Soo...ummm is he really dead? Do we even know his powers?

good point! it ain't bouncing...that's fer sure

Will have to be a flashback or offhand mention now I guess, he looks pretty dead...

Given he wanted a weapon his power was perhaps not best suited for a combat situation.

LOL!!!!

That's just wrong....on SO many levels...roflmao!

But seriously, I'm kinda pissed cuz Hiro's pops shoulda been pretty bad ass I woulda thought, but we never even got to see what he was made of.

Also, that shadowy character looked a LOT like SYLAR to me....but I think they wanna keep him as a looming possibility.

No its not sylar thats for sure...

First it would be someone Hiro's dad and Mrs. Petrelli would know and it would be someone Hiro's dad would never to be facing..

I think it could be Mr. Petrelli.... but thats just my theory although highly unlikely it would be him

But it is defitenely someone of the older generation.
Since Claude is coming back it could be him but he wouldnt survived the fall since he got invisibility.
It seems this character is kinda like Sylar in the beginning of season 1 when no one could see his face until like ep. 12.

I would almost say either Claude/Mr. Petrelli. But I dont know how the relationship between Hiro's dad and those 2 are. So we can only speculate till we see next weeks episode.

I agree that it's probably one of the nine, I think Mrs. Petrelli said, that offed him. Looks like the same person will be going for her soon. I'm not even sure Kaito had a power, since he said he'd been waiting for a Nakamora to ascend for a while. It could just mean that he has a power, but was waiting for another one with powers to show up, e.g. Hiro.

your forgetting where he tought Hiro his sword skills. When we first saw Hiro's dad drawing a sword we saw an image in the sword but it was not his own image but from a young samurai type person. Something along that line is his ability.

To be honest i think Hiro's dad is Hiro.....I mean he has the sword skills (If Hiro is Kensei..he would have sword skills). Hiro can time travel, so it would work....i guess? idk just throwing it out there

yeah, and then he gets married and has a baby, himself!! hahah now that would be funny.

Dont you guys think it's kind of strange, I mean, he gets a picture of himself, that somehow means that he will soon be killed, but you dont expect him to die by getting pushed down from a roof... i feels so lame :S, there has to be more to it

I had Claude vibes also. (I also had Toad from X-men" vibes too but i digress)
I still think Mr. P is the one haunting Molly's dreams.
Was the guy who pushed Mr. Sulu over under him , on top or anywhere to be seen? when Ando looked down? I saw blood under him but seems like only one body. If you land on somebody from that distance, seems you'd get just as dead. Then again Sylar and Peter fell off the stadium in homecoming.
(not as high up?...maybe ... just speculating.)


Shannie you kinda nullified the RaZe spoiler bar,... didn't ya?

haha

Since your mentioning it I kinda did unintentionally though

It was the same scene with Sylar and Peter falling from the stadium. But Sylar survived and so did this killer.

We will see Sylar with some sort of Illusionist (most probably Candice). Thats why he cant be there on the roof + he wouldve absorbed Hiro's dad's ability.

Mr. P haunting molly's dreams if hes the killer of Hiro's dad then yes.
I kinda think Mr. P is also an empath.. that would be unexpected since Peter is also an empath.

Sylar doesn't absorb remember? he does laser brain surgery with his finger to the skull. And no anestetics...that's gotta sting.

A few people in the other threads have commented about the new killer...saying it is one of the 9

im not so sure..ive watched that bit (pushing Hiros dad over the top) many times now, and this guy looks young and agile, not an old man...and he can fly, since he fell off too..

Heya. Haven't posted here before but I thought I'd jump in since all this speculation is fun stuff.

I agree, the guy is most definitely not an older person. There are so many things that could go into it though. Sure, it's possible that he's a flyer (Any chance there could be a connection to the boy Claire met?). He could also have some kind of physical resistance, or quick healing like Claire, that would allow him to fall and survive.

Seems a little strange to me, though, that Hiro's dad was killed by being pushed off of a building. Makes me believe one of a few things.

1) He doesn't have a power, making him an easy target.
2) He has a power, but it's not combat related

Clearly, the guy that killed him didn't use any extraordinary ability to perform the actual murder. If he knew Hiro's dad could fight back with a power of his own, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it the way he did. I really doubt that this killer is the same guy haunting Molly's dreams. He seems far too collected and plotting to sprint at some guy and push him off of a building. I'd think he has a much more sylar-like attitude when/if he's killing people. As for who it actually is... no idea. I don't really support the Mr. Petrelli theory, it seems too easy.

Also, I may have missed it, since there were people around in the room breaking my concentration, but did they ever actually show that the body was Hiro's father? Was there a close up of him? It's entirely possible that the assassin failed and Hiro's dad is still alive. Seems like something they might throw in there. I suppose we'll find out eventually.

If it isnt Nathan Petrelli, than it is a new character...

Nathan bumped into Ando before Hiros dad recieved his paper
Nathan was in the same room with his mum before she saw her photo
Nathan hates himself for what happened to his brother
Nathan hates his mum for not even caring
Nathan can fly

these all lead to the killer...but then u would ask, how did Nathan find out about the 9 involved..
would he go as far as killing his mother?

its possibly a new character...

Ya, it just seems unlikely to me that Nathan would find out about and use the symbol on their pictures to warn them about the killing. If he is indeed stricken by grief as such, he would more than likely just kill them and not do the pre-plotting.

I think it's more probable that whoever planted the photos for Mrs. Petrelli and Hiro's dad is not even the same person that killed him. If it is Molly's nightmare man, perhaps he sent someone to do his dirty work.

No one suggested claires new mate then? That seems to be the most logical explination as the killer was a fair bit smaller than hiros dad. This also rules out claude purely from a height perspective.
Just a point i want to bring up: Nathan can fly, this new kid can fly. Family ties there?

Edit. Just watched it again and i was wrong about the height. It must be nathan then. Oh and about nathan killing his own mother. All he has to do is kill hiros dad and then she will take it seriously and leave. He takes her out of the picture without killing her.

I don't think the killer is Mr. P, cuz he doesn't have any powers, if you read the comics you'll see he's just a normal person. He agreed with Linderman, in fact he sort of convinced Linderman that sometimes people have to die for the greater good. But still the Petrelli brothers must have gotten their powers from the mother because their father I'm almost sure has no power at all.

And I think we can't really know who is the killer, he/she seems like a young person or at least middle aged and I liked the whole Sylarish style with the hood, like those cheesy horror movies, gives a whole lotta suspense into the show.

About Hiro, I still think it's weird, cuz he is takezo kensei but how would all that crazy stories be true, how can he have killed an army, a 10-30 feet bear, and learned to fight with a dragon and then ripped his chest and took his heart and the dragon ressurected him. It's too crazy to be true, maybe it's a highly distorted version of what happened.

Well I guess we'll have to wait for the next episode >.<

I think Hiro's dad's power was simply sword skills. He didn't have a real power. I really hope Mrs. P dies I can't stand her.

No, in 'Landslide' Linderman tells Nathan his dad had a power. Didn't say what though.

wonder if the power to identify people with power just by looking at them (instead of mentally like Molly) is considered a 'power' in itself... after all.. Both claire and hiro came from the man...

then again.. even Sylar's passive power of observation is still debatable..

oh well...

In case anyone needs a cap:



I think it's someone we've already seen..I also wouldn't rule out the idea of it being a woman..or perhaps Linderman..

I was on the Heroes thread on Whirlpool and someone suggested the hooded figure who killed Hiro's dad is actually Peter Petrelli being controlled by the "bongyman" who haunts Molly. This may explain why the body of the killer is missing and later we find Peter inside a truck with his memory gone, perhaps the impact of falling off the roof?
Still i am confused as to why Hiro's Dad didn't run and accept his 'destiny' whereas mama petrelli went into hiding.

nakamura din't even try to run or defend himself with his power, which leads me to believe it's "non-physical", much like molly's or parkman's or isaac's.

Mr. Nakamura has an ability ofcourse... hes a samurai, see it like a normal person and when he has a sword doesnt matter what or which kind of sword. He becomes like this supersamurai with all its abilities.

Mr. Petrelli does have a power since Mr. Linderman stated that in 0.7%

The killer is relatively young and someone Mr. Nakamura knows very well and Mr. Nakamura doesnt know Nathan Petrelli.
Nathan can fly but it didnt mean the killer went of flying when he jumped from the roof with Mr. Nakamura..

Mr. Nakamura did die (you saw him with his blood).

It isnt Peter Petrelli who fell off and got amnesia or something like that (to the person stated earlier in this topic he might be).
Peter Petrelli blew up and most likely his memories got erased by the Haitian or its a side effect of his explosion.
Remember when he trained his powers and he fell from a 30 story building on a taxi... he didnt had amnesia then... why would he now? thats just too absurd.

The killer is someone we havent seen before with most likely an ability of which we know 0% about.
The killer knows Mr. Nakamura and vica versa.
Mr. Nakamura was surprised to see him there (most people tend to be surprised when the person is either a relatively a good friend or someone they know very well or in this case supposed to be dead).

It's someone of the 9 or Mr. Petrelli him self (Nathan and Peters dad).
We just dont know it yet.

It was already stated that Mr. Petrelli had a precog power that occured when he slept that got him to kill himself at the end. Angela stated also that he was "sick" so I guess he had similar problems like Charles from the virus.

On a sidenote it was stated many times by angela and kaito in the last episode as well that the following are dead:

- Linderman
- "Dallas" Petrelli
- Charles Deveaux

That leaves 9 from 12 left:

- Angela (get's attacked in the next episode)
- Kaito (Diseased in the last episode)
- Kane (which was obviously the murder since he still looks young)
- Bob (maybe! It's just a assumption of mine)
- Parkmans Dad (another assumption due to rumours)
- Mrs. Hawkins (another assumption depending on Linderman being able to make a couple out of Nikki and D.L. by cause having Mrs. Hawkins maybe help him a little?)
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As about Kaitos power, I guess that he either had a passive one or none.
That was also the reason why he asked for a sword.
It was also unexpected for him that the killer came by so early finding him like that since he thought that the picture means that he is gonna die 24 hours after he got the picture.
He also knew that his power obviously won't help him in any case so he wanted to leave the us and suggested Angela to do the same.

Since he thought he has still time, he wanted to leave later in the evening so when the killer came he thought it was ando as we also saw.

However, he took a stance (Kung Fu) before he got attacked but to his surprise the enemy didn't fought him, he grabbed him and fall with him off the building. :/

Since neither he or angela knew who the attacker was or could prevent it from happening in any way by avoiding it, I think that none of both was a precog either.

Mr. Petrelli got a precog power are u sure? Because you dont know that for sure.
Your list of the 9 aint quite logical but anything can happen

don't know for sure but that West looks like someone very strange

maybe some kind of guy with power of fly and some capability to look young...

West isnt the killer. He can fly but thats about it shown in the episode.

Well some of them are only assumptions of mine as I already wrote.
However, I'm kinda sure that Kane is the murderer and he is definately one of the 12.
As about Dallas ability: I only say what was said by angela in the show. Of course she could have lied so nobody is really sure. The sure thing is that he is dead precog or not though.

Didnt she said something like he was depressed etc.
Nothing about he has precog abilities.
I think Peter's dad has more to it than meets the eye.

I'll check the episode again when I'm home but I'm kinda sure that she said that he got depressed due to his ability because he couldn't deal with what he saw (or similar).
She also had stated of him being sick but you could be right that she maybe called the depression as his "disease".

Which episode did she said that (I dont know it anymore I think episode 2 but im not sure)? Id like to see it too

I think it was at the episode with peter being in the hospital after he fall off the building thinking that he can fly.

Then I was right its episode 2

I just got home and immediately checked on that episode.
Angela says to peter that his father were "delusional" thinking that he were indestructible or invinsible and lots of other things due to his major depressive disorder and that this was that lead him to take his life(his third attempt was successful). O_O

That's almost a hint that his father were either an "mime" like Peter is or precog in case that he had any powers!

Peter had already the precog ability at this time because he already draw in the hospital what would happen later with Nathan on the balcony!

That gave us back then the speculation that Angelas or his Fathers power was precognition.
However it doesn't seem to be Angela that had this power since she would know who is gonna attack her and what would happen so she can avoid and would also tell kaito how to avoid his death when she visited him.

However, since she didn't it must have been his father!

After I watched that scene again with angela having tears in her eyes holding peters chin, it was all clear why she is so mad about nathan too!

Peter was her favorite and she thinks that she lost him cause she said I cannot lose you to peter in the hospital at this episode while I was busy to wipe away the tears from my eyes(that happens EVERYTIME I watch this scene. GOSH!!) due to cristine roses awesome playing.

I can't wait for the next episode!

Awww... I hate it that Kaito died.

ah ok Raekon thx for the update :D

Then it will be either like Peter's empathy or precog.
But if only the 3rd attempt was succesfull...
Means that if he was like Peter an empath, his powers didnt work at 3rd try meaning the virus made his abilities unusable.. so the virus got to him..
But Precog could also be the case but then he wouldve died on the first try already... so both contradict eachother
If he had the ability to ressurect like in that other thread where SYlar can fake his dead...
That would be nice
Then there would be a big fight comming being Peter vs Dad both having empathy

Still funny I think, cuz in the comics Mr. Petrelli seems pretty much ordinary to me, he even looks at Linderman and thinks he's a freak, he could have not discovered his power in that time, I don't know. Also there are still a bunch of people we don't know, like the nine Hiro's father talked about(maybe seven if he was counting him and Mrs. Petrelli). And Linderman's death seemed so quick, i mean he did nothing he just died.
I don't know if you can but someone should try getting the hooded killer's image in photoshop and raising the light and see if you can recognize the guys face, but probably they edited the episode so that his face is totally black. I would try that but I'm too lazy to do it

Im sorry, but who tha hell is Kane? And bill for that matter.. you named them as ones' of the 12

u might disagree but i strongly believe that hiro's dad has a power like living 4 eva or similar

^howd he die? lol.
and besides i read somewhere a few weeks ago that a hero will die in the 1st episode, its him since hes the only one that died at the episode.

I agree, .....But he must have a power because his kids have powers, but than again they could be from mrs petrelli...I dont think its been determined that both parents need to have it the trait right?

no not both parents must have powers, mollys father only had a power and her mother didnt, pls correct me if im wrong.

I don't think that powers are hereditary because if that was the case there would be some logical similarities in powers
Flying+Fire= invulnerability??
Phasing through stuff+ Super strength= technomanipulation! (new word)

How about it being the character that Eric Roberts played? He's part of the organisation and seemed to be one of the original players, it was never addressed in Season 1 whether he actually had any abilities or not?

Who is that ??

WHO IS KANE!?

hmm as far as i know i read somewhere that a character would die in episode 1, that's hiro nakamura's father

This is just a theory but...

when I was watching that episode and Hiro's dad and that guy fell off the roof I only saw 1 body on the ground, mabe someone does die in that episode but maybe it wasnt hiros dad. Maybe it was the person who tried to kill him, Because Hiros dad was acting all calm when that guy came. Maybe that guy did not come to kill him.?