1) 1x01 Genesis- although most of our heroes manifested powers six months before this, the eclipse causes rapid power acceleration in them. So around this time, Peter starts to mimic his second power- Flight; Nathan starts using his flight again; Jessica starts to resurface etc.

2) 2x01 Four Months Later- No idea what this one does. Probably causes Takezo Kensei to manifest RCR

Well I think the link between the eclipse and powers is confirmed, as to how it affects them seems a little more blurry. Granted the theory was a stretch but you gotta throw these ideas out there yunno?

Perhaps I'm a little bit late to the party on this one, but I took a couple of days to wrap my head around the concept, and here is where my thoughts have settled:

"You will become me."
"The dark sun/son will rise."
"Choose your own path or it will be chosen for you."

I must preface my thoughts by saying that this is the precise reason why I geek out over this show so much, why I race home from work with my gas gauge on E just so I don't miss a single moment of the show.

My interpretation of the episode title is that it signals the start of a blurring of lines and transfer of roles between characters. The main characters exhibiting this thus far are Peter, Sylar, and Arthur.

Stripped of his abilities, I see Peter beginning a quest to reacquire his powers, much like the Sylar we saw in seasons 1 and 2. This will pull him further toward darkness and cause him to operate from a moral gray area rather than his previous position of purity and light.

Sylar, now burdened with a conscience since discovering that he has a family, will quickly adopt a more Peter-esque role of fighting to protect and preserve this life rather than for selfish gains and destruction of those who have what he does not.

And Arthur will gladly assume the role of Big Bad Villain, which has been primarily vacant since early in season 1 before we really got to know Sylar.

I believe that the remaining quotes are directly linked to the same series of events. The upcoming Eclipse will trigger unprecedented situations that will draw a clear line between darkness and light. When this happens, those who have pre-defined alliances will find themselves thrust deeper into their convictions, while rest are forced to choose sides neither they, nor we, would expect. And from this turmoil one of the Petrelli's will emerge as a dark and powerful force. Which son that will be remains to be seen, as none of the 3 have staken a firm stance of late.

Although certain aspects of the Eclipse event have been spoiled (and all but confirmed to be true), the long-term effects and true meaning behind the occurence is still a mystery. And while I am happy to leave it at that for now, I know I'll be singing a different tune once the real cliffhanger hits and we're left pining for answers during the winter break.

Yeah but have you got a bat computer?

Seriously tho, as always, blown away by your posts. As far as the spoilers go I don't wanna know (fingers in ears) . I had a slightly different take on the "you will become all I am" or whatever it means, I took it to mean one of the sons was going to take up their father's cause, so i'm expecting him to die at the end of this series only to be replaced by one of his children. Like you said we're not really sure who that may be at the moment.

You're definitely right about the roles changing, I think that's a really interesting development this season.

I liked what you said about the whole "having to chose sides on judgement day". Heroes has been criticised for having too many characters but in that scenario it would play out perfectly.

I also liked the Peter walking a dubious line theory, to what lengths will he go? It should be a good journey for his character and allow alot of progression from the hot headed impetuous fool that he can sometimes be.

Thanks for the considered response although I now feel as if I know too much!

Ah, but I went to great lengths to not spoil the fun! Now if only I could break my bad habit of peeling away those tempting little black spoiler shades....

I always saw the usage of the eclipse as something that gives grand significance on a celestial scale, the whole we are small concept. A contrasting change caused by forces beyond our control. But after some of the analysis prior I feel lame with such a simple thought.

Okay, I think the dark sun obviously has to be the eclipse. Usutu doesn't mention that it all ends when the dark sun rises, but more that it will be too late.

Also when this elcipse occurs and Peter does get his power back, then its very likely that he will be back at square one and have to start power collecting again. As the writing team are going to great lengths to make certain characters less powerful.

So are we going to she this power stripping from now on with every eclipse because it's in every season?

I don't know about that. But if you even look at the episode before 'The Eclipse Part 1'. 'Its Coming' I think its called, this must mean that the eclipse is somehow connected to abilities. Its the first time we've had a 2 parter aswell.

When Peter recovers his EM I assume he will have lost all of his absorbed powers too, but really it looks like around the time of recovering his ability, he'll quite quickly run into Claire, Hiro, Sylar, Nathan so he'll recover most of his absorbed powers within a reasonable timeframe (unfortunately he won't have Elle's power which absolutely rocked)

why?

I don't know about Hiro, as the time travel thing may being getting phased out of the show.

As for Elle, well he mentions that because she may not have her power for long.

no offense, but i'm pretty sure that "Eris quod sum" means "you will be what I am" or "you will be that which I am"

the Quod is also used for "because" but here I think it is from the "Qui Quae Quod" word from latin meaning who, what or which

so it could also mean "you will be who I am"

how is that any different from "you will become me?" There's isn't any real difference, the latter is just phrased in more sensible English

And has it been confirmed that Peter gets his power back during the eclipse? since the eclipse takes away everyone else's powers, I don't see why they would give Peter his back, just to to fight a bunch of powerless villains.

And I meant that Peter probably won't get Elle's power back because it doesn't look like those two will be meeting again anytime soon

I was wondering if Arthur wants to get the formula working to make more people be like him (You will be what I am) I.E have powers... So then he can just drain them and become more and more powerful until he rules the world.

For a few more thoughts on this ep we've put together a little vodcast, any views and comments would be most appreciated

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xWKOLdn8H_w

Eris Quod Sum - Role reversing (simply);
Heroes becoming Villains, Villains becoming Heroes; with the Eclipse the black with become white & the white will become black those that where gray stay gray but they're influenced by the defined black & white colors around them.

@rig - Incredible! It took me like 4 paragraphs to say that!

I doubt the eclipse will affect their powers but it is plausible to a certain extent since it's a 'dark sun rising' in a way too. Still vague though. We're only 7 episodes in so I'm sure we'll be able to dissect in detail once a few more episodes are aired.