why everyone is ranting about the "wrong" time line? I really don't get the error...

there was 4 different time line:

1. present --> hiro ando and usutu

2. 18 months ago --> angela & athur

3. 1 year ago (which is the soon after season 1 flashback = so around April/May 2006)---> HRG, Gabriel Gray, Elle + Meredith, Flint & Mr Thompson.

but: this two stories don't took place in one day, obviously... They start 1 years ago and ended the days around the pilot S1' day.

so there are two little scene that are in a 4th time line:

4. the day before and the day of the Pilot S1 (i.e. 1 October), the train scene + HRG Elle and Mohinder's taxi.

It's obvious, from MrBennet /Elle finale scene: they're doing tracking sylar all this time "We're wrapped here-- just one more loose end. No,no,not that thing-- the other thing."
So Mr Bennet had two things: one is obviously Sylar... and they are back in NY investigating Chandra Suresh' murder. The second is Mohinder.
Elle said they "set a monster loose on the world". She wouldn't say that after just 2 kills (Brian Davis and the Travis guy...). you don't call it a "monster" after *just* 2 kills, don't you?

in the world, not in the city: Audrey Hanson said Parkan she had been tracking sylar in dozen state, but only few victims had their heads cut off... and the walkers where killed in the second ep, by the way... I'm not American, but I guess Sylar could go from NY (chandra's murder is 28 Sept) to LA (the walkers murder is 2nd Oct) in 4 days, couldn't he?

The whole dialog between Elle & Hrg, seems like a hackneyed theme between them, with Elle's regret and all.

We all recognize the pilot scene, I can't believe the writers would do such a reference without thinking what they where doing! It's their show, give the writers some credit!

You forget the part where Chandra Suresh tells Sylar that he suspected he was up to no good but the progress they made "together" clouded his judgement.

This episode did not show Chandra at all, supposebly he was helping Gabriel in finding these people but he was nowhere to be seen, Elle makes no mention of meeting Chandra (that I know of). We are lead to believe that Gabriel spent 6 months in "rehab" with Elle in which he was a decent guy, in these 6 months the writers thought it wise to make no mention of Chandra or the Company agent who was spying on him (Eden...funny how HRG made no mention of her at ALL, and they both were keeping tabs on Sylar at the time)

I dont know, it screams inconsistency to me.

No, I'm not saying this. I'm saying:

the Chandra/Gabriel as "patient zero" part happened before the first Elle/Gabriel. The list and the Map with the string in Gabriel apartment are the same of Chandra's...

I didn't say "Gabriel spend 6 months in rehab with elle", I said that the last scene happened in the pilot day i.e. the HRG/ELLE story arc of this episode last 6 months.

and for this I called it the 4th time line.

We know from S1 that Gabriel at some point in this 6 months, but before killing Chandra on Sept 28, built the secret crazy room with a map with lot more string and connection than the one we see in this epis. and the "forgive me" room...

we also know what Audrey said to Parkman: "I pieced a trail across a dozen states,a ll people impaled by
household objects, bones broken, all without any traceable sign of physical contact. But only some of them involve any
mutilation of the head or neck." (One Giant Leap)

and, in "Seven Minutes to Midnight" (Oct, 9th) : "You know, three months ago, my job made perfect sense to me. And then I pulled the Sylar case."

so in this 6 months, after the travis murder, he travels in a dozen states, killing many people, but only few specials, collecting his abilities, and attract FBI attention...

we can suppose: from first elle/gabriel scene to travis murder : few week (one, 2, 1 month... your choice), then HRG & Elle moved on (they had finished the job), while Gabriel completed his transformation into Sylar.

for what we know, Elle didn't know Chandra, and why would HRG speak about Eden with Elle in the first place? and HRG words "I get the feeling that we'll be tracking down Mr. Gray again soon." is certainly a hint that he is doing something.

Eden assignment was to spy Chandra, btw. not Sylar.


In S1, we never had Chandra helping Gabriel to find people... and when Chandra tells Sylar he was up to no good? I don't recall it. In the conversation on Chandra machine, Sylar blame Chandra for "helping him find his potential" while Chandra said "I've made you a monster?"

Im going to concede for now because I dont want to obsess over this any further, maybe later when im bored ill catch up on season 1 again.

You make good points but I still think theres something odd with the continuity

after the first vision of the "Villains", something sound odd to me, too... because i've watched "6 months Ago" last week. but then I re-watched this week episode and every piece fit in the right place...

Yeah, good explanation, been waiting for someone to clarify the matter and clear the accusations made at the writers.

you know, I'm sooooo tired of people dissecting the show just to find something to blame the writers for... I think it's useless! I guess some people have to be spoon fed the plot, with characters that explain every single action they made and so on.
I prefer re watch the show to find a clue that explain what seems odd to me (and usually I found it) before jumping and scream: "PLOT HOLE" or "BAD WRITING!"

Many thanks OP for posting this all

yeah, i can't see what problems people have been having with this. I found it all pretty easy to understand. If anyone's having difficulty, consult the HeroesWiki already! It has a full timeline of all the episodes so far!

People are really picking apart the show thesedays!! Seriously, the show's timeslot of 43 mins or something is very constraining for the writers. They can't put every little detail into the show!

Your post is extremely well though out, but I'm confused on some things. Mostly Chandra-Gabriel. I understand that Sylar killed Brian and then tried to commit suicide. The confusion is in season 1, it is implied that after he kills him he goes straight to visit Chandra. Is that incorrect?

Does he kills him, meets Elle, kills Trevor, THEN goes to see Chandra? Is that what they're saying happened? He had not seen Chandra since snatching the post-it note with Brian's name and yelling at him? If that's true, where did he get the map from? Surely he stole that from Chandra.

Arthur Petrelli was thought to be dead when Nathan's car got run off the road.

No way in hell he wouldve been at the hospital with them. They thought he was dead at that time.

The most sensible order is:

Kills Brian Davis --> Goes to see Chandra to show TK --> Starts making map of evolved humans --> Guilt kicks in now that the hunger has been surpressed --> Hangs self --> Saved by Elle



no, that's completely wrong. Re-watch Six Months Ago (or re-read the synopsis on heroeswiki) and you'll find that Nathan's crash came before Arthur's supposed death is announced

Arthur arrives at the hospital after the "accident" in this episode (Villains).

NO.

in 6MA we have

peter's party (peter and nathan discuss the trial against their own father)--- the accident --- Arthur die.

i think elle visted Gabriel after he jillde brian davis and when she and hrg pushed him he visted chandra and killed him 3 days. Hrg and Elle stayed to keep an eye on him and heard the people he killed(who we haven't seen yet) thats what they were taling about before HRG met Mohinder. Now the part when Hedi getting injured is after Peters party but before nathan visted his father before going to the party.

Where does Chandra's death fit into that?

-->Saved by Elle-->Kills Trevor-->For some reason goes to kill Chandra?

-->Saved by Elle-->Kills Trevor-->go travelling/killing in dozen state-->message on Chandra's machine---> kills Chandra
_________ /\ ______________________________ /\ ______________________________ /\

April/May 2006 ........................... the 3 months before the pilot ...................2 days before the pilot

Kills Trevor --> Sylar eager to find more abilities --> Chandra leads Sylar to two more abilities --> Chandra finds out about Sylar --> Sylar kills Chandra --> Events of Season 1

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Then the timeline does fit perfectly.

Although, one has to wonder why he didn't confess his guilt to Chandra instead of trying to commit suicide. I guess he didn't want to admit to him what he did? He was pretty reluctant to with Elle, even though she saved his life.

I guess feeling guilt for killing someone it's far too personal to confess it to anyone... and the catholic moral leave you alone with you sins... (we can say the grays were catholic, right?)

wow...


you guys realize that this is a fictional show right?

and not everything has to be perfectly explainable...


i mean just watch it and let your imagination fill in any "inconsistancies"


it's not like you're expected to know things that haven't been shown.

I watched S1 and S2 right before S3 started to get my friends caught up, you have no idea how many things fall into place just re-watching old episodes. The time line is fine, there are no inconsistencies. The "issue" with Chandra was probably a 43 minutes vs. getting the actor to come back thing. I think we're meant to just pick up where the flashback left off and fill in the rest with what we already know (unleash monster, chandra dies, enter season 1 "save the cheerleader, listen to her whine for 2 more seasons").

Nice one! You know, I never really thought about Claire being too whiny until I started getting deeper into the forums instead of just checking spoilers. Since then every time she's on screen I start having Vietnam-style flashbacks to high school and this friend of mine who is to this day the biggest whiner I have ever met. Totally annoying, but I still cut Claire-Bear a little slack because she's only supposed to be about 17. If she were 30 it would be a different story entirely.

Oh, and 3 cheers to the rest of your post as well. Very true, and I wish more people would share your attitude.

nbc made a mistake, after the strike: if only they'd made a re-run during the spring/summer...

Chandra was in a closet the whole time, my arguement wins.......