lwwoern
Oct 8 2007, 05:37 PM
I wonder how this is going to play out since Hiro seems to have fallen in love with the girl.
Psycho
Oct 8 2007, 06:09 PM
Hiro should have left!! ugh, this romance thing is gunna ruin his part of the story
miloytheman
Oct 8 2007, 06:43 PM
i don't know this may play out good for the development of hiro's character/story, but i do miss his interaction with ando. there were lots of funny situations with them in season one.
lwwoern
Oct 8 2007, 06:46 PM
Better yet, why couldn't Hiro leave when he tried to at the end of the episode?
adobo24
Oct 8 2007, 09:25 PM
I really want him to go home because I miss the duo of Ando and Hiro.
Gah, I wonder what's going to happen, I hope nothing bad that might mess up the continuum or whatever.
Cloud43
Oct 8 2007, 09:31 PM
I guess he stayed because he's going to try and get the girl....
This will be interesting.
LBC_girl
Oct 8 2007, 09:43 PM
What if it's some weird time thing like the girl and Kensei are his great great great (however many times) grandparents.
His father did tell him he had a legacy to carry forth.
tist
Oct 8 2007, 09:46 PM
i miss the duo with ando and hiro.. but im still hoping hiro is kensi, but now it's not looking that way.
GeneZ
Oct 9 2007, 03:23 AM
hmmm, did hiro stop trying to go back to the present, or did hiro couldnt go back to the present because he was effin heart broken again like last time, lol
minara
Oct 9 2007, 03:27 AM
QUOTE(lwwoern @ Oct 8 2007, 10:46 PM)

Better yet, why couldn't Hiro leave when he tried to at the end of the episode?
He didn't really try to leave at all... he was in the process and decided to stay.
I wonder if his leaving would have messed up history more than his staying?
Jester77
Oct 9 2007, 11:03 AM
I guess Hiro realized that he had to stay to help Kensei, though I'm sure that he had ulterior motives as well
shanniee
Oct 9 2007, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Oct 9 2007, 10:03 PM)

I guess Hiro realized that he had to stay to help Kensei, though I'm sure that he had ulterior motives as well
Yea I thought so too, he was in the process of going home but realised he had to stay and help Kensei to be sure history will go the way it is supposed to happen but by doing so will change history drastically (like Yaeko falls in love with Hiro because of this ).
Jester77
Oct 9 2007, 11:21 AM
QUOTE
Yea I thought so too, he was in the process of going home but realised he had to stay and help Kensei to be sure history will go the way it is supposed to happen but by doing so will change history drastically (like Yaeko falls in love with Hiro because of this ).
I hate the whole changing history thing, it gets so complicated cause I guess that Hiro would create another alternate future
Arch
Oct 9 2007, 11:25 AM
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Oct 9 2007, 10:21 PM)

I hate the whole changing history thing, it gets so complicated cause I guess that Hiro would create another alternate future
I sure hope not, the whole Hiro in the past is the least interesting part of the story. I was glad when he decided to leave, he shouldn't have stayed.
lastxcallforsin
Oct 9 2007, 11:35 AM
I can see it now... Hiro and Yaeko share an intimate moment, perhaps Hiro doubts his actions because of his friendship with Kensei, but Yaeko kisses him and Kensei walks in. Kensei thinks Hiro has betrayed him and reverts back to his brute self.
shanniee
Oct 9 2007, 11:39 AM
QUOTE(lastxcallforsin @ Oct 9 2007, 10:35 PM)

I can see it now... Hiro and Yaeko share an intimate moment, perhaps Hiro doubts his actions because of his friendship with Kensei, but Yaeko kisses him and Kensei walks in. Kensei thinks Hiro has betrayed him and reverts back to his brute self.
and by doing so, He becomes this person who is on revenge for Hiro.
He knows Hiro is from the Future and possible from which period.
He becomes Kane and is on a revenge tour because Hiro took his girl

With timetravel and immortality you never know what could happen
Jester77
Oct 9 2007, 11:43 AM
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I sure hope not, the whole Hiro in the past is the least interesting part of the story. I was glad when he decided to leave, he shouldn't have stayed.
I completely agree, this storyline is probably my least favorite at the moment
britet
Oct 9 2007, 11:51 AM
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Oct 9 2007, 12:21 PM)

I hate the whole changing history thing, it gets so complicated cause I guess that Hiro would create another alternate future
remember that hiro learned in the first season that he couldn't change the past....you could interpret that to simply mean
his
past, but I tend to think that the entire Kensei history was never played out except with hiro present, directing kensei around, as we're seeing it happen now. i.e., the stories hiro learned as a kid necessarily were played out by him, unbeknownst to him of course. obviously this creates serious causality issues, which have been dealt with repeatedly in sci-fi stories, but if you accept the premise of time-travel you have to sort of throw absolute causality out the window anyway.
Jester77
Oct 9 2007, 12:55 PM
QUOTE
remember that hiro learned in the first season that he couldn't change the past....you could interpret that to simply mean his past, but I tend to think that the entire Kensei history was never played out except with hiro present, directing kensei around, as we're seeing it happen now. i.e., the stories hiro learned as a kid necessarily were played out by him, unbeknownst to him of course. obviously this creates serious causality issues, which have been dealt with repeatedly in sci-fi stories, but if you accept the premise of time-travel you have to sort of throw absolute causality out the window anyway.
I actually did think that maybe Hiro was the original Kensei
terp13
Oct 9 2007, 12:58 PM
QUOTE(Jester77 @ Oct 9 2007, 12:43 PM)

I completely agree, this storyline is probably my least favorite at the moment

Me too. I wish Hiro would hurry up and get back to the present day where his story line is interesting. Him being my favourite character and all..
bignas1234
Oct 9 2007, 02:43 PM
Yeh Hiro's storyline has begun to lose steam, what more is there to do in the past??? he has straigtened out Kensei
looking at the love story, seems like Hiro is one of those hopeless lovers, as he loved that girl in texas but couldn't get with her, now he loves the japenese princess and kensei has got her, better luck next time
Jester77
Oct 9 2007, 06:16 PM
You're right, Hiro is totally a hopeless romantic
Greyhound
Oct 10 2007, 08:43 AM
Hiro could have left, he chose to stay. I think he chose to stay for selfish reasons (the girl, sense of adventure, etc..) not because he thought he had to.
shanniee
Oct 10 2007, 09:22 AM
QUOTE(Greyhound @ Oct 10 2007, 07:43 PM)

Hiro could have left, he chose to stay. I think he chose to stay for selfish reasons (the girl, sense of adventure, etc..) not because he thought he had to.
Yea because he made this choice, he will have to face the consequences and afterwards when he goes back to the present. He will see time has changed etc and to turn it back he has to undo everything he did in the past after he decided not to go back to the present and instead stay there in the past for an adventure..
So we're gonna see alot of timetravel of Hiro the upcoming episodes

Going to look forward about the altered present and seeing how Hiro manages to correct this alteration by himself
GeneZ
Oct 10 2007, 10:13 AM
yeah, why does he keep loving girls he can't have, lol.
Yuen
Oct 11 2007, 11:32 PM
im pretty sure that hiro not coming back to the future was pretty much already written in the history, what i mean is that hiro was already in the past... and this story will be very interesting since he will know the beginning of everything, his family legacy(his own legacy) the elders, the killer everything will be discovered mainly by hiro... so dont lost hope on his story it will be very good i believe!
And for sure Hiro will understand in the end that he doesnt belong in that era and will going to end going back to the present.
I just hope this doesnt turn on to be a love sope opra story, where hiro is in love of the girl and then try to gets the girl and then hiro fights kensei, or kensei leaves with a broken heart of 500years and then try to kill all of them... i mean IM PRETTY SURE HEROES CAN DO WAAAAY BETTER... plz not another boring love story.
StraNGeLaD
Oct 12 2007, 12:35 AM
From what I've read Hiro doesn't come back to the future until about halfway through the season which means we've undoubtedly got loads more of this slushy crap to come.
Doull
Oct 14 2007, 02:25 AM
Hiro Vs Kensei, I think I can see how this could happen. Yaeko knows who her Kensei is. Which is Hiro, the time when she handed the sword back to Kensei, she could tell when she touched hands that it was not the same hand that helped her onto the horse.
I think Yaeko is trying to work out why Hiro is not taking the credit for saving her, I expect we may see Yaeko confront Hiro on this and a relationship form between them.
Kensei will find out and who knows whats going to happen then?
advo
Oct 14 2007, 07:25 AM
I disagree, I think the Maya and her brother storyline is the most boring plot st the moment. Plus I like Kensei, but yeah, I would prefer him in present time so I wouldn't mind if they wrapped up the storyline.
I originally though too that Yaeko must have realized that "Kensei" who saved her and Kensei wasn't the same person when they touched hands in ep. 2. But then she was all over him in ep. 3 so regardless of which person saved her, I think she's genuinely falling for the Kensei, she knows now.
82Degrees
Oct 14 2007, 03:21 PM
QUOTE(Greyhound @ Oct 10 2007, 09:43 AM)

Hiro could have left, he chose to stay. I think he chose to stay for selfish reasons (the girl, sense of adventure, etc..) not because he thought he had to.
Selfish reasons??!! The Kensai would not even have the girl if it was not for Hiro. He practically did everything for him and handed the princess to him on a platter AND TAKING NO CREDIT FOR IT! That's pretty damn selfless to me.
Not to mention, he could of totally taken his mask off and made out with the princess in the falling flowers scene, but he didn't even though he really wanted to!
And I seriously doubt Yaeko realised it was actually Hiro in ep2, because:
a. Hiro was wearing gloves when he helped her on the horse
b. WTF?? You can't tell people apart from touching their skin! They only did it for a moment as well! If you meet a stranger, I highly doubt the thing you'd remember is the texture of their skin.... think about it.
And the most telling of all, near the end of the 3rd episode, Kensai bumps a cherry blossom tree and covers Yaeko with falling flowers. She gets all happy because that's what Hiro did when he rescued her in ep2. (the falling flowers is probably gonna be their "theme" for the rest of the season)
She thinks it was Kensai who rescued her not Hiro!
Doull
Oct 14 2007, 06:24 PM
QUOTE(82Degrees @ Oct 15 2007, 10:21 AM)

And I seriously doubt Yaeko realised it was actually Hiro in ep2, because:
a. Hiro was wearing gloves when he helped her on the horse
Dude, watch the scene again and look at the gloves this time

the gloves only protect the outside of his hands. all his fingers are clearly seen, hence Yaeko knows the difference
advo
Oct 15 2007, 04:35 AM
I don't think what Hiro doesn't is particular selfless. he knows that if Kensei and Yaeko doesn't fall in love history will change. Besides isn't it more cruel to push a guy toward a girl and when he's in love with her, then take her away. At least before Hiro's interference Kensei wouldn't have fallen for Yaeko because he never would have thought he had a chance with her. Now Kensei's really in love with her, to take that away would be cruel! Once Hiro had chosen that road, he shouldn't interfere anymore and that's what I'm afraid will happen.
But actually the title of this thread raise an interesting question. If Hiro and Kensei are on opposite sides and fighting each other, who would win? Hiro can travel in time and move faster etc, but Kensei can't die.
AmarU16
Oct 15 2007, 04:47 AM
LoL Hiro vs Kensei... Maybe i'll choose Hiro... He will travel back in time when
kensei was still a child maybe even when he is still a baby then kill him...
or travel back in time and kill Kensei's parents to keep them from making Kensei

..... many more ways
Jen31
Oct 15 2007, 07:17 AM
I want Hiro to come back to the present soon but I like his relationship with Kensei so I'm interested to see where they take the story. They've kept the storyline light and funny so far but I think things are going to change and the friendship between Hiro and Kensei will fall apart.
82Degrees
Oct 15 2007, 08:42 AM
QUOTE(Doull @ Oct 14 2007, 07:24 PM)

Dude, watch the scene again and look at the gloves this time

the gloves only protect the outside of his hands. all his fingers are clearly seen, hence Yaeko knows the difference

Yeah but you see the thing about the gloves; it covered the palms and the outside of the fingers. So if she wanted to see the actual fingers, she had to watch closely and wait for Hiro to present the right angle of his hand to her. And like most normal people she wasn't spending her time hovering over his hand, trying to catch a glimpse of his finger lol.
My other points still stands, and you don't tell people apart from looking at their hands......
82Degrees
Oct 15 2007, 09:24 AM
QUOTE(advo @ Oct 15 2007, 05:35 AM)

I don't think what Hiro doesn't is particular selfless. he knows that if Kensei and Yaeko doesn't fall in love history will change. Besides isn't it more cruel to push a guy toward a girl and when he's in love with her, then take her away. At least before Hiro's interference Kensei wouldn't have fallen for Yaeko because he never would have thought he had a chance with her. Now Kensei's really in love with her, to take that away would be cruel! Once Hiro had chosen that road, he shouldn't interfere anymore and that's what I'm afraid will happen.
But actually the title of this thread raise an interesting question. If Hiro and Kensei are on opposite sides and fighting each other, who would win? Hiro can travel in time and move faster etc, but Kensei can't die.
I don't think Kensei's in love with Yaeko, before Hiro came along, he didn't even try to make a move on her. All he wanted, was to do an easy job for some fast cash. His attitude with Yaeko after Hiro came along was more like "You mean I can become this legendary hero and have the hot chick!?? Sweet!" Hiro was bending over backwards to convince him to stop drinking and make him live up to his agreement with Yaeko (he took all her money beforehand too). He refused, and Hiro had to do all the stuff FOR him. Does that sound like a guy in love? Unlike Hiro on the other hand, who has googly eyes for Yaeko ever since he laid eyes on her.
One of the reasons I think why Hiro stayed was because maybe he realised he wasn't disrupting the timeline by helping Kensai, but in fact he was meant to travel back in time to help him. Time paradoxes come into play here. Also the real Kensai guy was too much of a flop to have done all these selfless deeds by himself, and the legends says Kensai's love for the princess was legendary. So maybe it was Hiro who was the real Kensai? Or at least the person who helps the Kensai along to greatness.
advo
Oct 15 2007, 11:25 AM
QUOTE(82Degrees @ Oct 15 2007, 10:24 AM)

I don't think Kensei's in love with Yaeko, before Hiro came along, he didn't even try to make a move on her. All he wanted, was to do an easy job for some fast cash. His attitude with Yaeko after Hiro came along was more like "You mean I can become this legendary hero and have the hot chick!?? Sweet!" Hiro was bending over backwards to convince him to stop drinking and make him live up to his agreement with Yaeko (he took all her money beforehand too). He refused, and Hiro had to do all the stuff FOR him. Does that sound like a guy in love? Unlike Hiro on the other hand, who has googly eyes for Yaeko ever since he laid eyes on her.
One of the reasons I think why Hiro stayed was because maybe he realised he wasn't disrupting the timeline by helping Kensai, but in fact he was meant to travel back in time to help him. Time paradoxes come into play here. Also the real Kensai guy was too much of a flop to have done all these selfless deeds by himself, and the legends says Kensai's love for the princess was legendary. So maybe it was Hiro who was the real Kensai? Or at least the person who helps the Kensai along to greatness.
That's what I said. Kensei would not had fallen in love with Yaeko, had it not been for Hiro. I agree that Kensei wasn't in love with her then, but that doesn't mean he isn't now.
shanniee
Oct 15 2007, 11:59 AM
QUOTE(advo @ Oct 15 2007, 10:25 PM)

That's what I said. Kensei would not had fallen in love with Yaeko, had it not been for Hiro. I agree that Kensei wasn't in love with her then, but that doesn't mean he isn't now.
We dont know for sure which parts of history Hiro substituted for Kensei and which parts Kensei played his part himself.
We know the fight with the 11/12 swords or somethign that Hiro was the one who did it but Kensei got the credit.
As you can now conclude, you dont know which person (Hiro or Kensei) did what event in history.
So you dont know which person Yaeko has to fall in love with, as in the stories Kensei did turned his sword into himself and fled with Yaeko after that event. But for all we know the Kensei who fled with Yaeko could be Hiro...
Although it seems highly unlikely that Hiro fled with Yaeko to the future or something.
But just a thought about the situation.
No one knows except the writers knows how the situation is.
We the fans can only speculate as what we are doing right now
advo
Oct 15 2007, 03:08 PM
Really, but erhm, if Hiro is the one the princess should fall in love with, then Hiro must be the "Kensei" in the legends except that Hiro to my knowledge can't cut his heart out and survive. Whereas Kensei might be able to grow himself a new one.
Open Circuit
Oct 22 2007, 07:23 PM
QUOTE(Psycho @ Oct 8 2007, 09:09 PM)

Hiro should have left!! ugh, this romance thing is gunna ruin his part of the story
This doesn't seem to be a real point of conversation
nokia6288
Oct 22 2007, 08:03 PM
hiro will not fight kensei... he will help kensei becoming the legend he always thought he was...
he knows by interfering the past, he risked to change the future... so he tried to correct what should have been, even letting go the love for the princess..
one of the funniest moment in heroes: hiro teleport kensei to confront 60 angry ronin to get the scroll..
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