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nexusofpower
Just before Arthur takes Peter's powers, surely in that time, Peter would have mimicked Arthur's base power of Power Absorption? And I'm not sure, but I don't think Arthur could absorb his own power, kinda like how an Empath can't mimic Empathic Mimicry cool.gif

So if Peter kept Power Absorption, then he'll be able to nab a few powers to take on Arthur, and then possibly re-take Empathic Mimicry to recover all his mimicked powers for an epic showdown with daddy.

It's a bit convoluted, but I can't see how else Peter would re-take his powers
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Peter couldn't absorb regeneration from Claire after the fall,.... so he doesn't have his empathic mimicry. So how would he be able to connect to this ability?
nexusofpower
QUOTE (GIBBY @ Nov 4 2008, 04:59 PM) *
Peter couldn't absorb regeneration from Claire after the fall,.... so he doesn't have his empathic mimicry. So how would he be able to connect to this ability?


d*** forgot that Peter can't use mimicked abilities without his EM

boy you shot that theory down quickly! biggrin.gif
speed
that happens alot around here...lol
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (speed @ Nov 5 2008, 02:46 AM) *
that happens alot around here...lol


Yip, and usually its my ideas that go down like a lead ballon. dry.gif
nexusofpower
lol, actually, after a bit of Heroes-themed daydreaming in Physics today, I'm willing to defend my theory

Isn't it possible that when the Empathic Mimicry was ripped off Peter's genetic marker that Power Absorption was attached to his genetic marker, so it's essentially become a base power for Peter, eseentially making him able to use it without any need for an empathic connection. I know this is also slightly convoluted, but a sort of similar thing happens with Sylar. His Intuitive Aptitude was the first power to be on his genetic marker, but for some reason, his genetic marker now codes for Telekinesis...
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
I was going to type something pretty long, but can't be bothered. rolleyes.gif

Peter has lost all abilities currently, but empathic mimicry is in his DNA and will be restored once again.

When Arthur took his abilities he missed one,.... that is IA. But Peter's IA is inactive because Peter can't connect to the ability as his EM is disabled.

Peter will regain his EM, and when this happens IA will probably be reactivated as the connection was already made in the future. He will need to collect regeneration and others again.
neddac
So all this has done is remove Peter's spastic tendencies when it came to using his powers??
nexusofpower
who knows why it was done?

Alas, then the only way for Peter to regain EM is by injection...
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (neddac @ Nov 5 2008, 05:26 PM) *
So all this has done is remove Peter's spastic tendencies when it came to using his powers??


I think the may let him keep it, as the whole empathy on its own has brought up plotholes aswell. It looks to me with all the latest spoilers going round aswell, that the writers are trying to leave less room for mistakes.
theVOID
I think peter still has IA, it makes no sense to say that he can't use it without EM when sylar can.

IA wasn't something he absorbed, it was learned.


My prediction: Sylar and others will get arthur into a situation where peter can come and cut open his head, and take his powers back, plus the ones arthur has gained.

OR

Since Sylar can't die anymore, he will let peter cut him open to learn his powers. Sylar won't loose his powers as a result, he will heal and regenerate them all again.

Edit:

Maybe not, doesn't sylar cut people open using TK? peter could bust out the hack saw tongue.gif
earth
I dont think peter will be cutting any heads open to get his ability back i think he will regain it during eclipse sometime
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (theVOID @ Nov 5 2008, 09:15 PM) *
I think peter still has IA, it makes no sense to say that he can't use it without EM when sylar can.

IA wasn't something he absorbed, it was learned.


He did absorb IA,.. at 'Homecoming' in S1. But it lay dormant as he couldn't access it like many other abilities hes abosrbed. He learns how to use it in 'I am Become Death', afterwhich the ability is active.

When he loses EM, he loses the connection to the ability. Gabriel doesn't need EM to access IA, as Gabriel originally had this ability.
theVOID
I wonder if arthur's power is just a more advanced version of peters, like with muray and mat before mat learned to control his power, maybe peter could fully take someone's power if he tried, but it requires physical contact.
earth
why would peter want to steal abilities when he can just absorb everyones and hes outtie, id say peters ability is more advanced than his fathers
dave6074
maybe peters ability is dormant.. he doesnt know he still has it since Arthur told him.. maybe arthur only took all his absorbed abilitys and since he thinks he doesnt have them.. thjat causes him not to absorb claires ability?

maybe ? tongue.gif
nexusofpower
QUOTE (dave6074 @ Nov 7 2008, 05:06 PM) *
maybe peters ability is dormant.. he doesnt know he still has it since Arthur told him.. maybe arthur only took all his absorbed abilitys and since he thinks he doesnt have them.. thjat causes him not to absorb claires ability?

maybe ? tongue.gif


It doesn't matter what state of mind Peter is in. If he still had his EM, then no matter what, he would have healed while being right next to Claire. And the writers just aren't gonna do something weak like reveal two episodes later that, "Oh no! Peter was duped! He still has his Empathic Mimicry!"
judace
QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Nov 4 2008, 04:55 PM) *
Just before Arthur takes Peter's powers, surely in that time, Peter would have mimicked Arthur's base power of Power Absorption?



This has been discussed and we all know that this is not what happened.

However I will say it should have been possible, based on what we know of their powers!
shader2099
QUOTE (GIBBY @ Nov 4 2008, 05:59 PM) *
Peter couldn't absorb regeneration from Claire after the fall,.... so he doesn't have his empathic mimicry. So how would he be able to connect to this ability?

Well, the way Mohinder describes Peter's ability is his DNA adapts to resemble others' DNA. If Peter absorbed Arthur's ability (which I'm certain he did) and Arthur's ability can't steal itself (which is much less certain but not impossible) he wouldn't need empathic mimicry, he just needs to stumble onto a way to trigger it and it's not like his first thought while running for his life is shaking evolved people's hands. Something like being slowly beaten to death by Samedi might do the trick. biggrin.gif
tetra3000
QUOTE (shader2099 @ Dec 1 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Well, the way Mohinder describes Peter's ability is his DNA adapts to resemble others' DNA. If Peter absorbed Arthur's ability (which I'm certain he did) and Arthur's ability can't steal itself (which is much less certain but not impossible) he wouldn't need empathic mimicry, he just needs to stumble onto a way to trigger it and it's not like his first thought while running for his life is shaking evolved people's hands. Something like being slowly beaten to death by Samedi might do the trick. biggrin.gif


I agree that this is what should have happened theoreticaly, but im almost certain Peter has no abilities...yet (im just hoping he gets somehting back when the eclipse passes, coz its painful seeing his go from having God-like powers to being a regular human tongue.gif...if only he mind read his father before hugging him aagghhh sad.gif
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Is Peter showing signs of IA.

He firstly uses a gas to stop Knox and Flint.

Then he accurately works out where the village is on the map.

Then lastly he is seen using a machine gun and holding off numerous people.

Sure this could be Peter just using his brain for once, but what if it is something?
neddac
That was a great scene. He shot's like the A-Team though.
Pimp Fish
QUOTE (Obi-Wan Gibnobi @ Dec 2 2008, 02:02 PM) *
Is Peter showing signs of IA.

He firstly uses a gas to stop Knox and Flint.

Then he accurately works out where the village is on the map.

Then lastly he is seen using a machine gun and holding off numerous people.

Sure this could be Peter just using his brain for once, but what if it is something?



All of it is part of a "Reedem yourself" movement imo, rather than a "he really has his abilities all along" kind of thing. By being useful, Peter demonstrates he can handle his abilities (most likely revived by the formula)
sunkper
QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Nov 4 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Just before Arthur takes Peter's powers, surely in that time, Peter would have mimicked Arthur's base power of Power Absorption? And I'm not sure, but I don't think Arthur could absorb his own power, kinda like how an Empath can't mimic Empathic Mimicry cool.gif

So if Peter kept Power Absorption, then he'll be able to nab a few powers to take on Arthur, and then possibly re-take Empathic Mimicry to recover all his mimicked powers for an epic showdown with daddy.

It's a bit convoluted, but I can't see how else Peter would re-take his powers

What tells you an Empathic Mimic can't mimic his own ability? It might work, it's just incredibly pointless.

Anyway, you could be right, but Arthur still removed all powers from Peter's system, right? That's what they've been saying in all the spoilers, and even the episodes. There's even an episode called Powerless. Oh, and Arthur said something like: "You don't have your powers anymore, Peter, because I have them now." in Eric Quod Sum, right?
shader2099
QUOTE (sunkper @ Dec 3 2008, 06:35 PM) *
What tells you an Empathic Mimic can't mimic his own ability? It might work, it's just incredibly pointless.

According to Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski Peter can't get powers from his future or past self because he is only mimicing the base power (mimicry). If that applies when meeting other Empathic Mimics, you tell me. We're fairly sure Peter got his Telekinesis from Sylar but that doesn't really tip us one way or the other.
sunkper
QUOTE (Obi-Wan Gibnobi @ Dec 2 2008, 08:02 PM) *
He firstly uses a gas to stop Knox and Flint.

Yeah that one was kinda nifty, but still. IA...?

QUOTE (Obi-Wan Gibnobi @ Dec 2 2008, 08:02 PM) *
Then he accurately works out where the village is on the map.

I might be suffering from IA myself... I read a map yesterday and I was right!


QUOTE (Obi-Wan Gibnobi @ Dec 2 2008, 08:02 PM) *
Then lastly he is seen using a machine gun and holding off numerous people.

I realize that requires some skills, but you don't need to think alot, just aim and shoot tongue.gif
Darth Carp
QUOTE (sunkper @ Dec 6 2008, 12:21 AM) *
I realize that requires some skills, but you don't need to think alot, just aim and shoot tongue.gif

Also, you could tell Pete was still a novice. He used way too many bullets when everyone was hidden and when the clip ran out, he looked puzzled while still exposed and looked at the gun before hiding back behind the car. Rookie mistake to let your clip run out while exposed.
earth
obviously his a novice i dont think peter ever got the chance to use an ak-47 on anyone in nyc tongue.gif tongue.gif
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