mortiferum
Sep 28 2007, 02:03 PM
Anyone else think that Hiro actually turns out to be the Kensei sword saint that he looks upto so much?
I'm sure the word Paradox could be used here, then again maybe not?
He's going to spend a whole lot of time in the past trying to rectify what hes managed to change.
Bet he has starts a relationship with the swordsmiths daughters!
Morty
Aerdna
Sep 28 2007, 07:16 PM
Well we already know Kensai is English, and he's credited as being a warrior, but maybe Hiro is the actual warrior, mistaken for Kensai.
wannabe hero_One_Hiro_*
Sep 28 2007, 07:51 PM
I think that Hiro is infact the Kensi sword saint, and here's why;
Part One--As you can see Kensi aka Kane (David Anders), is far from a hero, and has very non-hero ways. He accepted the sword from the swordsmith with no intentions on protecting the village. The moment the Swordsmith's daugther questioned Kensi aka Kane about this, he put the blame on Hiro, which was far from noble. So OBVIOUSLY Kensi aka Kane is NOT the Sword Saint. Once you factor in that Kensi aka Kane (David Anders) is also a new villan for this season, there is no way he could be Kensi. I know Hiro is running around trying to convince dude that he's a hero...but let's be foreal, Hiro dosen't have the best judgement when it comes to situations such as this.
Part Two-- Hiro's father always told him the story of the Sword Saint, and probley for a reason, so that Hiro knew the history of the Sword Saint he would always follow the brave and noble ways of him. Here's what I think will happen...
Hiro saves the the swordsmith, wins the affection of his daugther and they have a "love" type of scenario going on. Bassically the swordsmith's daughter is Hiro's princess. Then they remeber that the village is still destroyed..so Hiro has to "rip out his heart" go back in time and leaving his princess (who will not remeber Hiro at this point), he then stops the bandits from looting the village and goes back to the future after this.
sportastephaline
Sep 28 2007, 08:20 PM
I really do think that hiro will wind up doing all those things that Kensei eventually got the credit for.
werent there places saying that Hiro was going to have some romantic releations with a princess? couldnt this be the swordsmiths daughter?
GeneZ
Sep 28 2007, 10:14 PM
yeah but if this was true the writers made it too obvious. lol.
matticus
Sep 28 2007, 10:18 PM
It's not that Hiro is actually Kensei. He just makes up for the real Kensei's lack of morality by doing what he was told 'the real Kensei' did. Otherwise, the future would be changed, the time-space continuum would be out of whack etc etc. See how it relates to everything that is going on in the 'present time'?
DiZ
Sep 29 2007, 12:52 AM
QUOTE(matticus @ Sep 29 2007, 05:18 PM)

It's not that Hiro is actually Kensei. He just makes up for the real Kensei's lack of morality by doing what he was told 'the real Kensei' did. Otherwise, the future would be changed, the time-space continuum would be out of whack etc etc. See how it relates to everything that is going on in the 'present time'?
we saw ourselves in season 1 how the future can be changed, the guy who can see the future, isaac mendez said NY would blow up, but it didnt. so maybe hiro will do what the kensei is not doin now, but originally did until he met hiro
darkabsalom
Sep 29 2007, 08:30 PM
QUOTE
I think that Hiro is infact the Kensi sword saint, and here's why;
Part One--As you can see Kensi aka Kane (David Anders), is far from a hero, and has very non-hero ways. He accepted the sword from the swordsmith with no intentions on protecting the village. The moment the Swordsmith's daugther questioned Kensi aka Kane about this, he put the blame on Hiro, which was far from noble. So OBVIOUSLY Kensi aka Kane is NOT the Sword Saint. Once you factor in that Kensi aka Kane (David Anders) is also a new villan for this season, there is no way he could be Kensi. I know Hiro is running around trying to convince dude that he's a hero...but let's be foreal, Hiro dosen't have the best judgement when it comes to situations such as this.
Part Two-- Hiro's father always told him the story of the Sword Saint, and probley for a reason, so that Hiro knew the history of the Sword Saint he would always follow the brave and noble ways of him. Here's what I think will happen...
Hiro saves the the swordsmith, wins the affection of his daugther and they have a "love" type of scenario going on. Bassically the swordsmith's daughter is Hiro's princess. Then they remeber that the village is still destroyed..so Hiro has to "rip out his heart" go back in time and leaving his princess (who will not remeber Hiro at this point), he then stops the bandits from looting the village and goes back to the future after this.
I think this is the most possible theory, good job for typing it out XD
dondadappa
Oct 1 2007, 12:16 AM
I don't think hiro is kensei, cause is you look at the ep 2 preview hiro says kensei has a power
StraNGeLaD
Oct 1 2007, 12:35 AM
It's more than likely that Hiro has to go back in time and make Kensei a hero, either by making him actually become one or more likely becoming one on his behalf.
Inahrima
Oct 1 2007, 12:58 AM
QUOTE(sportastephaline @ Sep 29 2007, 10:20 AM)

I really do think that hiro will wind up doing all those things that Kensei eventually got the credit for.
werent there places saying that Hiro was going to have some romantic releations with a princess? couldnt this be the swordsmiths daughter?
I think they both will. Well Hiro more than the other guy.
Banana Man
Oct 1 2007, 02:34 AM
QUOTE(mortiferum @ Sep 28 2007, 03:03 PM)

Anyone else think that Hiro actually turns out to be the Kensei sword saint that he looks upto so much?
I'm sure the word Paradox could be used here, then again maybe not?
He's going to spend a whole lot of time in the past trying to rectify what hes managed to change.
Bet he has starts a relationship with the swordsmiths daughters!
Morty
i agree, hiro wanted to be like kensei, and in the end he will be
Illusions
Oct 1 2007, 02:52 AM
That's exactly what I thought while I was watching the episode. Then again, it's kind of obvious in a way. Oh, heck, I'd love to see it happen.
Oh, and DiZ, I like your siggie.
orochi222
Oct 1 2007, 03:08 AM
Hiro could well turn out to be the hero, or he could end up convincing kensai to be the hero he's meant to be. wait and see i guess
sheep999
Oct 1 2007, 03:08 AM
QUOTE(mortiferum @ Sep 29 2007, 09:03 AM)

Anyone else think that Hiro actually turns out to be the Kensei sword saint that he looks upto so much?
I'm sure the word Paradox could be used here, then again maybe not?
He's going to spend a whole lot of time in the past trying to rectify what hes managed to change.
Bet he has starts a relationship with the swordsmiths daughters!
Morty
It would make sense for Hiro to be the actual Kensei, but a paradox would occur so its not really possible.
jigga jigga gee
Oct 1 2007, 03:19 AM
that post was wierd sheep 999, but i do like a good comment disagreeing with itself

. yeah i agree that the paradox wouldn't work, too much conteraction, though maybe if they found a tardis...
stella
Oct 1 2007, 03:24 AM
but if hiro manages to do everything else that kensei was supposed to then couldnt the time continuum (or whatever its called

) still work out? also, does anyone think that mr nakamura saying to ando that he had to tell hiro something was about hiro having to 'be' kensei? or something like "son you're hero is actually you in a different timeline".....maybe im confusing the issue.....!!
yiggs
Oct 1 2007, 03:38 AM
I think it would be pretty cool if Hiro became Kensei. It looks to be pretty plausible too.
zxmn
Oct 1 2007, 03:48 AM
Well.. in my opinion, i think Hiro will do what Kensei supposed to do, and gives the credit to the "real" kensei..
I don't think the story will goes with Hiro convincing Kensei to be a hero.. lol.. just my opinion.
stella
Oct 1 2007, 03:51 AM
yeh zxmn - i agree, if anything hiro will go around 'claiming' to be kensei so that the story lives on rather than getting kensei to see the light!! (doesnt seem like he cares)
axolotlman
Oct 1 2007, 04:06 AM
Hello from France :-)
What is strange is that the Kensei is english, european style but in the books, he's pictured as a japanese, I think Hiro will become Kensei, the swordsmith daughter and the villagers know and see is european ?
then Hiro and the swordsmith daughter will fall in love....( she doesn't seem to love the english....)
Montana
Oct 1 2007, 06:52 AM
I am kind of hoping Hiro isn't the "real" kensei. Although it seems highly likely that he will be (as someone said earlier, Hiro knows all the stories; his father told him them when he was achild and they have stuck with him, so if anyone is going to know how to do the things kensei supposedly did, then its going to be Hiro.) But yeah, I also think it would create a rather big paradox (but then again, maybe Hiro will have to go back and forward in time, fixing the things he mucks up whilst trying to do Kensei's heroic acts.)
I quite like Kensei though, and I look forward to seeing where his character is going. Hiro sort of bugs me, and this story arc seems another way to make him way more powerful than he already is once more.
jinggoy
Oct 1 2007, 07:43 AM
Me too. I am hoping that Hiro is not the real kensei. It would be, I don't know, too obvious perhaps?
I am thinking that he will be instrumental in kensei being the legend that he is. Just that.
And then he can get back to the future and comfort Ando
lilimoon
Oct 1 2007, 07:51 AM
QUOTE(yiggs @ Oct 1 2007, 02:38 PM)

I think it would be pretty cool if Hiro became Kensei. It looks to be pretty plausible too.
Sorry but i don't think so, each hero have to fulfill his own mission, and Hiro's mission is to save the world, kensei's mission was in the past...
So i think that it'll be quite better if hiro help kensei to help the princess.... (hoping that she's not going to fell in love with hiro)
Jayranger
Oct 1 2007, 07:56 AM
I hope Kensei dies, and then Hiro becomes Kensei. Predictable, but in a bizarre way, I want at least one hearty, predictable storyline that doesn't leave me perplexed in Heroes.
daisyhero09
Oct 1 2007, 07:59 AM
It is a little obvious, but it would still be coll to see Hiro to do Samurai stuff and get the swordsmith's daughter (awkward scenes ensue) He really should contact Ando though....
MultipleMan
Oct 1 2007, 09:57 AM
I think that the Kensei that Hiro heard stories about actually was the hero. However, when Hiro goes back and sees that there is an "untold story" behind the whole thing, he actually steps up and makes the stories he learned about Kensei true.
Integral
Oct 1 2007, 10:07 AM
Hiro is too superstitious about time paradoxes. If Kensei dies he'll go mad.
Godsend_uk
Oct 1 2007, 10:32 AM
Surely it's too obvious that Hiro 'becomes' Kensei - gets the girl etc. I'm sure the writers know that it's obvious and they've got a surprise or two up their sleeves! But Hiro looking at the Kensei stories and it turns out that it was actually him all along, that would be kinda cool!
suibhne
Oct 1 2007, 11:24 AM
Does Kensei have an ability?, there must be something in it, i know what you mean wen it would be too obvious for hiro to become kensei, there must be something with the girls father as it was his sword.
hlin250
Oct 1 2007, 11:32 AM
Perhaps Hiro take Kensei back into the future to show him what a vital role he plays and convinces him to become a hero. Maybe Hiro teaches Kensei how to fight, as far as I remember we have seen no demonstration that Kensei can actually use the sword.
The Big Cheese
Oct 1 2007, 11:58 AM
I am disappointed that Kensei is not some awesome fighter, but the new character is more complex in a way. And I wonder why the swordsmith put the symbol on the sword.
hlin250
Oct 1 2007, 12:02 PM
QUOTE(The Big Cheese @ Oct 1 2007, 09:58 PM)

I am disappointed that Kensei is not some awesome fighter, but the new character is more complex in a way. And I wonder why the swordsmith put the symbol on the sword.
Every swordsmith has his own symbol, a bit like branding just to show it is theirs. What is unusual is the other times that that symbol shows up in Heroes.
kunas1
Oct 1 2007, 12:05 PM
I think kensei sword is saint, because it haves to be, imagine that it wasn't saint, it don't have meaning, if it wasn't why they put him into the serie, and why do they "put# hiro in the pass "whit the sword" , the sword is saint, I know
Jownathown
Oct 1 2007, 01:05 PM
I think that he is the sword saint. and thats how he becomes bad ass hiro (future hiro)
Mr_Stabby
Oct 1 2007, 01:24 PM
Ive got a feeling he will eventually himself assume the name of kensei and create the legend
robbo17
Oct 1 2007, 01:29 PM
yh it does sound like it i mean it cnt be an english guy can it
tropical420
Oct 1 2007, 02:29 PM
I'm actually quite annoyed that Kensei is a bit of a wash out, that's theo nly bad thing about the episode in general, but I do agree with stella... i do love the idea of hiro going around as kensai and kicking rear!
Kastion2000
Oct 1 2007, 03:11 PM
QUOTE(mortiferum @ Sep 28 2007, 04:03 PM)

Anyone else think that Hiro actually turns out to be the Kensei sword saint that he looks upto so much?
I'm sure the word Paradox could be used here, then again maybe not?
He's going to spend a whole lot of time in the past trying to rectify what hes managed to change.
Bet he has starts a relationship with the swordsmiths daughters!
Morty
That's exactly what I said to a friend of mine who watches the series "Bet you $5 Hiro ends up being Kensei in the past to fix stuff and that's the *legacy* his father was talking about."
But then...
QUOTE
yeah but if this was true the writers made it too obvious. lol.
I wonder why...
wannabe hero_riceboy39_*
Oct 1 2007, 03:27 PM
QUOTE(mortiferum @ Sep 28 2007, 03:03 PM)

Anyone else think that Hiro actually turns out to be the Kensei sword saint that he looks upto so much?
I'm sure the word Paradox could be used here, then again maybe not?
He's going to spend a whole lot of time in the past trying to rectify what hes managed to change.
Bet he has starts a relationship with the swordsmiths daughters!
Morty
i think your right and that hiro does turn out to be kensei
sylar_md
Oct 1 2007, 03:39 PM
I figure Kensei wont really mature much noticing how much of a slacker he is ATM. He might see Hiro trying to do the right thing and be inspired by him or he might just sit back relax drink some Sake and let Hiro do everything.
Ozniss
Oct 1 2007, 04:27 PM
Yeah I agree Hiro must become Kensi, which is a little wierd that he may become his own herothat he looked up to in his childhood
Kimura Yuji
Oct 1 2007, 04:29 PM
If Hiro is Takezo Kensei, he's gonna get the hot daughter of the blacksmith!!!
Hooray, Hiro is gonna get lucky! But those stories on the Yamagato website sure seem pretty surreal. I mean even for the whole mutant evolution story. Is Hiro actually gonna fight against a Huge Beat and a crazy tyrannic samurai and even more unbelievable learn from a dragon and instead of giving his loved one stabbing his own chest and ripping his heart out holding it in the air and still being able to say
"My love is in here, take it!"
Okay it is a sci-fi show but way beyond believable with this...
hehe
Iituem
Oct 1 2007, 04:32 PM
Is the daughter really all that hot? Besides, the 'legend' states that he finds the sword rather than having it made for him, so it's pretty clear that there's been a level of embellishment over the centuries.
I do wonder if that 'dragon' can see people. Right into their dreams. Or something along those lines.
As for the white-bearded warlord, we don't know. He might be a "Hero" too.
emoianc
Oct 1 2007, 04:33 PM
yea i agree that hiro will turn out to be kensei
MatKWin
Oct 1 2007, 04:40 PM
Yeah I think Hiro will be kensi ... that explains how Kensi is such a great warrior ... he frezzes time then kills everyone one or what ever needs to be done
sabin
Oct 1 2007, 05:31 PM
it could be like gilgamesh and enkidu. Hiro could be Enkidu (except not a coward) and Kensei is gilgamesh. I think eventually hiro will sway kensei's mind and he'll become the hero he needed to be.
chicky841
Oct 1 2007, 05:37 PM
No....I dont think that Hiro will Kensei that would be too weird and convulted.
voronwe
Oct 1 2007, 06:11 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it turned out. The timeline makes no sense to me, but then again neither did the "Claire was saved but somehow NYC still blew up" alternate timeline that we saw in the future episode of season 1.
lucian
Oct 1 2007, 06:16 PM
I think Hiro as Kensai is the way it is going, but it seems like it could be a little lame. Hiro having a romantic interest with a girl in the past? If this goes any further like, Hiro somehow being his own great great great great grandfather due to this affair, I would laugh.
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