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TrueDevotion
Future Peter's Scar... was it a result of the bomb going off?
I didnt get a clear shot of him in the crate, so I'm going by memory and say I didn't see a scar...
Was he suppose to get the scar from the explosion? Nathan looks pretty scarred.. Peter seems fine on the other hand.
sergiomr88
I don't think Nathan was scarred, it was just the imagined reflection. It seems that Peter will remain without scar in this timeline, or for some more episodes.
konichiwa
I think he wasn't talking about the reflection..
He was saying about Peter being in that crate.
I didn't see the scar either..
But there's a necklace..
That's new..
Cloud43
I've always thought that scar came from a blade. And F-Hiro mentions that same scar when he first sees him...maybe the guilt he had for giving peter that scar left for a moment when he saw p-Peter....or I am just jumping to a big conclusion.
sergiomr88
The scar looks like it came from a blade, but Peter survives an explosion intact and canīt stand a big cut? Kinda odd.
Cloud43
Well I was thinking that Peter gets that scar before he meets Claire...like...maybe Hiro is trying to get back the present but lands someone before Peter met claire and for someone reason slashed his face or something...or maybe it wasn't hiro but someone else with a blade who can time travel.
This one's tough but I hear there WILL be an explantion.
sergiomr88
Peter gets the scar in the first timeline, and when Hiro travels to the future Peter was fine in the present. That makes us think that the scar occurred somewhere in the future. Maybe Peter was unable to use his heeling power for some reason.
Cloud43
Yes, it should happen in the next five years but he has claire's healing ability so its hard for that to happen. Unless maybe the Hatian was involved.
iocus
The haitian was involved? Peter gets cut, and spends enough time with the haitian for the cut to scar? Unlikely...
Cloud43
Yeah I know...its the only one I can think of right now, its late and I am tired...but damn! I need to know how this happens!
flyck
well peter didn't had the scar in the box so that part still has to happen.

However since he lost his memories it could be possible that he doesn't remember clair... So he can't heal himself when he is cut by someone or something.

He only remembers one power which was associated with anger... and that was the power he took from sylar.
Cloud43
But wasn't he healing when that Irish chick was cleaning his wounds?
flyck
QUOTE(Cloud43 @ Oct 2 2007, 12:42 AM) *
But wasn't he healing when that Irish chick was cleaning his wounds?

could be, but that doesn't mean he remebers how he did it en why. So it is still possible he can't remeber it when it is needed.
bribri
maybe wen he exploded he generated himself but could not work very well hence having dat scar along his face..
or everyones saving from a blade?!..
Halfasleep
Mabey the lack of scar is from a different timeline. Causality and all that jazz.
flyck
QUOTE(Halfasleep @ Oct 2 2007, 12:53 AM) *
Mabey the lack of scar is from a different timeline. Causality and all that jazz.


is also a possibility. However the first time we saw the scar we were 5 years ahead. So much can still happen.

QUOTE(bribri @ Oct 2 2007, 12:50 AM) *
maybe wen he exploded he generated himself but could not work very well hence having dat scar along his face..
or everyones saving from a blade?!..


Well i don't think it is from a blade... but also not from an explosion. He exploded just like he would do when they were in the future. So it wouldn't make sense to have the scar only once from 2 identical scenarios
DeepPyro
QUOTE(TrueDevotion @ Oct 2 2007, 08:33 AM) *
Future Peter's Scar... was it a result of the bomb going off?
I didnt get a clear shot of him in the crate, so I'm going by memory and say I didn't see a scar...
Was he suppose to get the scar from the explosion? Nathan looks pretty scarred.. Peter seems fine on the other hand.


I never got that. How can he have a scar when he has Claires power?

DP
flyck
QUOTE(DeepPyro @ Oct 2 2007, 12:57 AM) *
I never got that. How can he have a scar when he has Claires power?

DP


Well , he only has clair her power when he can think of her. However if he doesn't remember her... smile.gif
Skaithak
I will refrain from entering a discussion on time-travel theory, as this post would likely be several hundred words long by the time I'd finished that, but Peter had the scar 5 years in the future because he had not met Claire in that timeline. During that sequence of events, Claire was killed by Sylar at homecoming, and Peter was not there to stop him. Thus, when he received what looks like a sword wound, it never regenerated.

In this timeline, where FutureHiro came back and told Peter what was going to happen, Peter was there to stop Sylar from killing Claire, and at the same time absorbed Claire's regenerative power. IF he still received that same sword wound (which he should not do, seeing as, according to the butterfly effect, that event will not occur) then he would just regenerate, leaving no scar.

However, if I got this all wrong and you're referring to the reflection Nathan saw in the mirror (I am personally unsure whether this was Peter or Nathan he saw), then no, we have not yet had an explanation as to what this is all about.
Cloud43
QUOTE(DeepPyro @ Oct 2 2007, 01:57 AM) *
I never got that. How can he have a scar when he has Claires power?

DP


Well thats the problem everyone here is trying to solve. HOW can he get a scar IF her can instantly heal?
pinkeltje
I'm thinking the same - there could be alternate futures because of past events ?
The explosion took place, but not in the same place as foretold.
Cloud43
QUOTE(Skaithak @ Oct 2 2007, 01:59 AM) *
I will refrain from entering a discussion on time-travel theory, as this post would likely be several hundred words long by the time I'd finished that, but Peter had the scar 5 years in the future because he had not met Claire in that timeline. During that sequence of events, Claire was killed by Sylar at homecoming, and Peter was not there to stop her. Thus, when he received what looks like a sword wound, it never regenerated.

In this timeline, where FutureHiro came back and told Peter what was going to happen, Peter was there to stop Sylar from killing Claire, and at the same time absorbed Claire's regenerative power. IF he still received that same sword wound (which he should not do, seeing as, according to the butterfly effect, that event will not occur) then he would just regenerate, leaving no scar.

However, if I got this all wrong and you're referring to the reflection Nathan saw in the mirror (I am personally unsure whether this was Peter or Nathan he saw), then no, we have not yet had an explanation as to what this is all about.


No, you got it. That's the mystery, 5 years in the future Peter had already saved Claire and gained her ability BUT STILL had a scar....makes no sense.
damo666
QUOTE(Cloud43 @ Oct 2 2007, 10:02 AM) *
No, you got it. That's the mystery, 5 years in the future Peter had already saved Claire and gained her ability BUT STILL had a scar....makes no sense.



at some point i think he will lose his powers or get cut by the sword.
ksharp
too big a mystery
flyck
QUOTE(Skaithak @ Oct 2 2007, 12:59 AM) *
I will refrain from entering a discussion on time-travel theory, as this post would likely be several hundred words long by the time I'd finished that, but Peter had the scar 5 years in the future because he had not met Claire in that timeline. During that sequence of events, Claire was killed by Sylar at homecoming, and Peter was not there to stop him. Thus, when he received what looks like a sword wound, it never regenerated.

In this timeline, where FutureHiro came back and told Peter what was going to happen, Peter was there to stop Sylar from killing Claire, and at the same time absorbed Claire's regenerative power. IF he still received that same sword wound (which he should not do, seeing as, according to the butterfly effect, that event will not occur) then he would just regenerate, leaving no scar.

However, if I got this all wrong and you're referring to the reflection Nathan saw in the mirror (I am personally unsure whether this was Peter or Nathan he saw), then no, we have not yet had an explanation as to what this is all about.


actually went they went to the future, clair was already rescued by peter. so the future peter would already have met clair and her abilities.
The Big Cheese
Yeah but it would have been less cool without the scar, and the storyline would not work... It is all pretty confusing
masaobin
Remember that Peter had a bit of Claire's power so he could heal quickly. I wonder how he lost his memory though. Could he have picked up more powers in the explosion?
Maldito Ninja
QUOTE(DeepPyro @ Oct 2 2007, 01:57 AM) *
I never got that. How can he have a scar when he has Claires power?

DP


In the episode 5 years in the future Sylar took Claire's powers, and Peter never knew about the "Cheerleader" that's why he has a scar.

QUOTE(masaobin @ Oct 2 2007, 03:57 AM) *
Remember that Peter had a bit of Claire's power so he could heal quickly. I wonder how he lost his memory though. Could he have picked up more powers in the explosion?


The Haitian?

Peter has the same necklace as The Haitian.

edit: The necklace that Peter has is The Haitian's, when The Hatian meets with Mr. Bennet he has no necklace
Cloud43
QUOTE(Maldito Ninja @ Oct 2 2007, 08:31 PM) *
In the episode 5 years in the future Sylar took Claire's powers, and Peter never knew about the "Cheerleader" that's why he has a scar.
The Haitian?

Peter has the same necklace as The Haitian.

edit: The necklace that Peter has is The Haitian's, when The Hatian meets with Mr. Bennet he has no necklace


Well that's in the ORIGINAL time line. Episode 20 "5 Years Gone" is what happens IF the bomb goes off, and we all know Peter was the bomb. So, that means that he DID encounter Claire because Sylar didn't kill her at homecoming (although he got her at the white house)....
So the mystery is WHY does Peter have a scar in the future IF he encountered Claire? F-Hiro confirms this to F-Noah as well.
GeneZ
my theory bout the scar smile.gif
the bomb exploding future is when future hiro didnt go bak 2 time to ask peter to save the cheerleader, thats why the bomb happened, and peter did not meet claire at an earlier time so maybe something with sylar happened that made the scar. since he didnt meet claire.
Cloud43
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Oct 3 2007, 08:57 AM) *
my theory bout the scar smile.gif
the bomb exploding future is when future hiro didnt go bak 2 time to ask peter to save the cheerleader, thats why the bomb happened, and peter did not meet claire at an earlier time so maybe something with sylar happened that made the scar. since he didnt meet claire.


I know what you're trying to say. The MYSTERY here is the fact that Peter STILL has a scar even after meeting Claire! He tells Nikki that the bomb was HIM. In that timeline Claire was saved (F-Hiro & F-Noah confirmed this) BY Peter. So WHY does he have a scar? I can't get an answer without getting deep into time-travel but I hear the writers know what they're doing so we'll have to wait and see.
Maldito Ninja
QUOTE(Cloud43 @ Oct 3 2007, 11:15 AM) *
I know what you're trying to say. The MYSTERY here is the fact that Peter STILL has a scar even after meeting Claire! He tells Nikki that the bomb was HIM. In that timeline Claire was saved (F-Hiro & F-Noah confirmed this) BY Peter. So WHY does he have a scar? I can't get an answer without getting deep into time-travel but I hear the writers know what they're doing so we'll have to wait and see.


Now you got me, didn't thought abouth that.
Cloud43
QUOTE(Maldito Ninja @ Oct 3 2007, 08:41 PM) *
Now you got me, didn't thought abouth that.


Yeah, it gets me too, but we will get answer. I don't think its plot hole...I read the writers DO have an explanation.
superspud123
its just not possible for peter to get scar when he can heal himself
Maldito Ninja
QUOTE(Cloud43 @ Oct 3 2007, 08:53 PM) *
Yeah, it gets me too, but we will get answer. I don't think its plot hole...I read the writers DO have an explanation.


I was thinking yesterday...

When Future Hiro sees Past Hiro he say something like: "What are you doing here?", right?, or im just imaging that.

How he can't remember about he traveling to the future and talking to himself?

AND.

If the cheerleader was saved, why NY was destroyed?

For the only thing that Hiro went to the future was to get the comic, the other things are just past timeline.
bignas1234
QUOTE(Maldito Ninja @ Oct 6 2007, 09:32 AM) *
I was thinking yesterday...

When Future Hiro sees Past Hiro he say something like: "What are you doing here?", right?, or im just imaging that.

How he can't remember about he traveling to the future and talking to himself?

AND.

If the cheerleader was saved, why NY was destroyed?

For the only thing that Hiro went to the future was to get the comic, the other things are just past timeline.


My answer to this question: If the cheerleader was saved, why NY was destroyed?


This is because in the future syler had blown up the city and regenerated from claires power
But in the present peter had saved her, so syler didn't get the power to regenerate causing the whole future to change
Now in the future peter is the bomb, because he got teds power, F-Hiro didn't know this as F-TV said it was syler who blew up city, so the city got blown up because of the cover up saying Syler blew up the town when it was actually Peter

altering the past or present will alter the future, making a new outcome
Maldito Ninja
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 6 2007, 01:48 PM) *
My answer to this question: If the cheerleader was saved, why NY was destroyed?
This is because in the future syler had blown up the city and regenerated from claires power
But in the present peter had saved her, so syler didn't get the power to regenerate causing the whole future to change
Now in the future peter is the bomb, because he got teds power, F-Hiro didn't know this as F-TV said it was syler who blew up city, so the city got blown up because of the cover up saying Syler blew up the town when it was actually Peter

altering the past or present will alter the future, making a new outcome



Well yeah, but when Past Hiro and Ando are in the future, the whole "Nathan flying with Peter, and Peter blowing up in the air" has passed and NY DIDN'T blew up.

The cheerleader was saved so she would convince Nathan to help his brother.



This is my explanation to my own question, i hope it makes sense, im not gonna open a new topic 'cuz is from season 1.

In the past, Hiro stab's Sylar, but he didn't die, and Peter explodes, later, Sylar kills Nathan and becomes President.

After the cheerleader was saved the future NY still was destroyed, why?, Nathan.

In a preview of some episode i saw Nathan in the future (NY was destroyed) and i though that it was a vision, like the one Peter had.

Maybe a vision that told him that even if the cheerleader was saved NY still will be destroyed, so he goes and helps Peter, and that's why it didn't explode.

Maybe we see that vision in future episodes.

unsure.gif
bignas1234
Yeah i get ur point, but what im trying to say is that the future is constantly changing, so at one point the future could show the city blown up, that is untill some one changes its cause
so in the present nathan takes peter up in the air to blow up therefore in the future at that time the city isn't blown up

In EP 20 when Ando and Hiro go in the future they are looking into the future at that current time, so the whole nathan takin peter up into he air never existed, Hiro stabbing syler never existed. A whole different scene had happened which the future sed, that peter had blown up the city.
The actions of nathan changed the future, he took peter into the air, stopped city from blowing up
Hence the sayin 'the future isn't written in stone' meaning that the future can be changed

All this future stuff is a bit complicated to explain dry.gif
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Peters scar came from the very first timeline where no one had intefered with time, the very first time the timeline was broken was when 1st timeline Hiro went back in time to the subway to give Peter the quest of saving the cheerleader, to which he has done this, encountered the cheerleader, gained the ability to regenerate and can no longer be scarred,....... ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bignas1234
QUOTE(GIBBY @ Oct 6 2007, 03:41 PM) *
Peters scar came from the very first timeline where no one had intefered with time, the very first time the timeline was broken was when 1st timeline Hiro went back in time to the subway to give Peter the quest of saving the cheerleader, to which he has done this, encountered the cheerleader, gained the ability to regenerate and can no longer be scarred,....... ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yeah, thanks Gibby......its much easier talking in timlines, so here they are

Timeline 1: F-Hiro tells peter to save cheerleader, as in that times future syler killed her and took her brain (ability) and blew up the city
Change- Peter saves the cheerleader thus stopping syler getting her ability, changing the future

Timline 2: Hiro and Ando go into the future see that city is blown up, due to peter blowing it up
Change- nathan takes peter into the sky to blow up, thus changing the future with the city in tact and Peter won't get the scar

A bit off topic...
Doesn't people get the feeling that Hiro is connected to 'The Butterfly Effect', so when he changes things in the past he causes the risk of the present time to be much better or could be even make it worse than it was
E.g. F-Hiro telling Peter to save the cheerleader which he did but caused the bigger problem, peter exploding dry.gif
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
No,... the way u have to think is, their is/was a timeline which was played out without things being changed. Ando and Hiro visited this timeline in the Season 1 episode "5 Years Gone", it was a look the uneffected timeline, where Hiro had identified meeting Peter on the subway as the vital moment
bignas1234
QUOTE(GIBBY @ Oct 6 2007, 04:27 PM) *
No,... the way u have to think is, their is/was a timeline which was played out without things being changed. Ando and Hiro visited this timeline in the Season 1 episode "5 Years Gone", it was a look the uneffected timeline, where Hiro had identified meeting Peter on the subway as the vital moment


Yeh, got ya, F-Hiro was picking out points to change the actions that made the future, so to stop syler taking claires brain he had to tell peter to save her(in the train)
Whilst F-Hiro is trying to make things right don't you think he is making things even worse
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 6 2007, 04:35 PM) *
Yeh, got ya, F-Hiro was picking out points to change the actions that made the future, so to stop syler taking claires brain he had to tell peter to save her(in the train)
Whilst F-Hiro is trying to make things right don't you think he is making things even worse



Well no, something has been changed by F Hiro going back, maybe the fact that by searching her out that they realised they were related thus giving more reason for Nathan to save the day at the end of season 1


Damn Im good tongue.gif
bignas1234
QUOTE(GIBBY @ Oct 6 2007, 04:39 PM) *
Well no, something has been changed by F Hiro going back, maybe the fact that by searching her out that they realised they were related thus giving more reason for Nathan to save the day at the end of season 1
Damn Im good tongue.gif


Yeah but if future Hiro didn't go into the past then Peter wouldn't be in the boat that he is now
for example peter wasn't the planned guy to blow up the city is was syler but since F-Hiro went into the past & changed the future fate made peter the blowing up person, now he is with some irish guys with no past memories
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 6 2007, 04:46 PM) *
Yeah but if future Hiro didn't go into the past then Peter wouldn't be in the boat that he is now
for example peter wasn't the planned guy to blow up the city is was syler but since F-Hiro went into the past & changed the future fate made peter the blowing up person, now he is with some irish guys with no past memories



Peter was the cause in all timelines, Sylar got the blame. In the uneffected timeline(5 Years Gone)when Peter is faced in the corrider with Sylar its hinted at, that Sylar is the only one who knows hes responsible for the disaster,.......... geez wots so hard to understand here,..... u do watch the show?

Edit,.... he also confesses to Niki
Jester77
How and when Peter received his scar was never clarified and whether or not Peter will still receive the scar is unclear as well, if he does get the scar though I predict that it definetly won't be for many more episodes to come
tomie
QUOTE(TrueDevotion @ Oct 2 2007, 02:33 PM) *
Future Peter's Scar... was it a result of the bomb going off?
I didnt get a clear shot of him in the crate, so I'm going by memory and say I didn't see a scar...
Was he suppose to get the scar from the explosion? Nathan looks pretty scarred.. Peter seems fine on the other hand.


The future had changed because of Nathan bringing exploding Peter up in the sky in the last episode of Season 1

So thereotically, the scarred-face Peter doesn't exist. wink.gif
shadow06jm
didn't F-Hiro told
present hiro and ando
that he stab (or something Like it)
"the exploding man" but he
"regenerated"?

and since F-Peter confessed
to Nikki that he kiLLed Micah
and DL because he was "the bomb" (LoL)

so F-Hiro might be the one
who sLashed F-Peter
when he is about to expLode..

idunno..
Zspar
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