I know they are two parts of a whole...but...

OY.

I don't even know whether to be excited or happy

And Sylar making an empathic connection almost made him not apt to understanding the ability, so I guess he has to figure that aspect of his ability out

think about it he understood what elle was "feeling" and how she was so i think when he touches someone
that he understands he can get there ability

Doesn't a part of you at least like how his ability fits so neatly between Peter's and Arthur's, while still carrying a pinch of his own IA? I thought it was cool how they completed the set, so to speak, and at the same time positioned Gabriel squarely between good and evil.It really brings a whole new dimension to the name Gabriel Gray, doesn't it?

I'm lovin' it.

I completely agree. I feel like the last few seconds of the episode really was showing the two sides that are forming up. I think that Nathan is also in the middle. He could be the downside for the "Primatech" side. And I think Sylar being on the "Pinehearst" side will be it's downfall. He's the "in." He's going to actually be on the Angela/Peter side.

I'm excited about seeing what happens. Protecting Claire, Getting Peter's powers back, Sylar and everything.

I'm actually a little less worried about Hiro now. I'm not sure what role he's gonna play with this new plot twist, but I'm really glad that they made Claire more important again. Her storylines had been letdowns until now.

He needs to die off. They've slaughtered his character so much that he sucks now. IA and EM are two completely different abilities, I can't wait until they fumble their way through this explanation.

I gotta agree that they've really "stuffed up" Peter this season, now making Gabriel the most special and the most powerful. Now he basically has Peter's ability too.

It just amazes me to see over and over how they always make up excuses bringing new stuff upon sylar changing almost the whole character only for longelivity reasons. Of course he needed to absorb abilities by touch now.
Otherwise the crappy excuse of a "hunger" wouldn't go away and he would have to make another attempt on Elle and eventually kill her this time.

It makes me hate this character more and more really.
Now all they need to do is something like "Sylar betrayed his daddy and killed him to save the universe so he can go back to mommy that loves him sooooo much".

Welcome to the Sylar Show! Bleh.

you know what this means , say goodbye to the head slicing

You guys need to Loosen up, This is amazing! Don't you get it? That is why telekinesis is his Prime power because it unlike all the other powers was absorbed by Empathic Mimicry not Intuitive Aptitude. Maybe Intuitive Aptitude is a side effect of Empathic Mimicry. Or just a corrupted version that Peter was able to absorb.

I'm amazed I'm the only one asking if they are twins,.... not just here but on even on 9th aswell. If the last episode didn't stir the question, then give yourself a slap for me!

Plz do not come back with the, "but the writers said"

I'm starting to think Arthur has the same power as sylar, only combined with telepathy it becomes more powerfull. As you can more easily "feel" what other people feel and make them forget themselves how they "feel" when using the power.

Altough I would say that's a pretty lame excuse.

Sylar! Get a new life! You know you can be the greatest psychologist ever now

Gabriel never had the chance to develop EM as Angelas dream forced him away to an environment where he feels frustrated and you also having the ticking noises of clocks. This would have helped develop his IA.

Peter decided to work in an environment where you need to feel for others,... nursing. This developed his EM.

Its just recently that Gabriel has started to feel for others, and this is why the ability is now active.

nothing more simple than that: Peter and Gabriel are twins and they inherited their father power, but this split in two. Before we've seen Gabriel teach Peter how to access to is IA part, and now Gabriel learn how to access to his empathic part.

I love it!


and we've an hint when he save Claire from the vortex "when i touched your hand I'd feel the pain i caused you", he said.

I've raised this topic before on how IA and EM seemed like they should have been the one ability. This is also raised somewhere in Wiki aswell.

Please tell me why IA and EM shouldn't be one?

so is it like Peters where if he's near someone he absorbs it or does he HAVE to touch the person to gain the ability?

looks like sylar will never be evil again

It seems so. Perhaps Sylar has to harness some sort of telepathic ability a la Vulcan.

Well not neccesserily, Look at what side he's on.

I remember the topic! Brilliant. Are You Mr"got-heros"- Isaac?

Hardly,.... as this one isn't too hard too string together.

Man honestly I really wanted to like Peter... But with the direction this season is turning they are turning him into a filler style character... where Sylar has stepped in and taken reign on his character as the new highlight. Geez Now Sylar can take powers with out killing them? Crazzzy

I think the writers already informed us that Peter and Sylar are NOT twins, but I can't remember where I saw that article. I actually have to agree with Shadowrun. I think they should have left Sylar dead after the first season.

You need to brush up youur knowledge mate as its common news to lots that it was confirmed that they were twins.

I think I've worked out their powers now. He wasn't using Empathic Mimicry exactly.

Sylar can understand how the brain works, before he examined their brain, now his discovered that he can examine them by feeling their emotions and thoughts, understanding "how they work". It's still within his ability.

Peter absorbs abilities emphatically, like how Sylar copied Elle's, but with Peter's personality his empathy is "always on", therefore always absorbing.

Or his EM has never been nutured or activated and he never absorbed any powers,..... so just recently its been activated and the first person whose power he has absorbed is Elles.

He has IA and helped Elle take control through the emotion of forgiveness. He identified this and made the connection.

Mind if I attempt an amature explanation?
It doesn't seem unreasonable that Arthur--assuming he wasn't lying--gave Gabriel to a Primatech family. He wouldn't have trusted a normal adoption agency, and we know from the only other prior example, Claire, that they prefer Primatech Agents to raise important people. Considering Mr. Grey's job--whether it be cover, retirement, ect.--it's possible he too had the ability of Intuitive Aptitude; after all, Gabriel uses a watch to teach the ability to Peter.

My amature explanation is that his base power is Empathic Mimicry, and he learned IA from his adoptive father. Until last night I always wondered...how does understanding how something works change one's DNA so the user can throw things with his mind? Basically, he could use EM to learn the abilities, but remember how much trouble Peter had early on? Instead of practicing in the same manner as Peter--as Sylar did not know of his EM, he used IA to learn how the abilities worked, hince making the learning curve much, much shorter.

By the way, don't mourn the "death" of the best serial killer on the show just yet. From the last episode, it looks like Elle's his strength, but that also makes her his weakness. He could easily be one dead girlfriend from his old head slicin', psychotic ways.

Nice post,.... I think you may have something with the fact that Gabriel must have been using EM on some sort of level to actually absorb the power as it was always questioned how he actually altered his DNA to use the power.

The same thing could be said of Empathy, how does it change your DNA? "Understanding" is more like riding a bike, once you understand how to - you can do it.

The power isn't just empathy, it's empathic mimicry. The very nature of the ability is to copy other abilities (hince the "mimicry" part). IA, on the other hand, is just understanding how something works. And to counter the bike example, does learning how lightening works let you controll it with you brain?

yes

can you teach me how? There's a couple of people at my school who would be fun target practice

I'm pretty sure the it was spilled that Peters DNA changed naturally for him when absorbing powers. Also it was mentioned that IA was the understanding of powers,.... not the understanding powers and already having it.

Because this would have too imply that Gabriel was preprogrammed with all abilities, and this would actually contradict his base ability of IA, the understanding of powers.

We need more info, as there's still a clear distinction between the two. Well, between Peter and Sylar's base abilities. I'm not sure if IA is something Sylar picked up from someone else or not, like his 'father'.

Peter doesn't need to get all touchy-feeling to gain an ability. He picks up by proximity alone. Sylar has to connect emotionally, Peter does not. He just has to be near someone. Doesn't even have to meet them or talk to them. It seems we have an actual Empath (Sylar) and an Empathic Mimic (Peter). Both allow them to take abilities, but they function differently. You can argue it's because Peter was in a better environment, but you know, the whole Claude/Peter scenario makes a lot more sense to me now.

Most of what Claude said didn't apply to Peter, period, despite his experience with someone prior to Peter. But his advice--disconnecting emotionally from other people when he has to; not connecting with mentally ill people--fits Sylar now. Peter can pick up abilities from messed up people all day long (Niki, Elle, etc), but Sylar exposing himself to the emotions of others would logically have a bad effect on him in some cases, like if that person is insane. It seems Claude thought Peter was an Empath, but he's actually a mimic who does not need to connect, thus Claude's advice didn't apply. It turned out to be more based on Peter's own emotions rather than that of others.

You can even argue Peter--well, if he gets it back--has the better base ability. If they stick to them not being twins, don't be surprised if Peter is the younger one, the slightly improved model. If Sylar connects to the wrong person...

I did enjoy this episode a lot, BUT this comment highlights a point. Heroes is getting a little too touchy, Feely for me!

SYLAR CRYING!!

Bring on the Hatian and lets stop this Power-flux!

Remember ABSOLTE POWER CORRUPTS! It did with F-Peter, nearly did with Present-Peter
and only didnt because his personality meant he did not have absolute power and never would have.
I see DOOM for someone very soon, there is just too much power swirling about!!

Hiro and Ando part was VERY funny and I am usually annoyed by Hiro's antics!
Hiro is actually more mature as a ten year old then as an adult??

Also loved the way Ando fearlessly launched himself at Arthur!

Intuitive Aptitude Mimicry. Name changing time.

maybe he has to touch them in order i know how their feeling, as he uses Bridget's ability to look at their past. and like empathise for them.

How did Gabriel previously use abilities before discovering EM?

Explain how, if Peter connects to an ability using proximity he can later wield the ability out of proximity of the person he took it from?

You think I just pull random ideas out of a hat or something? The evidence is mounting for the twin idea and answers many things that people previously thought were plotholes.

excellent point. i nearly forgotten about him having bridgett's ability. that could be the reason how his ability has evolved. bridgett's ability + arthur's guidance and viola, a more powerful and emapthetic sylar...

yeah, everything has been screwed. Peter and Sylar's abilities are too similar. I liked it before, when everyone had their own thing. Peter had his empathic mimicry, Sylar had his slicing-people's-brain-open thing...All was good. But now neither Peter or Sylar are unique. They're basically the same except that one is more morally grey than the other.



i dont see why everyone is so negative towards heroes nowadays. sure, giving peter and sylar virtually the same ability was a bad move, but heroes is heroes. i'll always be watching it, whether i agree with the plot they've made or not.

That is, of course, unless they kill Peter. I dont think i could forgive the writers for that.

I'm going to agree with Gibnobi on the twins issue. When twins are born, they may not look alike, but they have the same DNA, same blood type, and same genetics and in this case, probably the same abilities. One being stronger in each, I.E Sylar with IA and Peter with EM. Its very possible that the two both have the same abilities but how would they know unless someone told them? Sylar might have picked up everybody's power from just being around them but he had the sense of IA and when Arthur told him he could use empathy to get powers, he then knew he didn't have to see in side their head. Peter was around more people than Sylar so he picked up on more powers that would make him believe he was special, (Precog dreaming, mind reading). This is why he learned that all he had to do was to be near them. I mean, this would makes lots of sense for them to just be twins and it would answer lots of questions.

I gonna miss head slicing lol. BTW isnt Aurthur scared that Sylar will mimic his ability and take all of his leaving him powerless??? He should be!!!

You are right about a lot of things pertaining to twins but no twins will have the same hormones. And accordingly to mohinder, abilities are tied to the adrenaline, aka the stress-control hormones. So even if they are twins will not explain why they have the same ability...

yeh but he ment that the abilities where activated by the adrenaline not that the actual ability the person has is because of there adrenaline. It all comes from the brain thats why sylar checks the brain when he use to steal powers so similar DNA would cause them to have similar brains answel i guess (im a computer scientist i dont know much about biology or whatever lol)

Niki, Tracy and Barbara were identical triplets, but they all manifested different powers (Super Strength, Freezing and Unknown) But then again, they were all injected, so I guess that might be a factor

I think it was good to make Sylar able to access abilities without the brain inspection thing... but it should not have been because of Empathy. It should have been a new aspect of his IA (e.g. so from observing powers he can understand how they are performed and alter his DNA to mimic them) rather than making it Empathy, which is kinda just ripping off Peter

i think they did it to make it more epic or maybe jus so that authur wudnt have to say such a mouthfull "gabriel you have another aspect of intuitive aptitude that helps you alter your dna which basically has the same effect as empathic mimicry"

Lol

But still, empathy is just completely different to understanding/logic, so it doesn't really fit. And Arthur could have just as easily said, "Gabriel, you still don't understand what you're really capable off. When you truly understand, you won't need to kill to take powers any more."

As you can tell, Gabriel with empathy really ticks me off If you're reading this writers (as they do sometimes ), you made a very bad move

yeh bothers me aswel . they were like neo and smith. opposites .it just annoys me that they are basically the same now. after this season who will there be left to fight? theyll have to make up some new villain that just pops out of nowhere or it will jsut be about them catching all the level 5 guys or something.

Check these 2 pages out.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_twin

nice one obi