Half decent opening episode, but only thing that dissapoints me is why do I always get that feeling Ive seen that idea before in a film with most of the supposed dramatic scenes in Heroes, last scene with peter stinks of "The Bourne Identity" at the start of the movie when the guy asks Bourne whos just been pulled onto the boat "what your name?", with the same bemused reaction, geez even the same lighting. Then theirs Hiro dropping out the sky,.. "Army of Darkness".

Other than that usual Heroes.

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done;
There is nothing new under the sun
(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV)

Thats biblical man.

It's sort of there are no new stories, the hero with a thousand faces, everything old is new again, etc. Of course there are parts of the story that are recycled or borrowed from other works, but that doesn't mean they can't be made their own in Heroes. The first season was a pretty classic first act, people finding out about themselves, realizing what they are, with a little bit of a climax toward the end.

Dont you mean "Simpsons done it", I see your point, but with obviously a big budget,.. you expect better

Ya I kinda see what you mean, some of the storylines do seem really recycled but I think Heroes still manages to pull those storylines off well. I guess we can't really complain about the overdone storyline cause if it wasn't for those storylines, Heroes wouldn't be around cause really, the Superhero thing has been waaaay overdone! But Heroes is still one of the most unique shows around.

Although, I have a feeling this thing with Peter not remember anything is gonna bug me. I hate storylines like that, especially when you get a chance to get attached to their personality and character. I loved the movie The Bourne Identity (which by the way, I totally agree, that last scene of the episode was way too much like Bourne Identity. Nice catch with the lighting thing, even the lighting and setting was like it) but part of the reason is because we didn't get a chance to get attached to his previous personality and life. I hope they actually get Peters memory back some how and we don't have to go through the rest of the show with him not remembering anything before being found in the crate.

I hardly see the relation between those particular scene comparisons. But I get what you mean. I've noticed a lot of that before as well. Early on, Season 1 is flooded with them.

One thing that irritates the ***t out of me, is that Heroes seems to be a big advertising conspiracy. If I wanted to watch commercials, I'd turn it to USA or LifeTime. They say "And now back to Heroes WITH LIMITED COMMERCIAL INTERRUPTION!" BOLOGNA!!! Do you see how many Razr phones were/are being used, the Claire's Helio phone (or now her new Motorola one), the Nissan Versa, the Rogue now... and it's not subtle. When they hold the phones (and no one on Earth really holds phones like that) they flash the logos right at the cameras. They HIGHLIGHT car names and brands. It just really urks me. When Claire and Zac used the digital camera, and Dell computers are everywhere... ugh.

But I think you and I suffer from "I've seen too many damn movies" syndrome It's too easy for us to find things in Heroes that we've seen somewhere else. I still love Heroes though. I just wish they'd limit the advertising in it.

And I don't think it was the Haitian who took Peter's memory, because Peter is basically the star of the show next to Hiro and Claire, and the Haitian can't put memories back in. He has amnesia or he had an overload of absorbing too many powers at the moment, or he was drugged and he's fuzzy-minded temporarily. If the Haitian removed his memory it would kill Peter's character.

true

and your right about the advertising
if you've seen to much movies etc you get to watch on the details of each scene and we get to notice like the car Claire gets is the new Nissan...
and the phones (Razr) but it doesnt bug me though

But I think Peter's memories were taken away but there is a way he can get them back.
Peter has alot of abilities absorbed so there should be a way he can get his memories back but we dont know it yet.

Being that I've never seen "The Bourne Identity" trilogy, I can't compare it. But I have noticed the use of recycled lines, ideas, etc.



Don't forget the blantantly obvious promotion for the iPod Just as long as these companies are sponsoring this show so the commercials are limited and don't shove it in our faces, I don't care too much. I barely even noticed all the Nissan commercials that were being played that people have been saying there was an abundance of, I was zoned out by that point.

I noticed alot of the commercials but if I had to say my favourite one..

Then id say the scene where Hiro didnt had his powers and Ando helped this woman stealing chips I believe and she shoots a bullet on Hiro but Hiro focused and made the bullet go back and fire another direction. Then afterwards he says: Look ando, The Nissan Versa hasnt been damaged (something like that).

When I saw that I was totally like:
Damn Heroes are soooooo droooling on their sponsors face for more money

shannie, the line was "Not a scratch on the Versa!" It actually made me laugh. I loved that line. I thought the use of the iPod was pretty cool, too. That is just an iconic shot in heroes an iPod just covered in blood. I think the only real sponsor of Heroes is Nissan, the other things being shown were just things they used to make the show more set in reality. Don't get me wrong I did roll my eyes a few times at the Versa, expecialy the new "The Rouge!?! Really!?!" line.

Ah! You have a good point.
We don't know what Mrs. Petrelli can do yet, right? We only know she has a power. I'm thinking maybe she can show the past to you through dreams or something, much like that little boy Mohinder ran into. Mrs. Petrelli can make you feel like you were in the past, that's how Peter could talk to Charles in the dream, and watch himself with Samone.
*rubs chin*
Well then! Nevermind. It obviously was the Hatian, given the fact Peter was wearing his necklace.

my only gripe with the episode? Its the first so a little exposition heavy with little sense of how the arcs are connected- but thats hardly the shows fault. The pilot people have often told me was the same.

Little too much advertising, although Heroes has always been a commerical show (lets not delude ourselves) there is always a fear of a show aiming for the bottom line when its success and corporate impact reach threshold (which always strikes me as odd given that success should theoretically give Kring etc more freedom to dictate actors/story/dialogue!!)

The Peter amnesia thing i hope will be resolved soon, I dont feel like watching a major character re-learn is going to help drive the story. Im not much into reset buttons and clean slates, I like my characters damaged from the fallout (which is why again im finding Nathan's arc the most compelling)

Well there's not much you can do but complain, I mean the guys created a famous show, they're obviously gonna stick to some things that they know will improve the audience or at least keep the one that's watching it. Unfortunately we know that probably most of the stories have some similarities with some movies, book and series that came before this one. Just like you said about the Bourne trilogy there is also John Doe which was like that too.
It's marketing they're just doing what's better for their wealth...
But still this plots are pretty cool and you never get tired of some of them, it's just like the famous mystery of killed the guy, people really get into it and they know it so they do it again and again and again.

I once heard a man say, "Creativity is as simple as forgetting your inspiration". I can't remember who said it though...

Hmmm I suppose I don't really care about product placement and ads, as long as it funds the show

What I kind of don't like is how powers seem to be a bit "recycled" (West flying, anyone?), when all along my impression from the show was that everyone had a more or less unique power... Well, I suppose the way West flew is oh-so-slightly different from the way Nathan flies?

In any case I'm just glad that Heroes is back

I don't care really it's very difficult to come up with a plot or idea that hasn't been done before!


Memory loss was done before bourne identity, people have dropped out of the sky countless numbers of times in other films and shows. people don't write the script thinkin "oh lets copy this and that" they just write it and it happens to be the tiniest bit similiar to other stuff.

also ignore below post! I'd delete if i knew how too!

Memory loss was done before bourne identity, people have dropped out of the sky countless numbers of times in other films and shows. people don't write the script thinkin "oh lets copy this and that" they just write it and it happens to be the tiniest bit similiar to other stuff.

i agree with DiZ, they dont watch and try to find things to copy. lol

I disagree and I agree. With the relevancy in the Bourne Identity thing, mere coincidence... for one, we know Peter in and out so there's no reason to steal that scene, and Bourne Identity REVOLVED around him losing his memory.
But you can pull far too many scenes and circumstances from Heroes that relates to too many comic books, cartoons, movies, or other TV shows. I mean, if you're too blind to notice that... come on. It IS NBC after all (a family television network). They pull everything out that makes a good show (even if it means taking it from others) and shove them all into one pile. But I still love Heroes. I just wish the advertising was more subtle. They even get so tedious as to put "Nissan Versa!" or "THE ROGUE?! EEE!" in their FREAKING DIALOGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha only this show could make the words "Nissan Versa" a plot element. Well they'll always have bills to pay and corporations to pay them.

As for the plot elements, the ideas for the heroes themselves aren't all that original, so yeah. The show works pretty well as a fusion of all these ideas though.

The writers need to get ideas from somewhere i suppose.

I agree with Owen ... I really hope he gets his memory back in next epiosode, it would really suck if half the season is peter wondering around "asking who am I?"

it could be a way to introduce blackey in a good sense. That's his name right? Blackey? Ah whatever. I think it'll be like another 2 or so episodes and then you'll see peter jetting back to new york at the speed of "oh SH**! I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to another car insurance company!" Just my guess

:S I dunno...I think there are always gonna be similarities to other shows but there are enough differences that it doesnt matter.

yeah i was a bit angry with masi... too busy trying to explain things when he should evaluate and do things... tisk tisk

just get on with the show...

Yes they do. Every show borrows ideas from other shows, movies, books, etc. It' unavoidable. What's important is how those ideas are put together and Heroes has done a good job so far. It's unique and popular, which is rare these days. Making something unique doesn't seem that hard, but making something that's popular too? Now that's tough. The first season had its ups and downs but I hope they can get things more consistent this season.

try writing an original story. Even the most original thing you can come up with, must have already been used in the tens of thousands of movies made. I guess it isnt intentional.

Popular culture is always recycled, tho I do admit that Heroes does borrow heavily from LOST, in particular.

It has been said that if there had been no LOST then there would be no Heroes.

There's no such thing as a new idea, but Heroes just about manages to draw it's own unique sense of identity and appeal ('just')

Sorry to be so frank but I don't understand the point of this topic, there is no such thing as original material because chances are if it's on your screen it's been done before. So I say watch the show, enjoy it and get over the fact that it's the same material because there will always be similarities, no matter what you are watching or reading or whatever