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Got Heroes > Heroes: Episode Discussion > Season Three > Volume Three: Villains > 3x09 - "It's Coming"
chantal
We know that Arthur doesn't have the haitians power so how was he able to earase hiro's mind? I think it is a seperate ability by itself which means the haitian has 2 abilities or it is another level of matts power??
Hisuka
he also did it to angela in the previous episode...
The DOKTOR
I think this power has more to do with Maury than with the Haitian. I don't think Arthur erased Hiro's mind. he just got him stucked at a 10 year old level.
Ando
I've said it before and I'll say it again, With Telepathy, The sky is the limit.
Cylar
"Whatever the mind controls, you control"-Bob Bishop
SandmanX
"Thoughts are the shadows of our feelings — always darker, emptier, simpler." - Nietzsche.
loyalkng
I think its gonna be really interesting to see how Hiro gonna handle getting back his true aged memories and with out his power to aid him from the foreshadowing for the next episode post eclipse.
Shadowrun
It was most likely the Haitian's ability. There is no way The Haitian is going to show up and subdue Arthur so anticlimactically. If he has his ability he'll be able to fight back.
Sylar72
There's been duplications and vairations of the same ability, like Nathan/Claire, the Parkmans, etc. With evolution, it's expected.

That being said, he's probably picked up an ability similar to the Haitian's at one point. Could be why Utusu didn't see him coming and Maury didn't try anything on Arthur.
valt27
QUOTE (Sylar72 @ Nov 18 2008, 08:38 PM) *
That being said, he's probably picked up an ability similar to the Haitian's at one point. Could be why Utusu didn't see him coming and Maury didn't try anything on Arthur.


Is that possible? I mean, if Arthur is to be anywhere near the Haitian - then his "power-taking" ability should be gone, thus he couldn't be able to take the Haitian's ability...
zuckuss
I think its something similar to Parkman's. He trapped Hiro in his own mind to make him believe he was Ten.
Cruiser.I
QUOTE (valt27 @ Nov 19 2008, 10:00 PM) *
Is that possible? I mean, if Arthur is to be anywhere near the Haitian - then his "power-taking" ability should be gone, thus he couldn't be able to take the Haitian's ability...


The Haitian's ability to stop ability is not turned on all the time... You dun see Elle's hand being electically charged all the time do you??? Neither is Flint or Meredith hands always on fire??? The heroes have to turn their abilities on.

Also, there was this classic scene in S1 when Noah and the Haitian got Nathan cornered, in his PJs, but he still flew away. Reason being the Haitian did not know Nathan had an ability then so did not turn on his ability to surpress him from flying away.
zuckuss
QUOTE (Cruiser.I @ Nov 19 2008, 09:14 AM) *
The Haitian's ability to stop ability is not turned on all the time... You dun see Elle's hand being electically charged all the time do you??? Neither is Flint or Meredith hands always on fire??? The heroes have to turn their abilities on.

Also, there was this classic scene in S1 when Noah and the Haitian got Nathan cornered, in his PJs, but he still flew away. Reason being the Haitian did not know Nathan had an ability then so did not turn on his ability to surpress him from flying away.

Maybe the Haitian's powers only work on gentic abilities. When Hiro and Daphnie were in the Movie theater, he didn't know they were there. I think he just has to be around. As where we have found out recently that Nathan was injected with an ability, thus making his DNA different.
valt27
Cruiser is right, I think. Thanks for clearing that out for me...
jmak
QUOTE (Cruiser.I @ Nov 19 2008, 10:14 PM) *
The Haitian's ability to stop ability is not turned on all the time... You dun see Elle's hand being electically charged all the time do you??? Neither is Flint or Meredith hands always on fire??? The heroes have to turn their abilities on.

Also, there was this classic scene in S1 when Noah and the Haitian got Nathan cornered, in his PJs, but he still flew away. Reason being the Haitian did not know Nathan had an ability then so did not turn on his ability to surpress him from flying away.


This has been much debated. The scene where Matt tries to mind read HRG is particularly problematic, 'cos it seems that the Haitian's blocking his abilities without having to turn on his own. Sure Matt's able to penetrate it slightly, but it still means his ability is activated at all times. The examples you gave are all physical abilities, while the Haitian's mental.

On that note, some also thought the Haitian was only able to block mental powers, but in season 2, we see Peter not being able to shoot lightening out of his hands with the Haitian around. As much as I hate to say it, I do think it's an inconsistency overlooked by the writers.
Cruiser.I
QUOTE (zuckuss @ Nov 19 2008, 10:19 PM) *
Maybe the Haitian's powers only work on gentic abilities. When Hiro and Daphnie were in the Movie theater, he didn't know they were there. I think he just has to be around. As where we have found out recently that Nathan was injected with an ability, thus making his DNA different.


works only on naturals and not synthetics... that could be a good explanation which i will buy.

another possibility is maybe because he had 1 half of the formula on him in the movie theatre, which is so darn important. So he decides to turn it on to prevent anyone with ability from sneaking up on him to snatch the half away. just my thought.

QUOTE (jmak @ Nov 19 2008, 11:20 PM) *
This has been much debated. The scene where Matt tries to mind read HRG is particularly problematic, 'cos it seems that the Haitian's blocking his abilities without having to turn on his own. Sure Matt's able to penetrate it slightly, but it still means his ability is activated at all times. The examples you gave are all physical abilities, while the Haitian's mental.

On that note, some also thought the Haitian was only able to block mental powers, but in season 2, we see Peter not being able to shoot lightening out of his hands with the Haitian around. As much as I hate to say it, I do think it's an inconsistency overlooked by the writers.


well, hiro's ability is mental too, to a certain extent. and we dun see time stop wherever he goes. only when he blinks while wobbling his cheeks, or when ando makes him blink (haha)... but still the Haitian's ability is still very much a mystery to all of us and i m sure it will be explained in the next 2 episodes when peter and nathan teams up with him in Haiti...
nexusofpower
Well, Arthur's been alive for a very long time, and he's known about his power for over 30 years. He's had all that time to take heaploads of powers, so it's impossible to tell whether the memory erasing is an enhanced aspect of Telepathy, or another power entirely

The Haitian's power is always active unless he deactivates it, like when he lets Nathan fly away (because Nathan is Angela's son after all, and the Haitian would do almost anything for Angela). And Arthur couldn't have taken the Haitian's power, because the Haitian still has his power!
Zurui
I don't really know what to think, but keep in mind a couple of things:
The Haitian can stop physical abilities. The healing ability doesn't work around him. That's why future Peter died.

Also, his power is "off" whenever he is knocked out. We've seen that in several scenes.

Though I'm not saying it happened, I think it's entirely possible that Arther CAN take the Haitian's ability.
But I hope he doesn't >_>
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE (nexusofpower @ Nov 19 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Well, Arthur's been alive for a very long time, and he's known about his power for over 30 years. He's had all that time to take heaploads of powers, so it's impossible to tell whether the memory erasing is an enhanced aspect of Telepathy, or another power entirely

The Haitian's power is always active unless he deactivates it, like when he lets Nathan fly away (because Nathan is Angela's son after all, and the Haitian would do almost anything for Angela). And Arthur couldn't have taken the Haitian's power, because the Haitian still has his power!


Great point, as he would have had to rely on TP all the time due to being bed ridden. We know TP in Matt and Maury isn't on all the time, as Matt has shown control in not reading Daphnes mind on a few occasions.

But with Arthur he may have had to use this ability more frequently. But everyone forgets that if it turns out Arthur actually had IA all the time then he should be able to surpass Maury and Matt potential with the ability. Linderman in the flashback episode implys that Arthur has had a hand in creating many of Lindermans fronts and business interests. Plus his card skills in the GN.
neddac
QUOTE (Obi-Wan Gibnobi @ Nov 19 2008, 06:13 PM) *
Great point, as he would have had to rely on TP all the time due to being bed ridden. We know TP in Matt and Maury isn't on all the time, as Matt has shown control in not reading Daphnes mind on a few occasions.

But with Arthur he may have had to use this ability more frequently. But everyone forgets that if it turns out Arthur actually had IA all the time then he should be able to surpass Maury and Matt potential with the ability. Linderman in the flashback episode implys that Arthur has had a hand in creating many of Lindermans fronts and business interests. Plus his card skills in the GN.



He know alot about IA/Hunger too!! And how to pimp out his dead friend's daughter!!! Respec'!!!
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