Most of the episode was good. But generally it was one of the worst.

Why? Because Hiro's memory was erased and he thinks he is 10 years old! That is the most annoying thing I've ever seen in the series. I loved Hiro's personality. The way he isn't embarrassed of screaming out "I did it" in public even though he is an adult. It perfectly reflects the prejudices of Japanese people.

I laughed during every scene with him... And know the Hiro spirit is completely destroyed. So how long will this madness continue? I hope he will get back his memory soon, otherwise there will be a lot of humorlessness in the following episodes.

I know. The whole thing was just childish and pointless. Honestly, I thought that it's a time Hiro to grow up. I know that he has a child like personality and all, but I was hoping for the writers to add some depth into his character , and development. Since Season 1, so many things have happenend to him, and he isn't well enough developed. He is still the same.

I HATED IT!!! Everyone else seemed to love it, but it was the most awful thing from the entire season, probably the most awful thing they've ever done to a character in the whole series! Hiro's comical plot has always been about subtly inserting occassional jokes into a plot that is still interesting and relevant. Not making his whole storyline into a complete joke!

And when absoultely everyone else is doing important and relevant things, it was infuriating to see Hiro prancing around like this. It was the most stupid thing ever, and the writers deserve to be smacked on the head for putting such crap into the show. Season 3 has been fast-paced, exciting and thrilling so far, and putting something like this in amongst all the action is the most idiotic thing i've ever seen.

-rant over btw-

^what he said.

Dudes, what is a matter with you. Why was that part so annoying to you? Stop acting as though this is permanent, it isn't that much of an issue since it's pretty much confirmed Hiro's memories will be restored by The Haitian soon. I mean seriously, the whole point of this was to highlight two things - to show some Mercy from Arthur, he blatantly had no intention of killing Hiro, and before anyone argues this, be realistic, why would Arthur remove his memories and THEN kill him? This was a way of basically deactivating Hiro for the time being, so he is a lesser threat to Arthur, his skill level remains the same, he's just lost the knowledge that usually guided him to his decisions... the again, Hiro's power is potentially the most dangerous in the wrong hands. Which brings me to my next point, are you all so utterly humourless that you found no amusement in seeing what a 10 year old would do with that kind of power? Maturity isn't a factor, just take this at face value and see the writers were trying to show what a typical kid would do if they could stop time.

^ I like Hiro's memory loss. He's the least 'soap opera' character there is on the show. It is Ando's chance to teach Hiro all about being a hero, everything Hiro told him from Season 1 on... and gives us more '9th Wonders' to enjoy.

You all need to get a grip of yourselves. Your spreading Negative views and frankly just pissing me off. There was nothing wrong with Hiro it was light hearted humor. Sorry but Now your just being god d*** negative.

Quoted for truth.

We might as well rename these sections for recently aired episodes to 'The place for bitchfits and unnecessary nitpicking’.

Fair enough, there is such a thing as constructive criticism but a majority of what I’m reading these days actually makes me think if this is what the fans have to say, I wouldn’t want to see what the haters have in mind. Blah blah, some people say it’s because they love the show so much they’re left feeling disappointed but for god’s sake, fans need to be grateful for small graces.

I think it is okay for the memory loss because that means that nothing bad happens to him(would go bad if he was harmed).

I agree with most everyone here. When Ando asks "How old do you think you are?" and Hiro responds with something along the lines of "What are you talking about? I'm 10!" I was just like darn it, another dumb plotline!

Guess i'll just wait this out, hopefully it won't take long for Ando to get his power though. Then those villains are in trouble! >=D

I loved it. I found it very funny and it worked well on the comedy side. It's better than Arthur giving Hiro the kill. I think what Athur was hoping to do anyway was to erase his entire memory but because Ando jumped in and made the save it couldn't go through.

At he end of the day Heroes maybe a Drama show but to keep it fun and exciting we need that fresh bit of comedy to keep it alive. That's what Ando and Hiro bring to the table.

Can't really on serious stuff all the time.

Also reminded me of the things I loved when I was a kid.

And If had Hiro's power and was made to think I was 10 years old I'd pretty much be doing the same as Hiro. Except I'd probably replace a comic store with a Transformers or GIJOE Store. But there's no more cool 80's stuff around anymore except for Ebay.

Besides it be nice to see something other then Time Travel saving the world this time. Let Hiro stay out of this one he's already saved the world twice... give him a break.

I rather have a powerless Hiro than a humorless.

I guess the writers had to eliminate the time travel powers, but I still think it's frustrating that hiro knows nothing. It doesn't matter if Ando teaches him how to be a hero, Hiro needs his own life experience back. Maybe Claire's blood can heal the memory, like Peter's did.

Sure, Hiro as a 10 year old is a silly, frivolous, debatably irritating plot device.

Unless you consider the fact that it finally gives Ando a chance to take charge and have his moment to shine. It's all on him to keep Hiro safe now and make sure he gets back on track. I've liked Ando very much from the start, and I'm glad that he's getting his chance to be a hero now, too.

There's also the part where we all KNOW this isn't going to last forever, just like Sylar as a good guy. Anyone who has ever studied the Hero Myth knows that this is a classic step in every hero character's journey.

So for now I'm just going to sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Anyone with me?

for those who are so against how the plots are turning out... just stop watching ok. cos u will never undstd what heroes is all about and the true meaning behind those plots!!!!

The point of a forum is to be a place for debates and discussions, where you can post and share your thoughts and opinions... But as soon as you post an opinion, you get those comments that you spread negative views and you should stop watching heroes.

It's not what this is about. This is about sharing your thoughts about Hiro's new behaviour and how you think that affects the show. If you disagree with the crowd, you are welcome to say why you think otherwise. But please respect other people's opinions. Why should every post contribute to spreadeing flowers and happiness, and tell everyone how wonderful the show is? Since we already have watched almost 3 seasons, we obviously like the show, and there is no need to tell that in all of our posts.

Absolutely one hundred per cent with you. Just like Arthur's rein of terror won't last forever and just like Peter won't be powerless forever. I find it strange that some long time viewers are complaining about the oddest things and expecting some plots to be resolved instantly. It's like they've never seen Heroes before. My only issue is that this particular twist doesn't drag on for longer than necessary.

I'm also an Ando fan. Considering how this season started out with Hiro thinking that Ando was going to betray him in the future, it's a great way of showing that Ando is more than capable of stepping up when he has to and is still a loyal friend. And more importantly, it shows that what Hiro saw isn't the full story.

I agree with Unsung's point about this being a plot device for Ando, but that almost seems to be a by-product of this plot rather than an intention

My problem is that this plot seemed to be created on no other basis than a bit of comic relief. What's wrong with a good, strong plot that has comic appeal? Think of the first few episodes of this season, with Hiro and Daphne going after the two halves of the formula. I don't know about everyone else, but I found those parts absolutely hilarious. And on top of that, they were very significant to the plot. I love how the writers include lots of light-hearted comic appeal in Hiro's part (I'm afraid that the others just can't quite pull off humour to the same extent) but this was going a bit too far, no?

And lots of people seem to be responding stupid, fanboy comments like "Well if you don't like the show, don't watch it!" and so forth. This is not helpful to anyone at all, and that is in itself spreading a sort of negative, almost fascist "You must love every single tiny aspect of Heroes" kind of view. The show needs some constructive criticism, because it is not perfect, and the writer's read forums like these, so they could use a helping hand with what we fans like and don't like, ok?

I agree with those who aren't too big on the new Hiro plot line. Don't get me wrong, what he did in the bowling alley was hilarious and I enjoyed it. However, let's be honest please. This is just another plot added to force Hiro out of the main story. Hiro is not the only person to suffer from this nonsense.

Peter, Sylar, Matt, and Hiro all suffer from this issue. They've become so powerful that they constantly need to be written out of the story.

Matt trapped in Africa
Hiro trapped in Africa, now reduced to a child
Peter trapped in Jessie's body, then goes to the future, now powerless
Sylar now good, so he never wants to use his full power on anyone and would prefer to be attacked as he feels he "deserves it".

This is getting absolutely ridiculous. Are these characters never going to use their full potential? Hiro is hilarious and I love his character, so don't get me wrong. But let's be honest here. This was done to push him out of the way (which makes one wonder what the point of his little spirit quest was???)

This goes to anyone interested, it's not directed at anyone specific.

Ya know, this isn’t a simple case of us defending the show blindly, nor is it as simple as fanboys VS members with ‘constructive criticism’. What I’ve seen here recently is mostly unnecessary complaining and weak unjustified comments. Anyone with any understanding of how real debating works would realise that discussion has been thin here recently. There are plenty of my personal criticisms I could mention but they are overshadowed by my enjoyment of the new episodes, after watching them I feel fulfilled and eager for more, same story goes for many members here.

Problem is, this negative wave of members has caused an issue because there never seems any room for discussion or debate since they either explain themselves poorly or don’t seem to have enough reasons to justify what they’re saying, which is exactly why it comes across as pure complaining.

I think I speak for all when I say we don’t mind constructive criticism; we welcome it, just do it properly please and try to avoid annoying whining nitpicking. I’m no mod and I ain’t here purely for the delight of defending Heroes, just if you’re gonna have a moan, make it worth my while.

addressed @ Enemy of Reality (nice avi btw ) - but anyone else who's interested, please respond

*I'll try and keep this a civil debate if you will? I'd rather not the Mods closed this thread*

I do get where you're coming from. The problem seems to be that if people express a dislike for an aspect of Heroes, then discussion descends into this horrible trash-talk that we see so often. And I do understand the other extreme. People who constantly moan about the way the show is going or take a stab at the show wherever possible (haters basically) are infuriating, and I truly despise that they spend so much time on GotHeroes just to discuss how much they hate Heroes... yeah, I have no sympathy for them, and haters should either get lost or lighten up

But the majority of members here will express likes and dislikes for the show. Obviously, the 'likes' are greater than the 'dislikes' , but the negative things that fans have to say should also be acknowledged civilly. To give an example that I've experinced, I am constantly posting in various threads positive comments about the show that I absolutely and truly love. Then when I post something really absolutely hated in this episode- Hiro as a 10-year old- I get told by a certain member that I'm spreading negative views and pissing them off. That's hardly fair, no?

It would just be so much easier if everyone respected each other's views. That's all I'm saying

I think that when the criticism is genuine, so is the response, we all try to respect each others views, I do too. But from a discussion point of view, if someone is going around spreading their complaints like some plague, you’re more likely to get a response out of them if you challenge what they say.

Believe me, if I had that frame of mind I could give you a long list of things I wish were different, but the real issue in all of this is that discussion is being replaced with complaint. I preferred it here when it was peaceful and we discussed aspects of the episodes, when we speculated and compared theories, that’s what this place is all about, which is why it’s become tedious when entire topics are dedicated to saying Heroes has been massacred/ has become stale/ reuses plots/ is no longer original etc I wouldn’t want to see those topics change to brownnosing nonsense either, but quite frankly a lot of us have noticed the shift in mood. No ones saying keep your opinions to yourself, we all just want to avoid complaining for the sheer sake of it.

I'd like to add to the discussion if that's okay.

I think that a large part of the problem is that, while many supporting posts tend to have valid arguments and logical explanations, the lead posts lean more toward emotional responses with little constructive critique or give-and-take. This immediately draws a hard line down the middle, and the middle is where we need to be in order to engage in a respectful discussion. Emotional posts leave little to room for response, so further replies end up being directed at other posts, but with the visceral reaction caused by the lead post included.

I'm still waking up, so I hope that makes sense.

Thanks for that Unsung, I kinda got what you were saying, but I myself don't feel that that is the case. Still, I'll try and avoid a 'visceral' response... whatever that means

EoR, I kinda feel it too. There are too many inciteful topics on GotHeroes talking about how the show is crap. I don't agree with them at all, but luckily those kind of posters don't stick around on GotHeroes for too long.

The problem I have is that discrepancies that people have with the show tend to be answered with hostility rather than respectful disagreement. That's all. If someone is talking about the show as a whole negatively, then they shouldn't be posting on a Heroes fan forum, and that's probably the best thing to say to them.

But critiquing the show is just a part of regular discussion, so it shouldn't really create a negative atmosphere. I actually find that if you "complain" about a part of the show you didn't like, and have an open mind, then you can stand to gain. But only if members are willing to defend the show rather than attack the poster who made said "complaint".

It's happened many times like this where I have disliked something on the show, posted my view about it, and then members here who want to defend the show have changed my mind about disliking whatever it was. I think that's the way to go.

Does anyone remember a while back when someone (I think Angela) says to Hiro, 'You're the only one who can,' referring to his ability to save the world. So, as much as I dislike Hiro's 10 year old mental state, I have an optimistic outlook for the future. (pardon the puns)