Looking for a nice clear picture if there are any.

It's from the gallery, not sure if it's as clear as you want it:

Here's another cap I took, and posted in another thread.



It's a bit more focused on the reflection than the one Aerdna posted.

I'm probably just saying what everyones thinking but I think this maybe a jessica and Niki thing all over again!

lol the reflection's hair looks like peter's old hairstyle doesn't it? or maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.

I think it's just the way Nathan's hair was, because it is actually longer than it looks... it was pulled to the side to show the scarring.

My theory... he interacted with Candice Wilmer and had his appearance changed. That's what he looked like after the explosion.

Hmmm... Looks to me like our Mr. Nathan Petrelli might be dead, or somewhat dead....

According to Nathan's mom:

Mrs. Petrelli" You killed your brother, Drove Heidi away, Drove your kids away... If you had followed our plan, if you had done what you were supposed to do, you would be alive now!"

Nathan "To think I almost listened to you...your evil ma"

Mrs.Petrelli looks in shame

Now this can be taken two ways, or both.

You would be alive now perhaps just means that she tried to cover up his existence by saying he was dead. However that might not be the case. What if he didn't fly away in time? What if Mrs.Petrelli had the power to save him. Understandably that Claire is Nathans offspring and he Mrs.Petrellis offspring. They alluded towards the end of the first season that she had an ability to heal people in that she wasy "Just like Claire". However, Linderman had the abiity to heal or restore things outside himself. Perhaps, she can raise people from the dead or is a fountain of life. No one ever once really came to that conclusion. I mean she did talk about things like the Holocaust and other age old wars when trying to get Nathan to let Peter blow up. That's were the speculation comes from. Perhaps, she has been alive for a very long time.

I'll take it one step further in asuming that the secrets people have alluded to that may come out in the future about the deaths of other Heroes were in fact by one of the Heroes she let live. It's interesting. There was also a point in time were she just glanced at the picture and called it a death threat, but other than worrying about Kaitos life, seemed to have a puzzled look as though pondering how it was possible that she could die. I guess we will see in future episodes.

Ive never thought about that, but i dont see why the producers would give 2 family members the same power (or basically the same). I think it has an offshot maybe to somehing lke that. but not heaing

Are you sure she says "You would be alive"? I thought she said "He would be alive", meaning Peter.

I'll have to go listen.

Its definitely 'He would be alive now'.

It might just reflect how emotionally scarred he is for letting Peter down, maybe he realizes that if he'd listened to Peter from the beginning none of that would've happened.

Actually, what I think she said was "He would be alive now," referring to Peter...

I actually just rewatched that part, and I agree with Jaymes. Mrs. Petrelli did said " You killed your brother, Drove Heidi away, Drove your kids away... If you had followed our plan, if you had done what you were supposed to do, you would be alive now!"

But how could he be dead and talking to Claire on the phone?

Wait, what episode/scene was this..... ???

errr... Season 2 Episode 1? At about 19.40 to 19.52 when Mrs Petrelli and Nathan were at Peter's place arguing.. before she recieved the red helix photo outside

I have a feeling that someone with Linderman's ability healed Nathan, of course not Linderman himself, but maybe an impath that knew him, like the one that Claude knows.

That's right!

"Fantastic. One of those. "

mental or physical issue?

Hmmm...it could be that Nathan was healed by someone else. I mean, it is possible to have other people with the same ability as someone else. Still, I am thinking that Nathan has more than one ability.

Also, did anyone notice that scene preview where it LOOKS like Nathan is in the future or something? Or maybe not the future but I think its the roof of the Devoux building. He has no beard and seems kinda shocked about where he is at.

Don't think it's him just a guilt trip.

Could mean anything really. Could be a Nikki thing, but it also could just be the producers messing with our heads. Its working I guess

hey.. i didn't notice it was "you would be alive now" until i read this thread...

is my ear something wrong.. because i heard "he would be alive now" when i first watched it.. =/

this leads to more mysteries... +.+

Same, I'm going to rewatch it in a minute...
I thought it was a guilt thing?

same here, i'm sure i heard HE would be alive now.. but now i rewatched and it's you would be alive now that's weird :S.

Just rewatched it and I'm pretty certain it's just "he" would be alive. It makes no sense for Nathan to be able to throw that picture to the ground, or for her to accuse him of being drunk if he's dead.
I reckon he survived somehow and feels guilty because he left Peter (he thinks) to die.
I don't know how he survived though... he can't have just dropped Peter off and flown away if he saw his face that badly burnt? Unless he's just imagining what it would have looked like if he stuck around?

maybe he was saved by the same guy who saved sylar?
you never know.

I think that the reflection that Nathan saw was just his guilt getting to him, as when he looks in the mirror again he sees his own reflection as it is. I think he must be feeling pretty bad and probably imagined what he would look like if he had saved his brother (I am not too sure that Nathan blew up with his brother after all, I think he flew away before Peter blew up)

And if Mama Petrelli did say "You would be alive now..." (I thought she said "He would be alive..." too) then I am sure she means he would be more alive in spirit. He would be on the path that she had helped lay out for him, rather than the distructive path he is on.

Though of course, I may be horribly wrong. Speculating is still fun.

At first I though it was Peter that he saw, and so Nathan was actually Peter or something like that. But then the last scene discredited all of these.

If you ask me, he is haunted by what likely happened to Peter, as I don't know who could've healed him since Linderman is dead.

I have something to propose: what if Mr.Linderman was not dead (because he stupidly died for such a powerful man, isn't he?) what if th one who was dead was candice?... i know you'll say, that if it was she had change her apparence... But who knows...

I think that Nathon is going to live. He wasn't that much of a major character, but if their bringing back Peter then Nathon surely must have survived.

I think the reflection is more of a forshadowing rather than a current state. Maybe it's Nathan looking in the mirror and seeing the reflection of his soul for something terrible he did or something.

Lots of unanswered questions.

Very interesting, indeed. Listening to it again, it does sound like "you." I hope we get the answer to it, if we're hearing correctly.

Perhaps Peter healed Nathan when he exploded, however the explosion messed it up a bit so that he was sort of in between being dead and being alive. Maybe that's what drove his family away.

Hmm, I wasn't sure watching it but that definitely is Nathan not Peter isn't it?

My guess is that it's Nathan's guilty conscience for what he almost allowed to happen, and that he's slowly going insane. (After all, he's definitely not at his mental peak) I doubt it's a Niki/Jessica thing though. No split personalities here, just a plain loony.

Peter can't heal others. Linderman was the one who could heal others. Peter can only heal himself. And as far as we know, Peter never even met Linderman after he started being able to absorb people's abilities.

I'm not sure whether he is seeing Himself , or Peter. and whether this is trauma or another power or something.

Really looks like a parasitic second personality (although it hasnt done anything yet)

I really, really wish people would stop implying that Nathan has a split personality/Peter's been merged with his personality.

That's already been done. I highly, HIGHLY doubt that Kring and Co. would recycle that power so quickly in the series.... especially when they have NEVER given any indication that Nathan can do anything except fly.

Just wait and watch the show, kids, all will be revealed in time.

I still don't understand the reflection bit... how the heck did he survive if he was on fire like that with his nuclear brother????

Isn't it possible they fused in the explosion in some way? That definitly looks like peters hair

Guys you really analyis this picture... I think his mom has the abilty like Candice to hide things. I want the writter to surprise me so i'm notg going any further.

if it was peter we sawe who was the guy in the container?

I think its Nathan. Look at the hair lines, and it appears its more like Nathan's than Peter's.

Perhaps it has nothing to do with someone using a power, and I highly doubt it has anythign to do with Peter and Nathan sharing poweres or something. Perhaps it is mearly that he is haunted my the memory and that is how he sees himself, or how he should have been ... I mean if he was really beside nathan when he exploded and stuff or even just as he held him his face would have been more than just scared

that was kinda scary..
maybe nathan was just day dreaming?

I think he's just haunted by the thought of Peter's explodingly gruesome death.

Or maybe Peter and Nathan merged together like Niki/Jessica...oh wait, we see Peter at the end
I love that he has amnesia, it'll be interesting where and how long they will take this.

It's pretty disturbing hehe Can't wait to see more of grotesque Nathan and what's behind him seeing the reflection and all

After seeing the reflection scene, I thought Nathan must have had one of those dreams of what he thinks of himself. But on reflection (excuse the pun), I started thinking he might of gained new power to hide his real self after the explosion. In anycase, I'm just mystified and can't wait to see the later episodes to find out the 'real' nathan.