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travis
In the first scene with Kaito and Ando...someone else pointed this out.

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tita
I saw that, but couldn't bring myself to imagining it to be real or not. Wouldn't he have recognized him? I guess the beard could of thrown him off, but still.
travis
I don't think Ando has ever seen Nathan though...

Only Hiro, like at the cafe in Vegas, Ando left before Hiro and Nathan met. At the casino, only Hiro went in to "deliver" the painting...
EkEL8
Oh that was Nathan?? I thought it was just some random dude who works within the Nine.... thats how I thought they slipped that pic of Hiro's dad with the red helix into the newspaper...


Hmm.... assuming i'm right.... Perhaps Nathan is involved.... after all... he does detest his mom...

not to mention that it may also explain how the his mom got hers as well... (tack it outside before entering Peter's place, then shoo her out... )
matticus
Ando has seen Nathan. Remember the episode when Nathan's wife was healed by Linderman? Hiro and Ando run up to Nathan's car and ask him for help. When Nathan says there's nothing he can do, Hiro starts yelling something like, 'You already bad man!' I swear Ando was there, because that's just before they go to the sword repair place and Hiro is taught how to 'battle' by his father.

But I'm thinking that Ando would have brushed it off. He seemed pretty focused on Kaito, and passing a random on the street doesn't really register unless you stop and look back.
shanniee
QUOTE(matticus @ Sep 26 2007, 12:05 PM) *
Ando has seen Nathan. Remember the episode when Nathan's wife was healed by Linderman? Hiro and Ando run up to Nathan's car and ask him for help. When Nathan says there's nothing he can do, Hiro starts yelling something like, 'You already bad man!' I swear Ando was there, because that's just before they go to the sword repair place and Hiro is taught how to 'battle' by his father.

But I'm thinking that Ando would have brushed it off. He seemed pretty focused on Kaito, and passing a random on the street doesn't really register unless you stop and look back.


Ando knows Nathan because there has been at least 2 occasions where Ando and Nathan met.
First was when Hiro tried to stole Takezo Kensei sword's but it turned out to be a replica.
Afterwards they went to Isaac Mendez and said Linderman had the replica and Nathan was there with Simone and said: Did he say Linderman?
Where Hiro replied : FLYING MAN!

And second is after they went back to the present from the future they saw Nathan and asked for their help and Hiro said that he was a bad guy.

And I said in an other topic about this so smile.gif
slythgoddez
Yeah I agree. Ando and Nathan had met before.
I also think IT WAS NATHAN.. the bearded guy Ando had bumped into at the Kirby Plaza.
I think Ando didn't recognized him cause he's bearded and all.
I instantly verified my theory after seeing Nathan talking to Angela on his apartment.

And I must say.... I HATE THE BEARD!!!! >_>
badboym
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 26 2007, 08:19 AM) *
I don't think Ando has ever seen Nathan though...

Only Hiro, like at the cafe in Vegas, Ando left before Hiro and Nathan met. At the casino, only Hiro went in to "deliver" the painting...


No they already had met before the time when Hiro and Ando came back from the future and tried to convince Nathan to stop the exploding man with them
GeneZ
i think they didn't recognize each other.
its been 4 months. lol
Uker
Almost looks like they made eye contact in the second picture
GeneZ
but ando walked as if it was a total stranger.
Uker
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Sep 27 2007, 10:38 PM) *
but ando walked as if it was a total stranger.



Well if nathan is behind the pictures, its possible that he recognized ando-or was even out looking for him.

GeneZ
i dont think nathan sent those. he doesnt even know mr nakamura. or does he?
Uker
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Sep 27 2007, 11:11 PM) *
i dont think nathan sent those. he doesnt even know mr nakamura. or does he?


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travis
as far as we know, they've never encountered each other before
Vikingisme
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 27 2007, 10:04 PM) *
as far as we know, they've never encountered each other before


Mama Petrelli might have talked about him before though but thats highly unlikely. But Ando and Nathan have definitely met before though.
GeneZ
nathan was drunk that time so maybe he didnt care lol.
and ando didnt recognize him because of the beard.
DiZ
I don't think it has any significance at all why would it?
StraNGeLaD
It's certainly an interesting notion, Hiros dad was thrown from a building by an unknown assailant who went over the edge with him but wasn't there at the bottom, which would point to regeneration, some sort of shielding or flying. Nathan was at his mothers apartment just before she got her marker and was passing Hiros dad when he got his, but I think this is exactly what Kring's trying to do, point everything towards Nathan, it's classic misdirection and he kept doing it in Season 1.
minara
QUOTE(tita @ Sep 26 2007, 01:15 AM) *
I saw that, but couldn't bring myself to imagining it to be real or not. Wouldn't he have recognized him? I guess the beard could of thrown him off, but still.

Ando was very focused on Kaito, not some random hobo on the street. I know I don't always look at everyone I cross paths with on a daily basis, and given how different Nathan's appearance is from the last time Ando actually saw him, I am not surprised he didn't recognize him.

My fiance didn't even notice it was Nathan when he was watching the episode. I did, though biggrin.gif
tashnag_01
QUOTE(DiZ @ Sep 28 2007, 07:55 PM) *
I don't think it has any significance at all why would it?

it HAS to have significance...
why would they use Nathan to bump into Ando, and not some stranger (extra), if it wasnt significant??

Either it has significance, or the writers are just playing games with our minds
bignas1234
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 25 2007, 10:05 PM) *
In the first scene with Kaito and Ando...someone else pointed this out.

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I noticed this aswell when i watched the episode
Menac
What could Nathan Petrelli Want killing Kaito ? I could understand he doesnt like his mother, All of it points to nathan, but I can't wait to watch "Lizards" mabye then we can understand why Nathan wanted to Kill poor Kaito, Mabye he felt so bad about peter, He swore Vengence on the people who were really involved with the Explosion .. Papa nakamura and Granny Petrilli , happy.gif
One_Hiro
I swear people around here can be sooooo....shallow. Ando bumping into Nathan was just to see tease you early in the episode. You have to think that 80% of viewers are watching this on television without TIVO, so when they see Ando bump into a guy with a beard and long hair that looks like Nathan Petrelli...there going to go crazy and get curious. Because before this scence you never see Nathan on screen.

Ando has only seen Nathan once, and he looked totally diffrent. You have to think that this has been four months since 'How To Stop An Exploding Man', so everyones head is all messed up. That's why he didn't notice Nathan.

I doubt very seriously that Nathan is the killer. He has no idea who Mr. Nakamaura is, and he knows very little about the "Old Generation" for that matter. He always thought that Linderman was just a friend of his fathers. So Nathan seeking revenge is a crap theory.

It's someone from the past coming back for them.
Inahrima
QUOTE(DiZ @ Sep 28 2007, 02:55 PM) *
I don't think it has any significance at all why would it?


Yeah, it was probably just to point out how big and small the world is at the same time or something like that. Hey just realized, Nathan kinda looks like the spartan in your sig biggrin.gif
axolotlman
QUOTE(travis @ Sep 25 2007, 10:05 PM) *
In the first scene with Kaito and Ando...someone else pointed this out.

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well I missed this one rolleyes.gif
wrenchninja
i didn't even notice that when i was watching it mellow.gif . i have to pay more attention from now on i guess smile.gif .
Idontwannabeasuperhero
QUOTE(One_Hiro @ Sep 29 2007, 03:44 PM) *
I doubt very seriously that Nathan is the killer. He has no idea who Mr. Nakamaura is, and he knows very little about the "Old Generation" for that matter. He always thought that Linderman was just a friend of his fathers. So Nathan seeking revenge is a crap theory.

It's someone from the past coming back for them.

+1
They all recognised what the photo meant - and has Nathan even seen that "Godsend" symbol before?
It's too much to just be coincidence though - although it's possible it's just to throw us off and means nothing.
Maybe it was someone like that girl (can't remember the name) who can change what people see, trying to frame him? Maybe the killer is following him and framing him? Maybe he's being "controlled" somehow into doing it?
String Theory
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Sep 28 2007, 05:11 AM) *
i dont think nathan sent those. he doesnt even know mr nakamura. or does he?


They've got four months to have met each other...
I think it's very possible that they know each other by now.
moogle
well this is just my opinion
but i think that nathans burns are real and him beeing normal looking
is all in his head
so ando wouldnt recognise him with burns would he?

perhaps the illusion girl put one on him so others dont see it?
or mabey another character
this would back up the theory that it was him who killed Mr. Nakamura
and issued the death threat to his mum
as he owes it to the people and is now one of them

however
Nathan is meant to be all "good" now as he helped save the world
so why would he go into a shaddy deal for?
jinggoy
could it be that Nathan was the one who somehow "inserted" the picture with the symbol in the newspaper? Haha. It seems to be a random thing but then with Heroes, you never know smile.gif
daisyhero09
QUOTE(jinggoy @ Oct 1 2007, 09:17 AM) *
could it be that Nathan was the one who somehow "inserted" the picture with the symbol in the newspaper? Haha. It seems to be a random thing but then with Heroes, you never know smile.gif

I like that theory too, as it would've been easy to plant the other picture outside the apartment room and then tell him mother to "get out" so she would see it. Maybe as revenge, maybe he is being "used" by someone.
Colossal
Interesting theory about the scars being the real deal, but if that were the case, even if Ando didnt recognise him, he and those around surely would be staring at Nathan with such horrific burns.

I really hope its not real!!
robbo17
yh i wasnt sure i had seen it right but now u all agree then i huess my mind wasnt makin things up
chrislc
HE does look different with a beard
Kastion2000
I didn't notice this either until I watched the episode a second time then I caught it. Makes me wonder how much stuff in the first season I may have missed - although I watched it from start to finish multiple times so I doubt I missed much. tongue.gif
Ozniss
Its probably nothing, if it were they would have made more out of it like a close up or something to show how much Nathan has changed????
emoianc
that was probably just a scene to cuz a lil irony
Lavenda
QUOTE(StraNGeLaD @ Sep 28 2007, 11:42 PM) *
It's certainly an interesting notion, Hiros dad was thrown from a building by an unknown assailant who went over the edge with him but wasn't there at the bottom, which would point to regeneration, some sort of shielding or flying.


another reason you might not see someone is invisibility...

but assuming it is the same person after Nakamura and Mrs Petrelli it'd be a bit silly to launch themselves off the side of a building and not have a way to survive (unless they felt secure that they had set Mrs Petrelli's demise into motion)

I noticed Ando bumping into Nathan but didn't really pick up on it being Nathan. ARGH! I don't think there is too much in it though... it's almost like LOSTies crossing paths in their past, more often than not it doesn't mean anything

voronwe
Hah, I love these little touches of coincidence in the show.
wannabe hero_shirlzstur_*
QUOTE(matticus @ Sep 26 2007, 02:05 AM) *
Ando has seen Nathan. Remember the episode when Nathan's wife was healed by Linderman? Hiro and Ando run up to Nathan's car and ask him for help. When Nathan says there's nothing he can do, Hiro starts yelling something like, 'You already bad man!' I swear Ando was there, because that's just before they go to the sword repair place and Hiro is taught how to 'battle' by his father.

But I'm thinking that Ando would have brushed it off. He seemed pretty focused on Kaito, and passing a random on the street doesn't really register unless you stop and look back.


It was kinda sad cause it was nathan who taught hiro how to say 'villan' properly *sigh*

nightsearch59
QUOTE(tashnag_01 @ Sep 29 2007, 01:01 AM) *
it HAS to have significance...
why would they use Nathan to bump into Ando, and not some stranger (extra), if it wasnt significant??

Either it has significance, or the writers are just playing games with our minds


every little twist...every little turn...this chance encounter definitely has something to do with the story line in the future
Rock Rob
I don't think this has any relevance at all blink.gif
unless Nathan is the one who killed kaito and wants to kill his mother too ohmy.gif
Hiro Worship
When I first so that scene, I have to admit I actually thought it was Peter, but after rewinding checking out that scene again, I realised it was Nathan. Looked like he was trying to keep a low profile.
Jester77
I love it when they do random character encounters in episodes, they don't really mean anything but it is fun to watch
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