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rig1015
Alright I'll take a big leap here and throw out an idea a lot of you will laugh at;

Arthur is not Nathan, Gabriel, Peter's dad but rather someone who was soul swapped like P_Peter was in the beginning of this season.

Now before you get all WTF!?! on me, read my only reasons for the radical speculation;

We've been hinted at the the whole season that every Hero of this generation are more than just what we see of their abilities, they're changing. Powers are reaching new levels of extreme; they're more... what, I don't know- use your imagination, make it cool! But they're more. So Peter's coming around and seeing his subconscious dream at the start of 307. (Now if you believe that this dream held significance you'll get the rest of the post, if you don't believe it did then this becomes harder to believe.) Constantly we are told "Dad's dead" by Nathan, like Peter keeps hearing it for some reason. Now, how many out there believe IA was skipped over by Arthur during the taking-of-Peter's-abilities? Well if you don't this has gone too far for you now... His IA is reawakening in his subconscious mind and it is showing him how, through seeing all the variables, he is learning that it is NOT his real Dad. *** I personally believe that Peter will have a "phoenix-like" moment this season and it will be awesome, and all will be well. *** So in my theory Peter is SEVERALLY crippled in the powers depot. like NO "connection" except in the area of the brain that we don't know we use, subconscious; locked up... and the lock is only as good as the locksmith (Arthur). Well Peter IS apart of Arthur... following? So he can "undo" what Arthur does... So his powers are trying to still talk to him, its just "who he is," you can't take that away. Okay about Arthur, what if this isn't Arthur, it is someone in Arthur's place the way Peter was with Jesse?, Power/Soul/Life force absorption ISN'T Arthur's ability but it is the "others" natural ability, getting back to the original speculation. This "other" could possibly be enacting a punishment or torture, on Arthur for his crimes of the past... But why would Arthur need Maury? Why was Arthur being "preserved" (I say preserved specifically) like that anyway? Why is it that when Maury was about to tell us were Arthur was before he helped him he died? These are all things that should be asked by all of us. These are all open ended areas of speculation but in mine it follows: He need Maury for moving into Arthur's preserved form, Arthur was put that way because of his abilities were getting out of control, he went willingly. However his new host isn't going to be so "out of the way." Maury helped the host in order to keep him & Matt safe (like we saw). So! through Peters dream he's starting to realize this, that his dad is hidden, dead, not really here, or not doing this himself, so his feelings can be clear about what he has to do. Once he clears himself of that emotional burden he re-awakens.

Who is really in Arthur then? I dunno speculate on that if you like the radical-ness of my theory.

1) Arthur isn't Arthur the way P_Peter wasn't Peter (Jesse).
2) Because of this Peter can't completely lose his powers to this "other" Arthur because he using Petrelli DNA as a host.
3) Once Peter accepts that this isn't his father he will re-awaken.

Do I want this to happen... not really (not the Arthur thing anyway, the Peter thing, absolutely. I don't care if all his powers are hard to write for, work it out!... be creative Ooo blink.gif ... sorry) I'm just thinking that rather than give us what we want they are going to skimp on the story all last second so I'm speculating on all the weird and radical ways they might try avoid an epic show down, and this weird idea popped into my head.

Okay bash on...

PS.

!!!Demand Epic Showdown!!!
theVOID
QUOTE (rig1015 @ Nov 7 2008, 03:16 PM) *
Alright I'll take a big leap here and throw out an idea a lot of you will laugh at;

Arthur is not Nathan, Gabriel, Peter's dad but rather someone who was soul swapped like P_Peter was in the beginning of this season.

Now before you get all WTF!?! on me, read my only reasons for the radical speculation;

We've been hinted at the the whole season that every Hero of this generation are more than just what we see of their abilities, they're changing. Powers are reaching new levels of extreme; they're more... what, I don't know- use your imagination, make it cool! But they're more. So Peter's coming around and seeing his subconscious dream at the start of 307. (Now if you believe that this dream held significance you'll get the rest of the post, if you don't believe it did then this becomes harder to believe.) Constantly we are told "Dad's dead" by Nathan, like Peter keeps hearing it for some reason. Now, how many out there believe IA was skipped over by Arthur during the taking-of-Peter's-abilities? Well if you don't this has gone too far for you now... His IA is reawakening in his subconscious mind and it is showing him how, through seeing all the variables, he is learning that it is NOT his real Dad. *** I personally believe that Peter will have a "phoenix-like" moment this season and it will be awesome, and all will be well. *** So in my theory Peter is SEVERALLY crippled in the powers depot. like NO "connection" except in the area of the brain that we don't know we use, subconscious; locked up... and the lock is only as good as the locksmith (Arthur). Well Peter IS apart of Arthur... following? So he can "undo" what Arthur does... So his powers are trying to still talk to him, its just "who he is," you can't take that away. Okay about Arthur, what if this isn't Arthur, it is someone in Arthur's place the way Peter was with Jesse?, Power/Soul/Life force absorption ISN'T Arthur's ability but it is the "others" natural ability, getting back to the original speculation. This "other" could possibly be enacting a punishment or torture, on Arthur for his crimes of the past... But why would Arthur need Maury? Why was Arthur being "preserved" (I say preserved specifically) like that anyway? Why is it that when Maury was about to tell us were Arthur was before he helped him he died? These are all things that should be asked by all of us. These are all open ended areas of speculation but in mine it follows: He need Maury for moving into Arthur's preserved form, Arthur was put that way because of his abilities were getting out of control, he went willingly. However his new host isn't going to be so "out of the way." Maury helped the host in order to keep him & Matt safe (like we saw). So! through Peters dream he's starting to realize this, that his dad is hidden, dead, not really here, or not doing this himself, so his feelings can be clear about what he has to do. Once he clears himself of that emotional burden he re-awakens.

Who is really in Arthur then? I dunno speculate on that if you like the radical-ness of my theory.

1) Arthur isn't Arthur the way P_Peter wasn't Peter (Jesse).
2) Because of this Peter can't completely lose his powers to this "other" Arthur because he using Petrelli DNA as a host.
3) Once Peter accepts that this isn't his father he will re-awaken.

Do I want this to happen... not really (not the Arthur thing anyway, the Peter thing, absolutely. I don't care if all his powers are hard to write for, work it out!... be creative Ooo blink.gif ... sorry) I'm just thinking that rather than give us what we want they are going to skimp on the story all last second so I'm speculating on all the weird and radical ways they might try avoid an epic show down, and this weird idea popped into my head.

Okay bash on...

PS.

!!!Demand Epic Showdown!!!



I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense. When you write a theory stick to a statement followed by point by point analysis, you just rambled on and after reading the whole thing i came out more confused and less intrigued than i was after the first paragraph...
earth
where do u get your weed from?
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (earth @ Nov 7 2008, 05:15 AM) *
where do u get your weed from?


Tbh he did give a summary at the bottom. But I still have problems accepting Peter can use IA due to his base ability being gone, that being EM.

As for the Arthur not being Arthur, well thats also hard too accept. Because your asking the viewer to take a huge leap of faith, considering they're has not even been the slightest hint at this notion either on the show or the GNs.

Nice idea though about Peter maybe being able to unlock his ability as his ability is so similar to his fathers. But again I struggle to see how this would work. How would this look on screen?
rig1015
QUOTE (earth @ Nov 6 2008, 09:15 PM) *
where do u get your weed from?

Hey I laughed too. ... really hard.
QUOTE (Gibby @ Nov 7 2008, 03:14 AM) *
... How would this look on screen?

Ya'Know... its too radical. Big, desolate, just our Heroes & Villains, Earth scaring.
dave6074
lol i supose it might happen.. but i reallly do think its too.. out there and be so annoying to all the arthur fans out there
nexusofpower
hey, you took my suggestion of posting a new thread for this happy.gif But still, this is the product of a serious Heroes deficiency tongue.gif You're a really nice guy rig, but I'm afraid the rest of this post will be largely be completely trashing your theory (it had to happen, eh?)

But my opinion stands firm. This is absolutely ridiculous, and the writers would never write this onto the show. It's such a thin plot conecept, with about a million plot holes in it. I'm not sure anyone would enjoy what you suggested happening on the show. I mean, if it was some nondescript villain's soul in Arthur's body, then waht's to stop all these crazy speculations that "Eden never died. Her soul was put into Elle's body. Chandra didn't die either, and his soul is currently residing in the body of Bob Bishop" or ridiculous stuff like that

And here's some evidence to go along with it. Firstly, Maury can only receive/send thoughts and manipulate people's perception of reality. He could not possibly swap people's souls, that is another power entirely (has been called Body Insertion). Peter repeatedly thinking the line, "Dad's dead," shows how difficult Peter finds it to deal with the idea of his dad being alive

Come on rig, stay strong! Just a few days left, eh? And then you'll finally be able to see the episode containing the truth about Arthur Petrelli! biggrin.gif
Sylar_Gray
That is one big leap. But come on it doesn't make much sense.
rig1015
Oh I know its a leap! laugh.gif But I wanted to take it. Throw out a silly idea to get gears working in different ways.
The weird thought crossed my mind and I wanted to hear how it would die. I took nexus' advice (re-post) and wanted others to chew it over, specul-aptitude. tongue.gif Unless I bounce the idea off of things I don't know what others think. Arthur and the body swapping yeah that is far, far away, alone on a thought cloud, playing with a breeze... but the Peter/Phoenix idea- what are other speculations about how he'll get his powers back? If he gets his powers back.

I'm still on the side that Peter is going to rise again... other thoughts on how? Like I said previously I'd like it to be a reawakening, epic and awe-struck- glowing, screaming, big FXs, rage & love etc.
judace
QUOTE (rig1015 @ Nov 7 2008, 02:16 AM) *
Alright I'll take a big leap here and throw out an idea a lot of you will laugh at;

Arthur is not Nathan, Gabriel, Peter's dad but rather someone who was soul swapped like P_Peter was in the beginning of this season.

Now before you get all WTF!?! on me, read my only reasons for the radical speculation;

We've been hinted at the the whole season that every Hero of this generation are more than just what we see of their abilities, they're changing. Powers are reaching new levels of extreme; they're more... what, I don't know- use your imagination, make it cool! But they're more. So Peter's coming around and seeing his subconscious dream at the start of 307. (Now if you believe that this dream held significance you'll get the rest of the post, if you don't believe it did then this becomes harder to believe.) Constantly we are told "Dad's dead" by Nathan, like Peter keeps hearing it for some reason. Now, how many out there believe IA was skipped over by Arthur during the taking-of-Peter's-abilities? Well if you don't this has gone too far for you now... His IA is reawakening in his subconscious mind and it is showing him how, through seeing all the variables, he is learning that it is NOT his real Dad. *** I personally believe that Peter will have a "phoenix-like" moment this season and it will be awesome, and all will be well. *** So in my theory Peter is SEVERALLY crippled in the powers depot. like NO "connection" except in the area of the brain that we don't know we use, subconscious; locked up... and the lock is only as good as the locksmith (Arthur). Well Peter IS apart of Arthur... following? So he can "undo" what Arthur does... So his powers are trying to still talk to him, its just "who he is," you can't take that away. Okay about Arthur, what if this isn't Arthur, it is someone in Arthur's place the way Peter was with Jesse?, Power/Soul/Life force absorption ISN'T Arthur's ability but it is the "others" natural ability, getting back to the original speculation. This "other" could possibly be enacting a punishment or torture, on Arthur for his crimes of the past... But why would Arthur need Maury? Why was Arthur being "preserved" (I say preserved specifically) like that anyway? Why is it that when Maury was about to tell us were Arthur was before he helped him he died? These are all things that should be asked by all of us. These are all open ended areas of speculation but in mine it follows: He need Maury for moving into Arthur's preserved form, Arthur was put that way because of his abilities were getting out of control, he went willingly. However his new host isn't going to be so "out of the way." Maury helped the host in order to keep him & Matt safe (like we saw). So! through Peters dream he's starting to realize this, that his dad is hidden, dead, not really here, or not doing this himself, so his feelings can be clear about what he has to do. Once he clears himself of that emotional burden he re-awakens.

Who is really in Arthur then? I dunno speculate on that if you like the radical-ness of my theory.

1) Arthur isn't Arthur the way P_Peter wasn't Peter (Jesse).
2) Because of this Peter can't completely lose his powers to this "other" Arthur because he using Petrelli DNA as a host.
3) Once Peter accepts that this isn't his father he will re-awaken.

Do I want this to happen... not really (not the Arthur thing anyway, the Peter thing, absolutely. I don't care if all his powers are hard to write for, work it out!... be creative Ooo blink.gif ... sorry) I'm just thinking that rather than give us what we want they are going to skimp on the story all last second so I'm speculating on all the weird and radical ways they might try avoid an epic show down, and this weird idea popped into my head.

Okay bash on...

PS.

!!!Demand Epic Showdown!!!


Woah! I cant believe I read the whole thing, waste of 2 mins of my life!

wont happen again I promise!
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