I've been trying my best to hang with Arthurs Powers. They obviously need someone uber powerful, but I can't get past a few things.

First; He was using Telepathy throughout the entire episode. Where did he get Telepathy? That was Murrys power and Arthur killed Murry without taking his powers.

Second; When Arthur took all of Peters abilities he took Hiros too. Arthur with Hiros ability = game over, end of story. I can see him traveling to Africa to kill Hiro in order to stop him from screwing with his plan...I'll buy that.

If he took the Africans precognition before he killed him AND has Hiros ability it's game over.

wheres the inconsistency?

he could have got telepathy from someone in the past, theres most than one person with a certain ability.

and who knows what Arthur did to Hiro, but ive read what he did but i won't say here seeing as its not the spoiler section

can you tell me lol havent read anything bout hiro so..

Telepathy was Maury's ability, however, I would bet that Telepathy is common in the Heroes world, and that Arthur picked it up from someone else.

And we don't know that Arthur took Hiro's ability, there was no aura being sucked out. Whether this'll be shown in the next ep, I don't know.

Hm, I don't think that Arthur took Hiro's Ability, because (1) he already absorbed it from Peter and (2) already used it to teleport to Africa The writers wouldn't dare to kill off Hiro now, so the only option left is that Arthur erased his memory or something like that... but there's need for a good "in-heroes" explanation later Arthur killed Usutu just like that and even wanted to kill Nathan once, but now he will probably just erase someones memory instead of killing him?! Maybe he was a good friend of Kaito?? Hm....

We'll see

I actually can't believe you called this topic "Inconsistancy with Arthur". It should be obvious to anyone who watches the show that more than one person can posess the same ability. Arthur clealry got the ability from someone else. Seriously, do you think before you post at all?

i think arthur inherited an ability to absorb others by injecting himself with the formula(?) then took someone without telepathy's powers... but his real power is to absorb by touch imho

I still think that Hiro is on his spirit walk at the end of the episode and that he see's himself waking up and running into Arthur much like Angela did in that one "dream" she had which put her in a coma.

I also think that most of the "inconsistencies" can be accounted for because it was Hiro's Spirit Walk and thus his interpretation of the past.

Then again I could be completely wrong...

lol...aura??? He takes your soul!

Although no power is being sucked out visually,
the sound that you hear is definitely the same sound made when he sucked the power from Peter and also Adam!

So its safe to assume that even if he does not do so, that is what he is intending to do

even though he already has time travel he will stick take hiros power so that he can stop him from trying to change anything. only one who can beat him now is probaly sylar or the haitian

Regarding the telepathy... IT'S NOT AN INCONSISTENCY!!! Seriously, ever thought that there are other people in the entire world of Heroes apart from Matt/Maury that have telepathy?

And I'm not sure about what Arthur did to Hiro. But he already has Space-Time manipulation from Peter, so he's already unstoppable. I've said it before, Arthur will only be beaten by Sylar and Peter(once his powers are back) teaming up

This isn't mere TP, as he is erasing memories from Angela. When he did that, I was thinking how similar it was too the Haitians power.

Also I don't know how Arthur got too Usutu's site,... sure space/time manip. is a possible answer. But I'm still a bit unsure.

I really think that the memory removal was an entirely different power. At the moment, TP is only sending/receiving thoughts and altering people's perception of reality.

And Arthur used space-time manip. (acquired from Peter) to get to Africa. I don't see how that's so hard to believe

I'm not saying that he didn't, only that we didn't see him do it. So you can't claim it when you haven't seen it.

gimme a break. that was a very poorly thought-out comment. Not everything that happens on the show is actually shown, and you know that

I'm not claiming that it had to be space-time manip, but there aren't any other sensible explanations as to how Arthur got to Usutu's house. If you can think of something better, then that's fine. But please don't pick at a tiny detail which can be explained very easily

Well, I'd rather see him use it myself before claiming that he is using the ability. Just the way I am.

i agree with nexus it has to be time-space-manipulation, the only other way he could've got there was by flight but why bother when you could be there in a second via TSM, and just cos you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen

I don't think there are inconsistencies about Arthur. He obviously already had a lot of powers (like persuasion, TP..) because his own main ability is to stole powers from people

The only problem for me is the fact that Angela has became evil too!
I mean, once she "killed" Arthur she'd have try and fix all the dreadful plans he was working on with Linderman..but she didn't do that, she actually became Linderman's partner in the attempt to destroy New York. Why she did so?

Did I misunderstand something?

Ye of little faith, Gibby?

As for how heroes travel the world in Single episodes will always be a mystery but It won't be explained, Ultimately It's for the drama.

Well, if it's something one should learn about cliff hangers, is that they almost never are what they are expected to be.
This isn't the first time they try to fool us.

So whatever it is that's happening on that ending scene, it's far beyond what it looks like.

Therefore I like Xavier Alucard's theory about the unfinished spiritwalk. Even thought it would turn out to be something else, it's still very clever.

the thing is she already knew about the plans and accepted their importance but not at the cost of any of her sons lives.

Well Angela dreamt that the exploding man was inevitable so it looks like she was in on the plans for New York, irrespective of Arthur. The thing I don't understand is that if the plan was for Peter to explode in NYC and Nathan to rule the post-explosion world, then why would Arthur try to kill Nathan? They must have changed them later on...

I think the original plan was "someone" to explode NYC and Arthur to rule the world. Angela didn't know it's was peter to blow up until the last episode...

no, she's known that Peter was the exploding man for quite some time. Believe me, in the last few episodes of Season 1, you get the impression she's known that Peter was going to explode for a fair bit of time

Angela knew all along that the plan had to be done to 'cure' the world...She knew it was Peter that was to blow up, but didn't want Nathan to die...

Nathan was going to expose Linderman, hence his father and his father couldn't do that therefore he 'had' to kill him to prevent that, but Nathans power manifested stopping his death...

The plan was always there...

....but Angela would kill her husband to save her son...

I think your all missing another inconsistancy too. If Arthur could just wipe memory's and implant thoughts with his version of TP, why didnt he just wipe Nathan's memory and impant the thought into his head that he wasnt going to investigate Linderman?

I mean Nathan didnt have any knowledge of his powers and we can all agree than Angela is very strong willed so Nathan shouldnt be a match for him. I know i ought to enjoy the show and not let every plothole bother me, but this is really starting to get out of control, so many inconsistancy's.

The only explanation is that Arthur resented his son not being born with a power that much he wished to kill him.

Thats not a plot-hole or an inconsistancy. Maybe you should look up those terms before you use them.

Pretty sure if arthur took the souls of his victims they'd die
Have you never heard of an aura before?

in the comic there was some b**** who had the power of aura absorbtion and she tried to take lindermans powers but linderman killed her.

Aurthur already has both Hiro and the Painters abilities, he wants them gone so they can mess his plans up. Though if Hiro teleports, which i bet he does when we see the next episode then Aurthur will have his work cut out. However with the eclipse coming, i think this will restore Peters powers as it was the Eclipse made their powers born (acording to the preview).

Giveing Aurthur all those powers has made the show a bit silly because he in invincible unless Hiro goes back in time and warns Peter about what his father will do when he meets him...for me thats the ONLY way. Or just kill him in the past

The only thing that really puzzles me tbh is why did Linderman restore Angela's memories? It must have been a coup, due to subtle threats from Arthur etc. As both Angela and Linderman carry out the exact same plan, with different Petrelli being possibly sacrificed.

Gee, this bothers me now! *applauds*

-Pause for thought-

Well, I think I have an explanation! I guess Arthur thought it would be much easier to kill Nathan now. We don't know the limits of Arthur's memory-removal, so it might not be permanent unlike the Haitian's. As in if Nathan goes into work the next day, and everyone's asking him about the case on the Linderman Group... it would probably bring back a few lost memories (unlike Angela- who had no one to remind her of Arthur's intentions until Linderman). And although Angela might have been lying, she did say that Arthur was mentally unwell (he had some sort of Major Depressive Disorder or something) so I guess his actions are those of a madman's

the haitians memory wipe isnt permanent either.remember peter recovered from it

Peter used RCR. Otherwise, the Haitian's mind-wipe is permanent

mmm... are you sure?




In order for the brainwashing/erasing to work, Arthur would've had to have targeted everyone at Nathan's DA office at least. Everyone that knew about the case would need to be tracked down. Killing Nathan was a far simpler solution, especially when he didn't want to clue in Angela and the others to his plan.

Why doesn't Hiro travel back and kill Arthur as a kid,.... sure its not a perfect example as you wouldn't have Peter, etc. But it would resovle things too quickly, and this is TV at the end of the day. Getting me?

What is inconsistant is with Arthur's Death a year ago. In Season 1, Episode 3, Angela clearly tells Peter that his father died on a Heart Attack in the bathroom. Nathan later backs that up and confirms Arthur's mental illness (3 attempted suicides). But in Hiro's vision, we see him die in the dining room.

Now if Angela was the only one dealing with that, I can live with that "story". However Nathan came in while the Haitian and Angela were getting ready to dispose of the body and found his father collapsed. The plot then thickens when, after they reach the hospital, they are told that he died of a massive heart attack.

So when Peter asked in Episode 3 (season 1) if Nathan knew of their father's mental illness, Nathan said yes.

So is Nathan and his mother plotting against Peter at that point?

And I won't go into the fact that logicially, Angela and Nathan should have requested to see the body...that seems fishy there for a start. Beharps a boating accident would have been a much better option.

Also, a question in another thread about Arthur's sudden emergence of Telepathy -in this episode we see he had telepathy even back then. Where he got that from remains a mystery.