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Shadowrun
Sylar steals the ability to blow up objects with his mind. Now we only have to find out what the other two are and his ability roster will be complete.
grady_4546
i would have made his ability, like blending into shadows or something to explain how he hid from claire episode 1
LadyAvisynh
Grady: Or the freezing power he used on Molly's dad. That's what I thought it was going to be.
Hero2012
can u give me a few examples of what Sylar has 'blown' up with his mind??
Shadowrun
Well he still has two left, we'll just have to wait and see. Perhaps it'll be in tomorrows online comic. They do use those to fill in the gaps.
grady_4546
yeah, or that. smile.gif im just going to assume that these are the other 2 abilities he has. im guessing he took freezing first, so he could freeze mr walker and stop him from turning invisible and escaping
Cloud43
I just want to know WHEN he used those powers. Arrrgg..these continuity errors are starting to bug me. I LOVED this episode...but even my brother noticed and asked 'when has sylar used that power???'
NATamura
QUOTE (Shadowrun @ Nov 11 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Sylar steals the ability to blow up objects with his mind. Now we only have to find out what the other two are and his ability roster will be complete.


what you mean other two abitities? and how will his list be complete? i dont get you, sorry.
must watch the episode again to see what names were on that list.
Darth Carp
QUOTE (Cloud43 @ Nov 11 2008, 06:39 AM) *
I just want to know WHEN he used those powers. Arrrgg..these continuity errors are starting to bug me. I LOVED this episode...but even my brother noticed and asked 'when has sylar used that power???'

That is not a continuity error. Just because he hasn't used the power doesn't mean he doesn't have it. The ability seems rather pointless to Gabriel, anyway, as he could just blow things up like that with telekinesis.

QUOTE (NATamura @ Nov 11 2008, 08:03 AM) *
what you mean other two abitities? and how will his list be complete? i dont get you, sorry.
must watch the episode again to see what names were on that list.

It's been said for ages that there's 3 abilities that Gabriel has that we don't know about how he got them.
Fadzli999
You know what I think?

I think that sylar did take Trevor's power without even realizing it.

I think the "head cutting action" action is Trevor's ability.

Which is to create obbjects/tools in his mind.

You know, he points like a gun... *poof* he shoots like a gun...

It cant be his telekinesis that is cutting people's head off...

One more thing that support to what I'm saying. I did read this on another tread though.

"Here's a hot scoop Kristen on E! revealed recently about Sylar's abilities confirming that the "hunger" to have powers was "unnaturally provoked and can be controlled". She also confirmed that in Episode 3x08 we will learn that Sylar can actually absorb powers like Peter and does not actually have to slice open people's heads.

What do you guys think?
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
You will never see him use that ability as he was infected with the Shanti virus and lost all his powers. Later to get his base ability IA and TK back. dry.gif
dave6074
IT MAKES NO SENSE !!!!!
look i understand now that the Heroes fan are split into those who believe Sylar has his powers and those who think he doesnt have them all anymore...........

im going for the first myself.... because Sylar barely uses any of his other powers anyway so the fact that we only see him use telekenisis is just a coincidence.. and Sylar knew when Noah was trying to kill him through the vortex guy ( in the car he says so....)

sorry im of topic here

btw can somone actually say what all of Sylars abilities we know so far?
DiElle
QUOTE (dave6074 @ Nov 11 2008, 06:26 PM) *
btw can somone actually say what all of Sylars abilities we know so far?



he must have some kind of levitation (if this is not made with his TK too), when he killed Dale, she said she didn't hear any footsteps and he answers "That's because there weren't any"
Metal Gear Sylar
I think he does have some kind of hiding in shadows thing people keep saying, and i think he got that from Walker thats why he had to freeze him when he didn't know.
gogogo
I just feel if he becomes a good guy his powers will remain the same for me, id say kill on and get more powers then become good haha! go go go Sylar!!
Summer
HRG said something along the lines of "he has the ability to put any kind of powers into anyone..." in ep 8... or that's what i thought i heard...
BigDamnHeroes
QUOTE (Summer @ Nov 11 2008, 08:06 PM) *
HRG said something along the lines of "he has the ability to put any kind of powers into anyone..." in ep 8... or that's what i thought i heard...

"He is able to transfer abilities from one vessel to another. That's very rare." ?me thinks?
I'm pretty sure he can only take them... but what if he could teach them? tongue.gif
Unsung Heroine
QUOTE (Cloud43 @ Nov 11 2008, 12:39 AM) *
I just want to know WHEN he used those powers. Arrrgg..these continuity errors are starting to bug me. I LOVED this episode...but even my brother noticed and asked 'when has sylar used that power???'


The problem with this statement is that lack of information does not equal a continuity error.

I also think that there might be something to the theory that the skullsaw is actually an extension of Trevor's ability.

And about the Vortex guy point...come on. HRG kept looking at Sylar and it was obvious he was arguing with Claire about something. I would be suspicious and draw conclusions from that alone (anyone else recall the 'high school cafeteria' effect?). Not everything has to be explained by superpowers.
Alice20
I'm curious about Sylar as to how he was able to gain the telekinesis ability from Brian. I thought he used telekinesis to alter his brain so he could use these abilities. So I'm confused
Faslin
Watch again, just before Sylar opens Trevor's head up. Trevor attempts to fight back, and Sylar pushes him against the wall... there's a sound that happens for a second, but is stopped when Trevor is pushed against the wall... it sounds sort of like the sound of the ability that Sylar uses to open his head up, doesn't it?
My_Name_Is_Sylar!
To the person who said Trevor's power is the cutting people's head's open power. I'm not sure... Look at the scene again. He is cutting his head open with TK before he looked at the brain.

If you're arguing he is absorbing powers and didn't realise it. I don't know. They didn't imply that at all...
Faslin
I was just saying that the sound that started momentarily, when it looked like Trevor was about to fight back, sounded remarkably like the sound that occurs when Sylar opens peoples' heads up. I was wondering if anyone else thought these two sounds sounded similar.
My_Name_Is_Sylar!
I just rewatched the scene. It sounds a bit similiar.
nexusofpower
It's completely impossible for Trevor's power to be cutting-heads open. It's ridiculous to say anything like this. How could Sylar have used Trevor's power to steal Trevor's power? It's beyond stupid!!

@alice20: No. He doesn't use his TK at all in Ability Theft, but he does use it to open up people's heads
Faslin
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It's completely impossible for Trevor's power to be cutting-heads open. It's ridiculous to say anything like this. How could Sylar have used Trevor's power to steal Trevor's power? It's beyond stupid!!

Your reasoning is infallible. I concede to your point.

But really..
QUOTE (HeroesWiki)
Trevor is able to shatter items from at least a few meters away (Villains). The exact mechanism behind the shattering is unknown. He has only been seen to shatter glass items; what effect this power would have on less fragile materials is unknown, although he did seem to think it would make an effective weapon when threatened by Sylar. It's unknown whether it can affect non-solid objects.

His ability is not known completely. I believe that, with a bit of control, the force of Trevor's ability could be less destructive than what was used on the glasses, and we know that Sylar knows "how things work", so...

QUOTE (HeroesWiki)
To use his ability, Trevor aims at his target with his index finger and "fires" by flexing his thumb. Trevor apparently needs to make this gesture to use his power, as he was unable to defend himself when Sylar telekinetically pinned his hands to the wall.

These statesments are purely based on assumptions, it is not definitive that it needs to be "fired" for the ability to work. This could have been a gesture that he used to make his ability look more "cool". Maybe the ability originates from the index finger, and only needs to be aimed at the target (as we have seen Sylar do, on many occasions).

QUOTE (HeroesWiki)
Trevor had the ability of shattering, which allowed him break solid matter, although the full extent of his ability had not been seen he was able to shatter a solid glass whilst also making an attempt to use it upon Sylar.

All of the facts in HeroesWiki, about Trevor, are speculation at best (unless they have another source for their information).

Of course.. everything that I'm saying is also speculation, but that's pretty much all we can do right now, based on the information we have.
Unsung Heroine
QUOTE (My_Name_Is_Sylar! @ Nov 12 2008, 04:00 PM) *
To the person who said Trevor's power is the cutting people's head's open power. I'm not sure... Look at the scene again. He is cutting his head open with TK before he looked at the brain.

If you're arguing he is absorbing powers and didn't realise it. I don't know. They didn't imply that at all...


Doh! That's a pretty solid hole you've just blown in that theory. How dare you use logic against us!!! biggrin.gif

Seriously, though, I still can't help but think there may have been something more to Trevor's power. I mean, consider some of the other characters' powers and how just one isolated peek at the ability could give the wrong impression. For example, when Arthur killed Adam, it could have seemed that he had the ability to suck the life out of people, when in fact he was just stealing his power. Following that line of thinking, it just seems likely that Trevor's power could have been the ability to use TK like a tool, such as a gun....or a saw.

BUT...that still doesn't answer how Sylar was able to skullsaw Trevor without having seen his brain first. Unless we find out down the road that Sylar actually absorbs the powers passively. Until then, however, I will gracefully concede.
nexusofpower
QUOTE (Unsung Heroine @ Nov 13 2008, 04:22 AM) *
Doh! That's a pretty solid hole you've just blown in that theory. How dare you use logic against us!!! biggrin.gif

Seriously, though, I still can't help but think there may have been something more to Trevor's power. I mean, consider some of the other characters' powers and how just one isolated peek at the ability could give the wrong impression. For example, when Arthur killed Adam, it could have seemed that he had the ability to suck the life out of people, when in fact he was just stealing his power. Following that line of thinking, it just seems likely that Trevor's power could have been the ability to use TK like a tool, such as a gun....or a saw.

BUT...that still doesn't answer how Sylar was able to skullsaw Trevor without having seen his brain first. Unless we find out down the road that Sylar actually absorbs the powers passively. Until then, however, I will gracefully concede.


No, the skullsaw is entirely TK, there's lots of proof for it being TK, and only TK

Trevor's power, I assume, would have developed just like everyone else's powers developed. His destructive power would probably have gone up and up, kinda like mental explosions
Nick692
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It cant be his telekinesis that is cutting people's head off...


yeh it can.....
My_Name_Is_Sylar!
QUOTE (Unsung Heroine @ Nov 12 2008, 10:22 PM) *
Doh! That's a pretty solid hole you've just blown in that theory. How dare you use logic against us!!! biggrin.gif

Seriously, though, I still can't help but think there may have been something more to Trevor's power. I mean, consider some of the other characters' powers and how just one isolated peek at the ability could give the wrong impression. For example, when Arthur killed Adam, it could have seemed that he had the ability to suck the life out of people, when in fact he was just stealing his power. Following that line of thinking, it just seems likely that Trevor's power could have been the ability to use TK like a tool, such as a gun....or a saw.

BUT...that still doesn't answer how Sylar was able to skullsaw Trevor without having seen his brain first. Unless we find out down the road that Sylar actually absorbs the powers passively. Until then, however, I will gracefully concede.


No. I was saying that it doesn't make sense that Sylar was using his power to obtain his power. He would need to look at the brain first no?

However, if you're arguing that he absorbed his ability (unknowingly?) and then unintentionally started using it to cut his head open...that doesn't make sense either. How would he know he could do that? He looked very familiar with what he was doing and what power was he familiar with at that point? TK. biggrin.gif

You're right that there is no confirmation either way, but in my personal opinion it doesn't really make sense that he is not using TK. I don't mind Trevor's power being the "saw" power, but how could Sylar know that he had it at that point when he was killing him? He didn't hesitate at all.
nexusofpower
There's NO doubt about it, the skullsaw is telekinesis:

1) It's completely ridiculous to think that Sylar used Trevor's power before any brain inspection
2) Sylar lost Trevor's power due to the Shanti Virus, and yet he can still do the skullsaw
3) Peter does the skullsaw and yet has shown no sign of having absorbed Trevor's power
4) Trevor's power is 'Shattering', this could not possibly develop into the skullsaw
Unsung Heroine
I think I just have a hard time accepting it as TK becasue it's such a truly innovative use of the power. Maybe some other people who are more immersed in the world of comics and such have seen similar interpretations before, but it is just sort of mind boggling to me.

Maybe I could accept it more easily if the skull was being split in a place where 2 bone plates join together. Still, I'll give myself over 90% to the fact that it is TK (holding that 10% back on the chance that it is something else entirely...just because I can biggrin.gif ).

Now about that whole "Trevor's power is the skullsaw" thing -- talk about a 'Duh" moment for me! Can we keep this between us? I do have a reputation to uphold, after all.... wink.gif
Alice20
Random thought: What if there was an ability called skull saw haha
Raekon
- Sylar uses TK to to cut the heads open.

- Trevors ability would had obviously being able to be used without the need to point with his fingers but trevor either had just got the power and used it this way only or his power didn't had evolved more yet (which is actually almost the same thing. tongue.gif ).

- there are more remaining since there was two more victims on the fbi photos (a male and a female) and a young guy called David in the GNs.

- trevor obviously was only added because they intend to use this power in the show by letting sylar using it so we might see it soon (not sure, just saying that it looks like it).

- the shadow we saw behind claire when sylar was attacking her wasn't any ability of sylars but only a fx to show us how claire felt cause after this had happened like twice you see sylar standing up in the kitchen while he is bleeding and going then on the search for claire shortly before she can escape and "kills her".
nexusofpower
QUOTE (Unsung Heroine @ Nov 14 2008, 03:36 AM) *
I think I just have a hard time accepting it as TK becasue it's such a truly innovative use of the power. Maybe some other people who are more immersed in the world of comics and such have seen similar interpretations before, but it is just sort of mind boggling to me.

Maybe I could accept it more easily if the skull was being split in a place where 2 bone plates join together. Still, I'll give myself over 90% to the fact that it is TK (holding that 10% back on the chance that it is something else entirely...just because I can biggrin.gif ).

Now about that whole "Trevor's power is the skullsaw" thing -- talk about a 'Duh" moment for me! Can we keep this between us? I do have a reputation to uphold, after all.... wink.gif


eh, yeah sure. We won't tell, will we? laugh.gif The skullsaw looks really unlike the other stuff that Sylar does with TK

QUOTE
Random thought: What if there was an ability called skull saw haha


LMAO! But that would be like the worst power ever!
Fadzli999
Once again...

Just a thought... biggrin.gif
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