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Ok I figured the only way to tide me over until the 2nd season starts is to try and figure out just how the heck did Nathan not die?


So I figured with your help we could brainstorm something.

I'll go first Nathan let Peter go and and rocketed himself far enough away in time to avoid Peter's explosion. (And yes I know that it still doesn't explain the radiation not killing him though)
Jester77
Something along the lines of what you said, we'll know more come September
Gloria
QUOTE(Watch me FLY @ Jun 7 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]31277[/snapback]
Ok I figured the only way to tide me over until the 2nd season starts is to try and figure out just how the heck did Nathan not die?
So I figured with your help we could brainstorm something.

I'll go first Nathan let Peter go and and rocketed himself far enough away in time to avoid Peter's explosion. (And yes I know that it still doesn't explain the radiation not killing him though)


Since he can fly at the speed of sound, he has some resistance to radiation; but there is some radiation poisoning and perhaps that caused amnesia????
Jester77
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Since he can fly at the speed of sound, he has some resistance to radiation; but there is some radiation poisoning and perhaps that caused amnesia????


I don't think it will be Nathan who gets the amnesia..
Gloria
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 8 2007, 01:17 PM) [snapback]31368[/snapback]
I don't think it will be Nathan who gets the amnesia..


The way the episode ended, the amnesia could logically happen to anyone. Peter could have it after blowing up...The Hatian could wipe anyone's mind at all...so maybe he did that to someone unexpected.
Jester77
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The way the episode ended, the amnesia could logically happen to anyone. Peter could have it after blowing up...The Hatian could wipe anyone's mind at all...so maybe he did that to someone unexpected.


I don't think that the Haitian causes the amnesia either but this is going off topic
Gloria
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 8 2007, 08:02 PM) [snapback]31414[/snapback]
I don't think that the Haitian causes the amnesia either but this is going off topic


I'll stop following you then...

Maybe Peter pushed Nathan away from him at the last min.
Jester77
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I'll stop following you then...


There are always other topics smile.gif

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Maybe Peter pushed Nathan away from him at the last min.


I think I would prefer Peter to push Nathan away instead of him just flying away, it would be more selfless if Peter was the reason that Nathan was still alive
Cutetrill
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 8 2007, 08:01 PM) [snapback]31442[/snapback]
There are always other topics smile.gif
I think I would prefer Peter to push Nathan away instead of him just flying away, it would be more selfless if Peter was the reason that Nathan was still alive


Uhm, Peter didn't explode at all. You read "The Death of Hana Gitleman part 2" graphic novel? The explosion of the satelight could have been what we saw in the sky over new york. It was supposed to be happening at the same time according to the Novel. And would totaly explain why Nathan is still alive. Peter could have gotten it under control at the last second with the help of being shown Nathan's love or something.
Jester77
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Uhm, Peter didn't explode at all. You read "The Death of Hana Gitleman part 2" graphic novel? The explosion of the satelight could have been what we saw in the sky over new york. It was supposed to be happening at the same time according to the Novel. And would totaly explain why Nathan is still alive. Peter could have gotten it under control at the last second with the help of being shown Nathan's love or something.


A satellite exploding in space would not have been as visible as the explosion that was shown in the season finale, that was definetly Peter and plus they don't incorporate the graphic novel directly in the show either
matty
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 11 2007, 07:12 PM) [snapback]31809[/snapback]
A satellite exploding in space would not have been as visible as the explosion that was shown in the season finale, that was definetly Peter and plus they don't incorporate the graphic novel directly in the show either


well in the grqaphic novel it didnt explode in space, she sent it hurtling towards earth. thus it coming into the atmosphere, so it could have resisted exploding for a while. thus being visable when it did. i never really thought of that idea its a good theory. it would also explain why nathan and peter survived, and how they [spoiler]eneded up in the ocean, as it was revealed not so long ago that they will.[/spoiler]

i like the sound of this one. but that opens up the new question of weather peter managed to gain control of his power or did he still explode [spoiler]under water, although im not sure what happens when a nuclear man explodes under water lol[/spoiler] and if he didnt explode then does he still get the scar, and if so it must be related to something other than the explosion. also it then gives them no reason to be the ones with memory loss or alcoholism as they actually saved the world. so that speculation must go.

so, i agree with this theory. well done.
Gloria
QUOTE(matty @ Jun 12 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]31863[/snapback]
well in the grqaphic novel it didnt explode in space, she sent it hurtling towards earth. thus it coming into the atmosphere, so it could have resisted exploding for a while. thus being visable when it did. i never really thought of that idea its a good theory. it would also explain why nathan and peter survived, and how they [spoiler]eneded up in the ocean, as it was revealed not so long ago that they will.[/spoiler]

i like the sound of this one. but that opens up the new question of weather peter managed to gain control of his power or did he still explode [spoiler]under water, although im not sure what happens when a nuclear man explodes under water lol[/spoiler] and if he didnt explode then does he still get the scar, and if so it must be related to something other than the explosion. also it then gives them no reason to be the ones with memory loss or alcoholism as they actually saved the world. so that speculation must go.

so, i agree with this theory. well done.


I like this theory. I don't know how accurate it will be, but I like that it fits the facts.
TheLindermanAct
Peter exploded, it wasnt the satellite, he must have told Nathan to go and droup him and after he exploded he ended up in the ocean
Jester77
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well in the grqaphic novel it didnt explode in space, she sent it hurtling towards earth. thus it coming into the atmosphere, so it could have resisted exploding for a while. thus being visable when it did. i never really thought of that idea its a good theory. it would also explain why nathan and peter survived, and how they eneded up in the ocean, as it was revealed not so long ago that they will

i like the sound of this one. but that opens up the new question of weather peter managed to gain control of his power or did he still explode under water, although im not sure what happens when a nuclear man explodes under water lol and if he didnt explode then does he still get the scar, and if so it must be related to something other than the explosion. also it then gives them no reason to be the ones with memory loss or alcoholism as they actually saved the world. so that speculation must go.


First off you don't need spoiler tags in the spoiler section and next off the graphic novels have always been canon with the show but they never interfere. What happens in the graphic novel is not shown on screen because not everyone reads them. The graphic novels just provide backstory that isn't necessarily important in watching the show but just gives some important facts. They wouldn't show the satellite exploding because it didn't happen in the show and only in the graphic novel. Plus the entire point of this season was that a man would explode and destroy New York city, it was definetly Peter who exploded in the sky and not Hana
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Watch me FLY @ Jun 8 2007, 12:00 AM) [snapback]31277[/snapback]
Ok I figured the only way to tide me over until the 2nd season starts is to try and figure out just how the heck did Nathan not die?
So I figured with your help we could brainstorm something.

I'll go first Nathan let Peter go and and rocketed himself far enough away in time to avoid Peter's explosion. (And yes I know that it still doesn't explain the radiation not killing him though)


Ted's power deosnt always give off lethal radiation- Mr Bennett was pretty close to Ted in his house when he was about to blow up, and suffered no radiation ill effects that we know off.

ive never been sure about Ted's power- certainly it doesnt harm the user, but the radiation it gives off appears kinda random. Maybe in some cases just pure heat/light is emitted

On the subject- Peter might fly off himself or maybe even teleport away, although this might contradict the one power at a time rule

I think it could be tough bringing back Nathan- his arc did feel kind of complete by shows end

admiral Owen

QUOTE(Cutetrill @ Jun 12 2007, 12:55 AM) [snapback]31779[/snapback]
Uhm, Peter didn't explode at all. You read "The Death of Hana Gitleman part 2" graphic novel? The explosion of the satelight could have been what we saw in the sky over new york. It was supposed to be happening at the same time according to the Novel. And would totaly explain why Nathan is still alive. Peter could have gotten it under control at the last second with the help of being shown Nathan's love or something.

Peter dreamed he blew up- i think that is strong proof that he did in fact blow up in the sky. Its also important for both his and nathan;s character arcs that they both commit the final act together as heres.
Jester77
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I think it could be tough bringing back Nathan- his arc did feel kind of complete by shows end


If Nathan dies it would be a good way for him to go but I'm still sure that there is enough story for him to still be alive
Watch me FLY
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 12 2007, 05:49 PM) [snapback]31925[/snapback]
If Nathan dies it would be a good way for him to go but I'm still sure that there is enough story for him to still be alive



i want nathan to live as much as the next heroes fan but...

with everything theyve revealed to us about teds power i dont see how i mean yes ted can give off energy minus the radiation but i mean he had 2 consciously do that at primatech plus remember when we first meet ted he cant even control his radiation emissions when his tempers up

... well thinking of this i harc back to ted's wife she died from ted's radiation emmisions but only after a prolonged period of time nathan was only around peter for a little bit and was actually touching him for an even shorter time

if the radiation was high enough to supposedly kill nathan then wouldnt it have hurt everyone else around him 2 like hiro walked right up to him and sylar was pretty close as well and if you wanna get really technical the radiations range should have been wide enough to effect everyone who was there as well


..... i think i just debunked my whole topic.......

damn!
Jester77
Nathan does survive though, I don't know how but I know he does and I don't think that radiation is a factor
Watch me FLY
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 13 2007, 03:18 PM) [snapback]31993[/snapback]
Nathan does survive though, I don't know how but I know he does and I don't think that radiation is a factor



well we know he survives just speculating on how hence the name of the topic
Jester77
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..... i think i just debunked my whole topic.......

well we know he survives just speculating on how hence the name of the topic


Oh I thought that you were saying that he could have died
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 13 2007, 11:18 PM) [snapback]31993[/snapback]
Nathan does survive though, I don't know how but I know he does and I don't think that radiation is a factor

i have a theory- and it may well be shaky- that Nathan may be invulnerable when he flies. think about it- how can you fly at supersonic speeds and not kill yourself or lose your clothes? and Nathan is FAST
Jester77
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i have a theory- and it may well be shaky- that Nathan may be invulnerable when he flies. think about it- how can you fly at supersonic speeds and not kill yourself or lose your clothes? and Nathan is FAST


I've heard that one before and I don't know but I guess it could be possible since it seems when other people use dangerous powers (Meredith, Ted) they aren't effected by their abilities like Meredith couldn't have died in that explosion since she's immune to fire
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 15 2007, 03:09 AM) [snapback]32126[/snapback]
I've heard that one before and I don't know but I guess it could be possible since it seems when other people use dangerous powers (Meredith, Ted) they aren't effected by their abilities like Meredith couldn't have died in that explosion since she's immune to fire

Yeah
Meredith- i wonder if it was really chance she met NAthan= being a superhuman too and all..
Jester77
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Yeah
Meredith- i wonder if it was really chance she met NAthan= being a superhuman too and all..


Just a part of a script smile.gif
Jason6633
An easy explanation, perhaps too easy is that Hiro, comes back from the past to find "flying man" dead and so goes back again to the time just before Peter explodes and grabs Nathan, kinda like he saved Ando from Sylar.
Jester77
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An easy explanation, perhaps too easy is that Hiro, comes back from the past to find "flying man" dead and so goes back again to the time just before Peter explodes and grabs Nathan, kinda like he saved Ando from Sylar.


That could work but Hiro is going to be stuck in the past for quite a while and I don't think that they would keep Nathan dead for that long
G-Mo
QUOTE(Gloria @ Jun 8 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]31411[/snapback]
The way the episode ended, the amnesia could logically happen to anyone. Peter could have it after blowing up...The Hatian could wipe anyone's mind at all...so maybe he did that to someone unexpected.


Sylar has the amnesia...
Jester77
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Sylar has the amnesia...


Well that isn't a stated fact just yet, but yes I agree it is most likely Sylar and not Nathan
G-Mo
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 15 2007, 05:34 PM) [snapback]32262[/snapback]
Well that isn't a stated fact just yet, but yes I agree it is most likely Sylar and not Nathan


Actually... it was! In an interview with Zachary Quinto he was asked about what he knew about his role in the upcoming season and he played all coy and said (hint hint) "I can't remember..."
Jester77
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Actually... it was! In an interview with Zachary Quinto he was asked about what he knew about his role in the upcoming season and he played all coy and said (hint hint) "I can't remember..."


Hmm well they haven't started shooting season two and they don't really get their scripts that far in advance so that was most likely a coincidence
Supergirl
Maybe no one will have amnesia!

I think if Nathan did survive (Which he probably did), perhaps it has something to do with his powers, some how protecting him from the bomb? Or maybe he ditched Peter in mid air and flew off? lol
Jester77
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Maybe no one will have amnesia!


Well that wouldn't be much of a spoiler then
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 19 2007, 12:44 AM) [snapback]32536[/snapback]
Well that wouldn't be much of a spoiler then

just so long as Tim Kring does'nt get amnesia.

tongue.gif

Ive always wondered if a man flying through the air would leave a slipstream like Nathan does.? well it looks cool anyway
Jester77
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Ive always wondered if a man flying through the air would leave a slipstream like Nathan does.? well it looks cool anyway


I doubt they would, it's just for effect
Sanosuke
MAYBE HE BURNED BRIGHT !!!!!!
I_can_fly
When Nathan flies his kinda protected by a shield when he reaches a certain velocity which would explain why he wasn't affected by the radiation and the explosion could have cause him to crash landed on earth in europe where no one would recognize has Nathan Petrelli gouvernor or whatever!!!
Ps.he would be suffering of amnesia
Gloria
QUOTE(Sanosuke @ Jun 19 2007, 04:47 AM) [snapback]32595[/snapback]
MAYBE HE BURNED BRIGHT !!!!!!


I don't think burning bright would cause that big of an explosion in the sky, but then again what do I know? wink.gif
Jester77
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MAYBE HE BURNED BRIGHT !!!!!!


I don't even know what that means..
Gloria
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Jun 20 2007, 04:22 PM) [snapback]32720[/snapback]
I don't even know what that means..


In one of the final few episodes, Bennet has Parkman tell Ted to Burn Bright instead of Hot. In doing this, he would send out an electromaganetic pulse that would disrupt the power in the building...Burning bright doesn't kill anyone...supposedly.
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Gloria @ Jun 20 2007, 10:11 PM) [snapback]32727[/snapback]
In one of the final few episodes, Bennet has Parkman tell Ted to Burn Bright instead of Hot. In doing this, he would send out an electromaganetic pulse that would disrupt the power in the building...Burning bright doesn't kill anyone...supposedly.


kind of lucky for Bennet to guess that right, or else he would have a mad melty face by now blink.gif
I liked Ted, shame he didnt make it
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(Gloria @ Jun 20 2007, 10:11 PM) [snapback]32727[/snapback]
In one of the final few episodes, Bennet has Parkman tell Ted to Burn Bright instead of Hot. In doing this, he would send out an electromaganetic pulse that would disrupt the power in the building...Burning bright doesn't kill anyone...supposedly.


kind of lucky for Bennet to guess that right, or else he would have a mad melty face by now blink.gif
I liked Ted, shame he didnt make it
Gloria
QUOTE(AdmiralOwen @ Jun 20 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]32749[/snapback]
kind of lucky for Bennet to guess that right, or else he would have a mad melty face by now blink.gif
I liked Ted, shame he didnt make it


Yeah. I got used to him at the end and I felt sorry for him when he died, even though he did remind me of the cave man guy from the gieco commercials.

Anyway, the guy who played Ted made me feel his fear at the end...I call that pretty good acting.
sanosuke
Just a question btw, why did peter need nathan to carry him, cant peter fly himself.
Jester77
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Just a question btw, why did peter need nathan to carry him, cant peter fly himself.


Nope he couldn't have he needed Nathan
GelanVengeer
Maybe Peter, who has also the power of Sylar, gave Nathan a little extra push. so that Nathan got away with Mach (is called the speed unit of jetfighters/ like mpH or kmH = 1.200 kmH) "Blow my Mind".
And Nathan had landed anywhere. While Peter teleported himself to ground, he also have Future-Hiroīs power, before he blacked out.By the way: I konw, maybe itīs a bit racist, but my friends and I called the Haitian "Mr. Blackout". Donīt get this in the wrong ear, right? The radiation poison can maybe be healed, by some of the new ones, who has a power like Mr. Linderman. Any questions? No, ok. Then I donīt know to approve this theory. But itīs a theory, u can break any one of them.

QUOTE(Gloria @ Jun 21 2007, 12:13 AM) *
Yeah. I got used to him at the end and I felt sorry for him when he died, even though he did remind me of the cave man guy from the gieco commercials.

Anyway, the guy who played Ted made me feel his fear at the end...I call that pretty good acting.

Yeah, really good acting. Gieco commercials? (Iīm from germany) Only know Mr Samuel L. Jackson as the caveman.
Jester77
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Maybe Peter, who has also the power of Sylar, gave Nathan a little extra push. so that Nathan got away with Mach (is called the speed unit of jetfighters/ like mpH or kmH = 1.200 kmH) "Blow my Mind".


But Peter can only use one ability at a time so that wouldn't work..(and don't double post please)
GelanVengeer
sorry for the doubling. With the power, I have no idea. Maybe I ask my buddys, what they think .
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(sanosuke @ Jun 25 2007, 09:39 AM) *
Just a question btw, why did peter need nathan to carry him, cant peter fly himself.

peter himselfsaid " I took his power Nathan...I can't control it...I can't do anything/"


trying to fly would probably have resulted in a fatal loss of control and a big boom right there on the ground. Either that or the Ted's induced radioactivity power fluctuating as it was blocked Peters ability to summon another power.
travis
alright we will find this out now during the next episode finally
Raekon
QUOTE(AdmiralOwen @ Jun 29 2007, 12:52 AM) *
peter himselfsaid " I took his power Nathan...I can't control it...I can't do anything/"
trying to fly would probably have resulted in a fatal loss of control and a big boom right there on the ground. Either that or the Ted's induced radioactivity power fluctuating as it was blocked Peters ability to summon another power.


He couldn't control any of the powers he already had at that time due to his "overloading".
Teds power was just the one that was the hardest to control.
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