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travis
Mouse over the black about my theories on Maya....from tonight's episode

She can do it with her mind
When the person dies they bleed through their eyes, nose and ears
She isn't affected

Also, if you noticed throughout their scenes...They both kept telling the guys giving them a ride that Maya can't go up front. Don't remember the exact quotes and all but they both kept warning the guys...then after Maya killed everyone, she apologized.

THEN Alejandro mentioned if they were together, it wouldn't have happened and/or that he wouldn't let it happen...so does he prevent her from doing what she does?
ClubStyle_DJ
Crazy Wild speculations in 3 .... 2 ... 1
Map029
Those are good theories, I found the introduction for the two characters the best part of last night, and can't wait to see their powers.
travis
I wasn't expecting all out Spanish either. Cause I saw the videos of her at the Comic Con and in other interviews speaking English so thought that they were just bringing in Hispanic characters, but not speaking it...I like it though.
matty
im tempted to say that there going to be using more duplicate powers this volume, so maybe alejandro has a similar ability to the haitian, as in he can block peoples powers or control them. hence why she killed people while he wasnt there.
shanniee
QUOTE(matty @ Sep 25 2007, 11:50 PM) *
im tempted to say that there going to be using more duplicate powers this volume, so maybe alejandro has a similar ability to the haitian, as in he can block peoples powers or control them. hence why she killed people while he wasnt there.


Yea he has some sort of counter act against her power and maybe against more if he could control and train his ability.
Aerdna
I thought the whole "Maya has to stay with me" thing had to do with the driver being so forward and pervert mannered blink.gif

QUOTE(matty @ Sep 25 2007, 04:50 PM) *
im tempted to say that there going to be using more duplicate powers this volume, so maybe alejandro has a similar ability to the haitian, as in he can block peoples powers or control them. hence why she killed people while he wasnt there.


You may be right. The Haitian can only block mental abilities. But Alejandro may be able to block physical abilities (though I don't know if Maya's power can be considered a mental, or physical).

To me it looked like Maya somehow poisons them when Alejandro's not around. The killing of those guys seemed almost Jessica-esque.
shanniee
QUOTE(Aerdna @ Sep 26 2007, 12:17 AM) *
I thought the whole "Maya has to stay with me" thing had to do with the driver being so foward and pervert mannered blink.gif
You may be right. The Haitian can only block mental abilities. But Alejandro may be able to block physical abilities (though I don't know if Maya's power can be considered a mental, or physical).

To me it looked like Maya somehow poisons them when Alejandro's not around. The killing of those guys seemed almost Jessica-esque.


if Alejandro was a counter effect on Maya then he could potentially develop his ability to counter others aswell something like the Haitian

But as you stated Aerdna,
I dont know it either if Maya's power is physical or mentally. I would assume physical like Claire's tissue regeneration. Because if Alejandro isnt there she unintentionally use her abilities. If it were mentally I would think that she is doing it on purpose so to speak.
But I think she has to train to control her ability so she wouldnt hurt anyone else.
ClubStyle_DJ
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 25 2007, 12:44 AM) *
I wasn't expecting all out Spanish either. Cause I saw the videos of her at the Comic Con and in other interviews speaking English so thought that they were just bringing in Hispanic characters, but not speaking it...I like it though.


I'm getting a little tired of trying to READ TV!
The japaneese vocals and subtitles was bad enough.
I may have missed some informative and vital dialog because I was looking down at my keyboard and just listening sometimes.
Were they going to be dropped of 6, 60, 600 miles from the border?
See what I mean! angry.gif
Kimura Yuji
Hey,

I think there might be some stuff on samantha's website about Maya...
If you go there: http://www.samantha48616e61.com/
You will find some articles about some people who died and there was some kind of black oil coming out of their eyes. And if you look in this chapter you'll see there's this stuff coming out of their eyes, also there's something in the website about some mayan prophecy and also again dead people with this black thingy dripping from their eyes.
I think Maya's power has something to do with all these people that died with this black stuff in their eyes.
And about her brother I don't know maybe he can control it but I've got no clue how can he do it....
Well go there and check by yourself, there might be more stuff in the archive and also the other websites from the heroes world, you can see them in nbc's website.

Hope no one has already said this stuff smile.gif
Kissan
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 24 2007, 10:44 PM) *
Mouse over the black about my theories on Maya....from tonight's episode

She can do it with her mind
When the person dies they bleed through their eyes, nose and ears
She isn't affected

Also, if you noticed throughout their scenes...They both kept telling the guys giving them a ride that Maya can't go up front. Don't remember the exact quotes and all but they both kept warning the guys...then after Maya killed everyone, she apologized.

THEN Alejandro mentioned if they were together, it wouldn't have happened and/or that he wouldn't let it happen...so does he prevent her from doing what she does?

Kissan
I agree she has a power of the mind, one that she cannot control. It appears that when she becomes upset, she can't control it. That is why she needs Alejandro, who may be a calming influence.
shadowkeeper
I would think Maya's powers were mental.
Maya seems genuinely sorry for killing all those men, but everyone in the back of the truck were dead, as well as the ones in the front. If it was physical, like her having to touch them to kill them, her reaction would seem a bit off.

Add also, with the bleeding eyes and stuff, it makes it look like she makes brains explode or something inside the head blows and they die. That's how I see it considering the blood leaking out of their eyes.

Just my 2 cents
Moonluck
It seems to me that they just cancel each other out.

Alejandro seems like a more interesting character them Maya

Maya makes people die and no one dies when Alejandro is around as well. So it would make sense if he has some kind of passive healing ability. He just kind of sends out a healing aura canceling out Maya's killing aura.

Or maybe he has no powers and just calms Maya enough to not kill people.



matticus
QUOTE(Moonluck @ Sep 26 2007, 01:07 PM) *
It seems to me that they just cancel each other out.

Alejandro seems like a more interesting character them Maya

Maya makes people die and no one dies when Alejandro is around as well. So it would make sense if he has some kind of passive healing ability. He just kind of sends out a healing aura canceling out Maya's killing aura.

Or maybe he has no powers and just calms Maya enough to not kill people.


I thought that they shared an ability? I could swear that I read/heard that somewhere.
One_Hiro
They have a shared ability, where Maya's power can be kept under control by her brother.
matticus
Then that isn't sharing a power. To share a power, they'd have to both do the same thing. Otherwise their powers would be separate and distinct, and only relate to each other.
davidw89
Sorry to kill your theory rolleyes.gif , but according to wikipedia
QUOTE
Maya Herrera (Dania Ramírez),[17] a Honduran who is on the run from the police. Under stress, she can create a virus which is immediately fatal to those around her. Her brother, Alejandro, is the antidote to the virus
matticus
QUOTE(davidw89 @ Sep 26 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Sorry to kill your theory rolleyes.gif , but according to wikipedia


Exactly. Connected, but not the same.
wannabe hero_JimmyB_*
What I was going to suggest (and the quote from Wikipedia backs this up further) is that Maya continuously gives off some sort of signal to the human beings around her that causes their bodies to produce this deadly virus. This is all speculative, but maybe Alejandro has a very similar sort of power, only instead of causing those humans to produce a virus, he instead causes them to produce the antibodies that are the cure to this virus.

So even with Alejandro around, the people around Maya are still producing this virus. It's just that by having Alejandro there too, theyre also producing this antibody that kills off the virus inside them. There hasn't been a massive amount of explanation so far, but it seems to me that they both don't actively control their power. It just happens, sort of like Claire has no control over her regeneration, it just happens passively. Of course, this isn't a definite, and I personally think Alejandro would be a touch more interesting if he had some sort of mental control rather than being an antidote... but as they are meant to have a 'shared' power, and I think I read somewhere that they're twins, the evidence so far points to the balancing biological process.
shanniee
QUOTE(wannabe hero_JimmyB_* @ Sep 26 2007, 03:06 PM) *
What I was going to suggest (and the quote from Wikipedia backs this up further) is that Maya continuously gives off some sort of signal to the human beings around her that causes their bodies to produce this deadly virus. This is all speculative, but maybe Alejandro has a very similar sort of power, only instead of causing those humans to produce a virus, he instead causes them to produce the antibodies that are the cure to this virus.

So even with Alejandro around, the people around Maya are still producing this virus. It's just that by having Alejandro there too, theyre also producing this antibody that kills off the virus inside them. There hasn't been a massive amount of explanation so far, but it seems to me that they both don't actively control their power. It just happens, sort of like Claire has no control over her regeneration, it just happens passively. Of course, this isn't a definite, and I personally think Alejandro would be a touch more interesting if he had some sort of mental control rather than being an antidote... but as they are meant to have a 'shared' power, and I think I read somewhere that they're twins, the evidence so far points to the balancing biological process.


Alejandro and Maya share their powers as stated by Tim Kring I believe or someone from the production of Heroes.

If I assume the wikipedia is right and she makes the virus. Alejandro counter acts against this virus.
So the balancing of biological process is right.
Its like yin and yan with their ablities. Only that Alejandro doesnt know he has an ability. He only knows that the ability of Maya will stop when hes in the neighborhood.

Its like in a game I used to play.
There is this computer boss who has an aura of counterspell.
So if you get in his neighborhood you wont be able to cast spells on him.
But if you get out of his range with his aura you will be able to cast a spell.
Same thing applies to this.
OverDose_
I think its a bit of a long shot, but maybe she powers are similar to X-men's wallflower. I suppose she was crying after they ditched Alejandro, which caused the others around her to feel depressed themselves; it seems to strong but why was their eyes messed up eh (maybe they kept crying and dehydrated themselves >.>. Alejandro... not sure what his powers are to inhibit hers, but I just want her power to be more interesting than a death aura XD.
shanniee
QUOTE(OverDose_ @ Sep 26 2007, 06:03 PM) *
I think its a bit of a long shot, but maybe she powers are similar to X-men's wallflower. I suppose she was crying after they ditched Alejandro, which caused the others around her to feel depressed themselves; it seems to strong but why was their eyes messed up eh (maybe they kept crying and dehydrated themselves >.>. Alejandro... not sure what his powers are to inhibit hers, but I just want her power to be more interesting than a death aura XD.


hehe I also want it to be more interesting then the aura but its just to explain it easier tongue.gif
But I think it works that way not too sure though laugh.gif
atdino
yeah, aura and virus could be the power
slythgoddez
I agree that Maya and Alejandro are really connected with each other. The first one who inflicts harm to anybody around her if especially she's not on her own normal self and the latter, counteracting her ability whenever he's around.
OverDose_
Or perhaps they both have a deadly aura that is only nullified if they are together. Hahah.... hooray... we fused the Nikki/Jessica problem but now we're stuck with these two XD.
Kimura Yuji
Please someone check Samantha's website and see if the mayan plague and the black stuff from the dead people's eyes has something to do with Maya, cuz she is Honduran and the corpses were found across Middle America and Mexico.

Her website is this:
http://www.samantha48616e61.com/

Oh and if anyone forgot who Samantha is, she is Wireless the girl who can manipulate the wireless information.

Oh just looked up in wikipedia and found out that the people she kills do have black eyes and black liquid coming out of them
AIAF
So do you guys think Maya's brother can heal people or he can just make people produce the antidote to Maya's power only?
DiZ
QUOTE(davidw89 @ Sep 26 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Sorry to kill your theory rolleyes.gif , but according to wikipedia

Sorry to kill your theory but why the hell do you trust wikipedia!?
anyone can edit it!
ANYONE!
so some idiot coud just waltz up and decide I'm going to create some Bull S*** and make everyone believe it because its on wikipedia!
davidw89
um its backed up from some spoiler sites...seems reliable enough. If it's fake i'd personally change it xd
SinnerforSylar
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 24 2007, 10:44 PM) *
Mouse over the black about my theories on Maya....from tonight's episode

She can do it with her mind
When the person dies they bleed through their eyes, nose and ears
She isn't affected

Also, if you noticed throughout their scenes...They both kept telling the guys giving them a ride that Maya can't go up front. Don't remember the exact quotes and all but they both kept warning the guys...then after Maya killed everyone, she apologized.

THEN Alejandro mentioned if they were together, it wouldn't have happened and/or that he wouldn't let it happen...so does he prevent her from doing what she does?


But that still doesnt explain anything though right? They bleed like that.. but why... how did they die.. what happened to them.. know what i mean?

I think the whole not go in the front thing was more trying to keep Maya safe and with her brother, not for the safety of the men.And i think she was more sorry about the people in the back that she killed.
travis
QUOTE(SinnerforSylar @ Sep 27 2007, 03:04 PM) *
But that still doesnt explain anything though right? They bleed like that.. but why... how did they die.. what happened to them.. know what i mean?

I think the whole not go in the front thing was more trying to keep Maya safe and with her brother, not for the safety of the men.And i think she was more sorry about the people in the back that she killed.


I think the writer's intentions were for us to think Alejandro was trying to keep Maya safe from the "bad guys in the truck" but in reality for the show, it was BECAUSE of her powers. Just think about it and it'll make sense. Yeah, Alejandro might of been a little worried if she were up in the front for other reasons, but the main reason was because she can't be alone otherwise she'll kill people...and they both know that, that's why they are WANTED in mexico for things that she didn't mean to do.
AdmiralOwen
QUOTE(shanniee @ Sep 26 2007, 02:20 PM) *
Alejandro and Maya share their powers as stated by Tim Kring I believe or someone from the production of Heroes.

If I assume the wikipedia is right and she makes the virus. Alejandro counter acts against this virus.
So the balancing of biological process is right.
Its like yin and yan with their ablities. Only that Alejandro doesnt know he has an ability. He only knows that the ability of Maya will stop when hes in the neighborhood.

Its like in a game I used to play.
There is this computer boss who has an aura of counterspell.
So if you get in his neighborhood you wont be able to cast spells on him.
But if you get out of his range with his aura you will be able to cast a spell.
Same thing applies to this.

could this be THE virus Mohinder is talking about? that always felt really hurriedly introduced in season 1
Im getting that long arc feeling

discuss!
Kimura Yuji
THEY DON"T BLEED!!
It's not blood, it's some kind of black substance...
Why does no one reads my replies >.<
I read on Samantha's website (this is an website created by Tim Kring, and it's a sort of blog where people help Samantha investigate and Samantha is Wireless)
So according to the articles there, which were actually like news from a newspaper that were in Spanish and some fan translated them for "Samantha", there have been happening inexplicable deaths where the people had almost entire black eyes with this black stuff coming out of them(the eyes) and also this deaths were all pretty close to Honduras which is Maya and Alejandro's country.
So it may seem like blood but if you look close you'll see it's black and then you can connect to all the stuff in Samantha's blog which I already posted the link in this thread.

I hope someone actually reads this...
StraNGeLaD
Sounds like the brother's very much a "rogue" type character so he can leech abilites but not channel them.
Jayme_2007
I thought the way it was described was that Maya carried some sort of disease or something and that Alejandro was the one that could prevent it.

If that is it, there's got to be more to it then that on Alejandro's end.
Menac
All Good theories, I Think that When her brother is with her she can't do her thang, Because she don't want to kill him, It's kind of Obvious, Let me rephrase that, She Can't bring herself to kill her brother. She can probly kill anyone with her Viral infection power, But it might be a moral or Scientific arguement against killing her brother, he could posess the antibodys ? But Mohinder's blood is the Cure for the Virus anyway, I know that for sure, I'm just randomly blabbering on about theory's, Anyway why don't you all wait for the New episodes to come out ? happy.gif
specter100
QUOTE(Menac @ Sep 29 2007, 04:48 AM) *
All Good theories, I Think that When her brother is with her she can't do her thang, Because she don't want to kill him, It's kind of Obvious, Let me rephrase that, She Can't bring herself to kill her brother. She can probly kill anyone with her Viral infection power, But it might be a moral or Scientific arguement against killing her brother, he could posess the antibodys ? But Mohinder's blood is the Cure for the Virus anyway, I know that for sure, I'm just randomly blabbering on about theory's, Anyway why don't you all wait for the New episodes to come out ? happy.gif


Because it's always fun to speculate! smile.gif
Uker
QUOTE(specter100 @ Sep 29 2007, 01:18 PM) *
Because it's always fun to speculate! smile.gif



plus you can brag if you ed up getting it right. wink.gif
Jayranger
I think people are reading too into this. I think Alejandro doesn't have a power, he is merely just a calming influence for her as a brother. Maya however may hold the key to everything in the future of the show- December 2012 on Samantha's website is when the world will end because of the 'black death'- is Maya going to have to be subdued in the final episode of the final series?
specter100
QUOTE(Jayranger @ Sep 29 2007, 12:40 PM) *
I think people are reading too into this. I think Alejandro doesn't have a power, he is merely just a calming influence for her as a brother. Maya however may hold the key to everything in the future of the show- December 2012 on Samantha's website is when the world will end because of the 'black death'- is Maya going to have to be subdued in the final episode of the final series?


I don't know, that would be too much like the first season, stopping a hero from unwillingly ending the world.
EterniCode
QUOTE(Kimura Yuji @ Sep 27 2007, 09:45 PM) *
THEY DON"T BLEED!!
It's not blood, it's some kind of black substance...
...

I hope someone actually reads this...


I read the translations, and the newspapers apparently describe it as an oily substance. Perhaps some altered bodily fluid?

QUOTE(Jayme_2007 @ Sep 28 2007, 01:23 PM) *
I thought the way it was described was that Maya carried some sort of disease or something and that Alejandro was the one that could prevent it.

If that is it, there's got to be more to it then that on Alejandro's end.


All I've heard about Alejandro's "powers" has been theoretic hearsay here on the forums. To the best of my knowledge, no "official" source mentions him having a power.

QUOTE(Menac @ Sep 29 2007, 08:48 AM) *
...Anyway why don't you all wait for the New episodes to come out ? happy.gif


Wait? For a new episode? Before spouting theories? Are you crazy??
MetalMeow
Blah blah, blah.
I read all those theories.

1.) They need to stop introducing more characters.
2.) They need to stop killing off the characters that everyone loves (Isaac, Ted) or one's with meaning, drive.
3.) They need to start killing off the characters that everyone hates (which means Claire!!).
4.) Maya's power could be anything at this point. She obviously can't control it, since she repented with tearful eyes, so this leads us to assume it was involuntary out of self-protection and fear. She didn't want to sit up front with those creeps because he obviously wanted to rape her, it doesn't mean her brother helped hold her powers back.
5.) I hate these two new characters already. More drama! We don't need another TRAGIC past. Why don't they give us a character with a strong foothold, strong mind, no drama... Hiro's basically the only one's that delivered in that department.
5B.) Heroes has gone from interesting, action packed, and mysterious, to a soap opera.
TeddyBear616
QUOTE(MetalMeow @ Sep 30 2007, 02:17 AM) *
Blah blah, blah.
I read all those theories.

1.) They need to stop introducing more characters.
2.) They need to stop killing off the characters that everyone loves (Isaac, Ted) or one's with meaning, drive.
3.) They need to start killing off the characters that everyone hates (which means Claire!!).
4.) Maya's power could be anything at this point. She obviously can't control it, since she repented with tearful eyes, so this leads us to assume it was involuntary out of self-protection and fear. She didn't want to sit up front with those creeps because he obviously wanted to rape her, it doesn't mean her brother helped hold her powers back.
5.) I hate these two new characters already. More drama! We don't need another TRAGIC past. Why don't they give us a character with a strong foothold, strong mind, no drama... Hiro's basically the only one's that delivered in that department.
5B.) Heroes has gone from interesting, action packed, and mysterious, to a soap opera.




Heres what i think



1) I like the idea of new characters to see all the cool powers that other heroes from around the world have. It would be kinda stupid to just forget about all the other people on the list. right? Cuz dont you wonder what their going through?

2) I agree with you on that I liked Ted, but it was for a good cause.. i guess

3) I like Claire. She is too important to kill off. Besides I think I heard somewhere that she has a 5 year contract with heroes or something.

4) I think her brother is the only one who can calm her down though cuz he is the only person who understands her and who she can trust. But i dont think that he actually has a power. Maybe Maya has some kind of vampirism power. (I think i spelled it wrong lol)

5) Well I dont think that all those new Heroes are gonna become regulars on the show. I heard that they will introduce a new character each week and then WE get to vote on who stays on the show as a regular.
seesay
QUOTE(Jayranger @ Sep 29 2007, 09:40 PM) *
I think people are reading too into this. I think Alejandro doesn't have a power, he is merely just a calming influence for her as a brother. Maya however may hold the key to everything in the future of the show- December 2012 on Samantha's website is when the world will end because of the 'black death'- is Maya going to have to be subdued in the final episode of the final series?


Alejandro maybe for now doesn't have a power, but the most likely thing is he could develop a power to counter-balance or control his sister and her dangerous power.

Maybe her power is the first we've seen, maybe except for the guy with the kind of nuclear power, that is hugely dangerous to others without the intention of being so. How others react to her will be interesting.
Menac
LIZARDS

AS MATT INVESIGATES THE DEATH OF ONE HERO, ANOTHER IS ATTACKED BY THIS NEW SINISTER FORCE STALKING THOSE WITH ABILITIES -- NIKI, MICAH AND THE HAITIAN RETURN -- DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER ALLAN ARKUSH -- With one person dead, Matt (Greg Grunberg) enlists some unlikely help as the attacks continue on people with abilities. Claire’s (Hayden Panettiere) efforts to hide her healing abilities at her new California high school are jeopardized by a fellow student with a secret of his own. Niki (Ali Larter) and Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey) leave Las Vegas in an attempt to start over. As part of his new job, Dr. Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) must track down The Haitian (guest star Jimmy Jean-Louis). While crossing into Mexico, Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro’s (Shalim Ortiz) abilities prove to be a threat to those around them. Meanwhile, disappointed by his hero Kensei (David Anders), Hiro (Masi Oka) resolves to rectify any damage his presence in feudal Japan has done to history. And another lost Hero falls in with a gang of Irish gangsters with clues to his past.

That's the Spoiler, And That actualy States That They have Abilities. Both of Them.

PLUS. It's a known fact that People who are related to Someone with abilities more than likely have one.
AmarU16
cool! cant wait for the next episode.......
SinnerforSylar
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 27 2007, 03:53 PM) *
I think the writer's intentions were for us to think Alejandro was trying to keep Maya safe from the "bad guys in the truck" but in reality for the show, it was BECAUSE of her powers. Just think about it and it'll make sense. Yeah, Alejandro might of been a little worried if she were up in the front for other reasons, but the main reason was because she can't be alone otherwise she'll kill people...and they both know that, that's why they are WANTED in mexico for things that she didn't mean to do.


Ya.. i guess that makes sense too.
Jayme_2007
QUOTE
3) I like Claire. She is too important to kill off. Besides I think I heard somewhere that she has a 5 year contract with heroes or something.


That's good to know, but even if she was killed off..what's to say she couldn't be brought back in say the fourth season of Heroes? With her album debuting next year, she'll be really busy..so I'd say they will do something with her to that effect.
EterniCode
QUOTE(Menac @ Sep 30 2007, 07:38 AM) *
...Maya (Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro’s (Shalim Ortiz) abilities prove to be a threat to those around them...

That's the Spoiler, And That actualy States That They have Abilities. Both of Them.

PLUS. It's a known fact that People who are related to Someone with abilities more than likely have one.


Thanks for the source biggrin.gif can't wait for some more details about these two...

Also....does that mean Kimiko has a power O_O lol
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