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chantal
How did he get form New Jersey to Africa and wouldn't the painter have seen him coming
grady_4546
QUOTE (chantal @ Nov 11 2008, 03:20 PM) *
How did he get form New Jersey to Africa and wouldn't the painter have seen him coming

he can teleport, like peter used to be able to. and even if he knew arthur was coming, it would be hard to escape from him
Shadowrun
Arthur has multiple abilities and is far more adept than Hiro is. There is no way Usutu could have stopped him.
Ando
I think Usutu knew and that is why he had to show hiro as his last act of heroism (Just like Isaac). Now lets hope Hiro survives to take Arhtur down.
rig1015
Usutu, like Isaac, has served his purpose by showing our Heroes what them must overcome... but do you think Arhtur was aware of Hiro in the dreams/flashback?
Hero2012
All Hiro has to do is STOP TIME...
That's his power...Use it God d***. SMH
GO BACK 1 MIN And SAVE UTUTSU
SNnat
Well like people said earlier, he got Peter's power so he now has everything that Peter can do, including teleporting so that's how he got to Africa

now as far as Usutu, I think he can see the future but not every single event that is going to happen... so I guess in a way he could have not seen Arthur come until he was actually there. But if that's wrong there must have been something to drive him outside, and maybe he probably did indeed save Hiro and Ando by doing that, he let Hiro finish what he was doing.
jus_3c
QUOTE (Hero2012 @ Nov 11 2008, 02:41 PM) *
All Hiro has to do is STOP TIME...
That's his power...Use it God d***. SMH
GO BACK 1 MIN And SAVE UTUTSU


Err, i think we saw a few weeks ago that Hiro couldn't even sneak up on Usutu using that technique. I highly doubt he could stop a serious badass like Arthur head-on like that....
hellblazer
Also Hiro refuses to travel back in time.
Hero2012
QUOTE (jus_3c @ Nov 11 2008, 04:01 PM) *
Err, i think we saw a few weeks ago that Hiro couldn't even sneak up on Usutu using that technique. I highly doubt he could stop a serious badass like Arthur head-on like that....

Errrrrrr.....usutu painted hiro coming...he knew what was gonna happen.
I doubt that arthur started painting before he went to Africa.

QUOTE (hellblazer @ Nov 11 2008, 11:28 PM) *
Also Hiro refuses to travel back in time.

f!ck outta here, in the first episode of season 3 we see Hiro playing with time going back 30min back & forth JUST FOR FUN.
makes no sence at the end of the day...
perrito
QUOTE (Hero2012 @ Nov 11 2008, 03:50 PM) *
Errrrrrr.....usutu painted hiro coming...he knew what was gonna happen.
I doubt that arthur started painting before he went to Africa.


f!ck outta here, in the first episode of season 3 we see Hiro playing with time going back 30min back & forth JUST FOR FUN.
makes no sence at the end of the day...


i think that he is still dreaming, so what we saw is just what is about to happen few minutes later, but is not to late for hiro to run away with his pal.
Summer
also we didn't see arthur anywhere when hiro was walking around usutu's head ... *invisibility*
so definitely peter's powers and used space/time manipulation... simple... and ripped usutu's head off either by nicki's super strength OR telekinesis... instead of cutting off the forehead, he cut off the neck instead... but that's not important i guess...

it's entirely possible hiro stops time right now and teleports away with ando somewhere else but... i think it'd be hard because 1: he's screaming... 2: he's not concentrated/ready enough to use his powers

one way to find out! *just like if he REALLY stabbed ando* ... watch NEXT WEEK's episode! which has absolutely NO mention of hiro/ando in the previews sad.gif
Zurui
I also think Hiro is still dreaming. Arther can go into people's heads like Matt and Maury, so maybe he went into Hiro's head to scare the crap out of him. Because theoretically, he could now teleport to Africa, but how would he know Hiro is even there?

Also, something to keep in mind is this: Even if Hiro manages to stop screaming his head off (let's hope that's not literal) long enough to stop time, it won't affect Arther. He has Peter's power, and that means if Hiro freezes time, he does not freeze Arther with it, just like he can't freeze Peter (or himself for that matter) with it. Teleporting is a possibility, but again, Arther has Peter's powers, therefore he has Hiro's powers. He can follow him any where he goes, assuming he knows where he is going. But can he? That brings us back to my first question, how did he know Hiro is even in Africa?

Anyway, food for thought...
Summer
QUOTE (Zurui @ Nov 11 2008, 09:34 PM) *
That brings us back to my first question, how did he know Hiro is even in Africa?

Anyway, food for thought...

wasn't he the one who ordered daphne to send hiro down to africa to "recruit usutu"? so he obviously knows he's there?!?
tvspyguys
QUOTE (Summer @ Nov 12 2008, 03:08 AM) *
wasn't he the one who ordered daphne to send hiro down to africa to "recruit usutu"? so he obviously knows he's there?!?


It is all in Hiro's mind. There is no way that Usutu is dead. Arthur is still in the US and I don't think he has to know where Hiro is exactly... Did he know exactly where Angela was when he went into her head and put her in the coma?

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Cylar
Hmmm.. Spirit Walk turned telepathic attack by Arthur? Just as he did to Angela? Precog dream turned nightmare prison...
nexusofpower
it's gotta be part of Hiro's spirit walk!! It's gotta be!! The writer's must have realised that they needed this episode to contain something which would get viewers excited about the next episode, so they put this in

Hopefully in the next episode, we'll see Hiro waking up properly, with full knowledge of who's waiting for him outside Usutu's hut
tvspyguys
QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Nov 12 2008, 06:57 PM) *
it's gotta be part of Hiro's spirit walk!! It's gotta be!! The writer's must have realised that they needed this episode to contain something which would get viewers excited about the next episode, so they put this in

Hopefully in the next episode, we'll see Hiro waking up properly, with full knowledge of who's waiting for him outside Usutu's hut



I think we will see Hiro waking up with no power as his mind has been scrambled by Arthur... No more time travel... Whoop
Phoenix
QUOTE (tvspyguys @ Nov 13 2008, 07:51 AM) *
I think we will see Hiro waking up with no power as his mind has been scrambled by Arthur... No more time travel... Whoop



I totally agree on that. I thought the same smile.gif
sam shaw
QUOTE (perrito @ Nov 12 2008, 01:41 AM) *
i think that he is still dreaming, so what we saw is just what is about to happen few minutes later, but is not to late for hiro to run away with his pal.


i agree. i think hiro will have to stop time as soon as he wakes up and hopefully usutu will still be alive and arthur won't have got there. then teleport away. simple really biggrin.gif
Luk3
I personally hope that Hiro gets killed off :\

I doubt anyone else will agree with me.

And if Arhurt has all of Peter's powers then Arthur has molly walkers power to see where people are.
xeoh85
QUOTE (Hero2012 @ Nov 10 2008, 10:41 PM) *
All Hiro has to do is STOP TIME...
That's his power...Use it God d***. SMH
GO BACK 1 MIN And SAVE UTUTSU



If this is not part of the spirit walk, pausing time will NOT help Hiro... Arthur has time-space manipulation ability (because he took it from Peter). Thus, if Hiro paused time, Arthur would still be active in that paused moment with him (like when Future Hiro visited Peter on the subway in season 1).

-X
tetra3000
Ok heres my theory, 1. Aurthur saw into the future using Peters ability that he got off his mother. 2. He then used Peters other ability time and space to travel there. 3. He then used Peters other ability telekenisis to remove the painters head.
Aurthur has clearly acquired all of Peters abilities for now. Though with the eclipse coming, this may restore Peters powers back to him as the last eclipse was the moment where all their powers were born, as the trailer says.

Hiro has no escape but to go back or forward in time because if he stops time it will have effect no since Aurthur can do the same, as we saw in the episode in season 2 where Hiro stops time and Peter wasnt stopped.
Sabrwulf
QUOTE (tetra3000 @ Nov 15 2008, 11:55 AM) *
Ok heres my theory, 1. Aurthur saw into the future using Peters ability that he got off his mother. 2. He then used Peters other ability time and space to travel there. 3. He then used Peters other ability telekenisis to remove the painters head.
Aurthur has clearly acquired all of Peters abilities for now. Though with the eclipse coming, this may restore Peters powers back to him as the last eclipse was the moment where all their powers were born, as the trailer says.

Hiro has no escape but to go back or forward in time because if he stops time it will have effect no since Aurthur can do the same, as we saw in the episode in season 2 where Hiro stops time and Peter wasnt stopped.


The best I figure is Arthur would have to know that he has an ability in order to use it, right? The only ability the he knows that Peter had was the one he displayed in front of Arthur. We can't assume that since he absorbed Peter's powers, that he knows every single ability that Peter had or that Peter had more than one.

Peace Out!
Unsung Heroine
QUOTE (Sabrwulf @ Nov 15 2008, 11:11 PM) *
The best I figure is Arthur would have to know that he has an ability in order to use it, right? The only ability the he knows that Peter had was the one he displayed in front of Arthur. We can't assume that since he absorbed Peter's powers, that he knows every single ability that Peter had or that Peter had more than one.

Peace Out!


Nice try, but I think the fact that Arthur has been pulling the strings and has had people working for him he knows a lot more about Peter than that. In fact, it's highly likely that he knows more about what Peter can do than Peter does, due to his long history of experience in dealing with this type of thing.

Plus, Arthur seems to have an awfully good grasp of the powers he acquires pretty much instantly after he takes them. No other character, not even Sylar, has shown such an understanding of what they can do so quickly. This stops just short of implying that he has some sort of special awareness of the powers he has. Combined with the above, this makes your theory highly unlikely.
nexusofpower
QUOTE (Unsung Heroine @ Nov 16 2008, 05:23 AM) *
Nice try, but I think the fact that Arthur has been pulling the strings and has had people working for him he knows a lot more about Peter than that. In fact, it's highly likely that he knows more about what Peter can do than Peter does, due to his long history of experience in dealing with this type of thing.

Plus, Arthur seems to have an awfully good grasp of the powers he acquires pretty much instantly after he takes them. No other character, not even Sylar, has shown such an understanding of what they can do so quickly. This stops just short of implying that he has some sort of special awareness of the powers he has. Combined with the above, this makes your theory highly unlikely.


Yeah, I really think that an aspect of Arthur's power is that he can understand all the powers he absorbs, unlike Peter who needs to have witnessed the powers or used them by accident (through emotion)
Saviour
Which then makes sense that Arthur would want Sylar on his side, considering Sylar's power is more like his own than Peter's is.
nexusofpower
QUOTE (Saviour @ Nov 17 2008, 05:39 PM) *
Which then makes sense that Arthur would want Sylar on his side, considering Sylar's power is more like his own than Peter's is.


Actually, it's more to do with the fact that Sylar's incredibly powerful and intelligent, while Peter's really very stupid. And Arthur theoretically should have IA now (choosing to ignore all the theories that he didn't absorb IA), so maybe it's just the IA allowing him to understand all of Peter's powers
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