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lwwoern
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better yet, what does that painting mean?
Psycho
Mr.Bennet is this guy i believe...

hmm is he hiding something?

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as of the painting all i saw was mr.bennet dead
was that claire hugging west? or kissing?
lwwoern
He is hiding something, but my question is what is the meaning of that painting?
Aerdna
I thought it was pretty cool that they made the painting look similar to Peter's first "death" in Odessa.

The blonde also could be Elle, or Niki since it looks like she's going to be up to no good, but it's most likely Claire.
FlyingMan
Even though the painting doesn't really reveal that much, I'm getting the feeling that Mr. Bennet will die at the hands of West -- leading me to believe that since this was part of the series of paintings, West is the hooded killer that killed Kaito and attacked Angela. The only problem is how would he know who Kaito and Angela are if he only remembered "the guy with the Horn-Rimmed glasses"? And Kaito recognized his killer.
nickwp
I think that he will nearly die, but then Claire will donate an organ or something, seeing as she can grow one back, and was talking about donating organs in the other episode, and the Haitian will be there to stop her healing in front of the doctors during the transplant operation. Just speculation though, would be a shame if they killed him off.
Kastion2000
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I'm getting the feeling that Mr. Bennet will die at the hands of West


I thought the same thing when I saw that. This is all speculation obviously but from the tension between Claire & HRG at the end who's the say she doesn't find out more bad things he may have done in the past and looks the other way when West attacks him?

The painting to me looked lit HRG dead and Claire & West holding each other off to the side.
adobo24
Damn the painting stifled me a bit, it really surprised me.

The theory about how Claire growing an organ back could happen, I wouldn't be surprised.

I doubt HRG's character could be gone. =[
LadyAvisynh
QUOTE(adobo24 @ Oct 8 2007, 11:17 PM) *
Damn the painting stifled me a bit, it really surprised me.

The theory about how Claire growing an organ back could happen, I wouldn't be surprised.

I doubt HRG's character could be gone. =[


I hope he's not. But we all know about Isaac's paintings. Not always what they seem.
tist
QUOTE(FlyingMan @ Oct 8 2007, 08:17 PM) *
Even though the painting doesn't really reveal that much, I'm getting the feeling that Mr. Bennet will die at the hands of West -- leading me to believe that since this was part of the series of paintings, West is the hooded killer that killed Kaito and attacked Angela. The only problem is how would he know who Kaito and Angela are if he only remembered "the guy with the Horn-Rimmed glasses"? And Kaito recognized his killer.

I was thinking this too.. another thing about the hooded killer. Kaito and *** both fell off the roof, yet only kaitos body was found. West flies so there's a small possibility i guess he killed him. However, he's young and it doesnt make much sense to begin with.. As for the painting, it is possible thats west and claire in the background but initially i thought it was nikki.
Kastion2000
Here's a image of the painting we see at the end:



I really think that looks like Claire...but who knows maybe the writers want us to think that..
bostero2
Couldn't 'Claire' be Sylar using Candice's abillity... Or maybe Sylar is looking like West and he is the one kissing Claire... After all it's so dark in the right upper corner that it reminds me how Isaac painted Sylar in the first season...
gamecreator
QUOTE(bostero2 @ Oct 9 2007, 12:03 AM) *
Couldn't 'Claire' be Sylar using Candice's abillity... Or maybe Sylar is looking like West and he is the one kissing Claire... After all it's so dark in the right upper corner that it reminds me how Isaac painted Sylar in the first season...

I was just about to suggest that. Sylar could be distracting Claire so she doesn't see Noah.
chrisrayn
QUOTE(bostero2 @ Oct 9 2007, 02:03 AM) *
Couldn't 'Claire' be Sylar using Candice's abillity... Or maybe Sylar is looking like West and he is the one kissing Claire... After all it's so dark in the right upper corner that it reminds me how Isaac painted Sylar in the first season...


you know, i just registered a forum account to say the exact same thing you just said about the "West" character in the painting being Sylar.

but i don't think sylar is the assassin. (not that i'm saying you said you did)
GeneZ
hmm maybe its not claire, could be a new character? tongue.gif
shanniee
Well we all know Isaacs paintings are not what they seem and that there is more then the eye meets.
For all we know it could be Nikki, Elle or just Claire who are all blond..

But that dark person seriously looks like Nathan when I rewatched it here on my computer...
If you look the episode again you should look how his hair is...
It really looks like the hair of Nathans.. (or it could just be me imagining too much).
But you also cant see if they're kissing or just hugging...
minara
QUOTE(Aerdna @ Oct 8 2007, 10:21 PM) *
I thought it was pretty cool that they made the painting look similar to Peter's first "death" in Odessa.

The blonde also could be Elle, or Niki since it looks like she's going to be up to no good, but it's most likely Claire.



QUOTE(Kastion2000 @ Oct 9 2007, 01:52 AM) *
Here's a image of the painting we see at the end:



I really think that looks like Claire...but who knows maybe the writers want us to think that..

It looks like Claire to me, she is even wearing the cheerleading uniform. smile.gif
Kussa
Are you sure he said horn rimmed?

Im pretty sure he said one rimmed glasses.

Anyway back to business. Im 80% sure that it is Bennett, the only thing that im wondering about is there any other character that we have seen that is part of the company with glasses. Thats the only thing that can turn him off it.

Then there is this painitng clare kissing someone im pretty sure thats what i saw while here dad was dead maybe West did something to him or maybe Clair's question can she heal other people when she asked him mayb come true?
twelvepointfour
how can she give him an organ? he was shot in the head, shed have to give him her brain and thats where her ability is so she wouldnt grow it back and it wouldnt work anyway! its a brain... also the painting it could be someone holding claire back and if it were sylar who killed him whilst pretending to be someone else he could have just used one of his abilities rather than a gun.
shanniee
QUOTE(twelvepointfour @ Oct 9 2007, 03:26 PM) *
how can she give him an organ? he was shot in the head, shed have to give him her brain and thats where her ability is so she wouldnt grow it back and it wouldnt work anyway! its a brain... also the painting it could be someone holding claire back and if it were sylar who killed him whilst pretending to be someone else he could have just used one of his abilities rather than a gun.


I totally forgout about that..
The person is shot in the head, meaning Claire wouldnt be able to give her own brain or the part from the head where its shot. Else Claire dies...

But is Claire kissing the other person or hugging I cant see the difference :x
Its very vague (damn Tim kring biggrin.gif )..
Vikingisme
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 9 2007, 05:51 AM) *
I totally forgout about that..
The person is shot in the head, meaning Claire wouldnt be able to give her own brain or the part from the head where its shot. Else Claire dies...

But is Claire kissing the other person or hugging I cant see the difference :x
Its very vague (damn Tim kring biggrin.gif )..


I think thats Claire and I think she's hugging whoever that is.
Why in the world would she be kissing someone when her father dies? rolleyes.gif

But I have to agree though that there is definitely a twist to the painting. I just can't see Noah dying.
shanniee
QUOTE(Vikingisme @ Oct 9 2007, 04:22 PM) *
I think thats Claire and I think she's hugging whoever that is.
Why in the world would she be kissing someone when her father dies? rolleyes.gif

But I have to agree though that there is definitely a twist to the painting. I just can't see Noah dying.


You never know eh ? laugh.gif

But if shes hugging someone then we have 2 options from that point tongue.gif

- Nathan hugging Claire (saying how hes feeling good etc that shes fine etc. but is in fact Sylar)
- West hugging Claire but he killed HRG.. (Claire doesnt know)?
Vikingisme
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 9 2007, 06:55 AM) *
You never know eh ? laugh.gif

But if shes hugging someone then we have 2 options from that point tongue.gif

- Nathan hugging Claire (saying how hes feeling good etc that shes fine etc. but is in fact Sylar)
- West hugging Claire but he killed HRG.. (Claire doesnt know)?


I'm betting on the second option. But its kind of evil since Claire's gonna hate West forever when she finds out. Oh well, I never liked West anyway.

On second thought, I don't think he's would be that evil.
obey
QUOTE(Kastion2000 @ Oct 8 2007, 11:52 PM) *
Here's a image of the painting we see at the end:



I really think that looks like Claire...but who knows maybe the writers want us to think that..


now that we know that sylar has janice's powers(the illusion power), we don't know who is who in the picture.

1. it could be west kissing claire, noah lying dead on the floor.
2. it could be claire kissing sylar pretending to be west.
3. OR it could be west kissing sylar pretending to be claire, right after west kills noah.
theLunastar
I don't think Noah is gonna die yet, because wasn't Angela supposed to die after Nakamura died? So I think there's still hope; like someone said before, Isaac's paintings aren't concrete
bostero2
Maybe he's not evil, but when West sees HRG he would most probably filled with anger or curiosity like Matt and Ted did... But instead of just threatening he actually pulls the trigger...

But for me it's Sylar who actually kills him... But I don't know if the painting will come true just as we see it... After all Claire is in her Odessa cheerleading outfit and not the new one...
Machy07
i really hope HRG doesn't die. mabye Hiro staying in the past for longer will mess up time and some of the things Issac has painted won't come true. unsure.gif
One_Hiro
I think Bob from the company sends Nikki to kill HRG, just because there's several bullet holes, and obviously HRG is shot in the eye. That could be West comforting Claire after they find him shot dead at the Butler residence. More than likely it's that simple, but this is what makes it difficult, HRG has to figure, just how they get to this point, and how to change it.
shanniee
QUOTE(One_Hiro @ Oct 9 2007, 09:53 PM) *
I think Bob from the company sends Nikki to kill HRG, just because there's several bullet holes, and obviously HRG is shot in the eye. That could be West comforting Claire after they find him shot dead at the Butler residence. More than likely it's that simple, but this is what makes it difficult, HRG has to figure, just how they get to this point, and how to change it.


I think the hard part in changing a timeline is,
How to prevent your own death when you know you will die...
terp13
QUOTE(FlyingMan @ Oct 8 2007, 08:17 PM) *
Even though the painting doesn't really reveal that much, I'm getting the feeling that Mr. Bennet will die at the hands of West -- leading me to believe that since this was part of the series of paintings, West is the hooded killer that killed Kaito and attacked Angela. The only problem is how would he know who Kaito and Angela are if he only remembered "the guy with the Horn-Rimmed glasses"? And Kaito recognized his killer.


Great analysis there. I'd forgotten all about that hooded killer! There are so many stories going on it's hard to keep track. blink.gif
One_Hiro
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 9 2007, 02:57 PM) *
I think the hard part in changing a timeline is,
How to prevent your own death when you know you will die...


Issac's paintings aren't set in stone! Just because it shows you dead, dosen't mean your going to die. It showed Peter dead...but before he got to that point he gained Claire's powers. It showed Claire dead, but that got foiled too.
Jester77
Alright I definetly was caught off guard by this painting. HRG has to die now, I can't see any way out of it and that definetly sucks cause I love the character and it seems like Claire will betray him since she is kissing some guy (probably West?) in the corner
awesomemac
Maybe Claire shoots Sylar (bottom left), and then ends up kissing West? Or hugging Noah? I don't want Noah to die!
One_Hiro
I doubt VERY seriouslt if HRG dies. It's wayyyy too soon in the series.
Jester77
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I doubt VERY seriouslt if HRG dies. It's wayyyy too soon in the series.


Well just because the painting exists doesn't mean that it will happen soon, the painting of Nathan in the White House didn't technically come true until 5 years later
LBC_girl
Clearly the only way to avoid this from coming true is for Noah to never wear the blue shirt with the white stripes ever again. Plain and simple.

I really hope he doesn't die though, I do like his character. He was becoming good and wanting to help people. And he was starting to be more open with Clair.
peter88
Looks to me like some one comforting claire as noah is shot in the head. Noah plays a big part in the heroes storyline, certainly wouldn't want to see him dead.
Mr. Extra Extra
QUOTE(awesomemac @ Oct 9 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Maybe Claire shoots Sylar (bottom left), and then ends up kissing West? Or hugging Noah? I don't want Noah to die!

I was thinking the same. Like in most movies and shows where there are doubles and Sylar turns into Noah now that he has Candice's powers and he wants to get Claire's but real Noah shows up and shoots Sylar. Just a theory... BUT if he died, he'd have to turn back into his original form, so you never know...
Sawa
QUOTE(Kastion2000 @ Oct 9 2007, 02:52 AM) *
Here's a image of the painting we see at the end:



I really think that looks like Claire...but who knows maybe the writers want us to think that..


1 - I'm quite sure that the girl is the picture must be Claire ( look at her dress)
2- I'm not sure about this idea. However, I dont think the person hugging Claire is either West or Nathan since both of them never wear glasses before.
3 - I'm doubt that the person hugging Claire look really similar to Mr.Bennet

--> It could be Sylar who does that under the control of "the company"
( Ppl in Heroes who I have ever seen wearing glasses are Hiro, Mohinder and Mr. Bennet - except ppl who can transform or make ppl get illusionary)
Hikari
It appears that Mr Bennet has been shot through the eye shown by the hole in his glasses and the blood flowing out of the wound. The blonde woman appears to be Claire hugging a dark figure taller than herself possibly West. However it is almost impossible that West killed Kaito considering his height and comparing it to that of the killers. The killer was short and appeared to have the height of a rather short teenager whereas West is around a head taller than Claire making him almost the same height as Mr Bennet.
Kussa
Im pretty sure that she is kissing him.

And I think we will be waiting a fair while before we see that image coming true as it is. Considering we are waiting for Sylar to get his powers back which im guessing is going to take a few more episodes. We have to wait for Clair and West to actually get together and We have to wait until clair's dad gets a photo with the lover on it.
Chibi
My guess is that West will kill Noah, and Claire won't mind, cause she loves him xD
I mean... West shoots Noah, and them he kisses her and... yeah, something like that! ^^
Jayranger
Sylar doesn't have any powers, including Candice's power...he didn't take anything from her, he just killed her and couldn't use his powers...
shanniee
QUOTE(Jayranger @ Oct 10 2007, 08:12 PM) *
Sylar doesn't have any powers, including Candice's power...he didn't take anything from her, he just killed her and couldn't use his powers...


He did take the knowledge of Candice's ability but he could not use this ability.
The reason for that is still unknown but you can assume that its most likely because of the virus.
Thats why Sylar cant use any of his abilities.
Most likely he as well has been affected by the virus.
mightyskawarrior
Considering the Bennet family are in hiding don't you think its a little bit stupid of noah to live in a place where he has worked as part of The Company. If he artificially injected West causing him to develop powers surely he would not return to a town where he would be recognised.
This makes me think that Noah is not the guy with the horn rimmed glasses, there is another guy wearing similar glasses working for the company or my personal favourite theroy West is lying and was sent by the company to find Noah.
bignas1234
QUOTE(mightyskawarrior @ Oct 12 2007, 07:08 AM) *
Considering the Bennet family are in hiding don't you think its a little bit stupid of noah to live in a place where he has worked as part of The Company. If he artificially injected West causing him to develop powers surely he would not return to a town where he would be recognised.
This makes me think that Noah is not the guy with the horn rimmed glasses, there is another guy wearing similar glasses working for the company or my personal favourite theroy West is lying and was sent by the company to find Noah.


mightyskawarrior, where did you get the idea that the company is giving people abilities, i thought they were just tracking them
when the heroes blamed the compnay for their abilities i thought it was just an assumption they had made, that it weren't actually true, but from what your saying they are the reason for giving them powers
mightyskawarrior
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 12 2007, 04:25 PM) *
mightyskawarrior, where did you get the idea that the company is giving people abilities, i thought they were just tracking them
when the heroes blamed the compnay for their abilities i thought it was just an assumption they had made, that it weren't actually true, but from what your saying they are the reason for giving them powers

I was thinking of parkmans account of his brush with the company when he said he woke up to find the scars on his neck then soon after he was hearing peoples thoughts. Now that you've said it I realised they were tracking them. Its been a while since I watched the first season things are a little hazy.
Crossed wires innit!
Even so the point still stands why move to somewhere where there is a likelyhood you'll get recognises surely there is a town he has not been operational in.
jinggoy
Well, it's supposedly the last painting out of the series so I'm sure we'll be waiting pretty long before we see if this will come true. smile.gif
Jayranger
Matt Parkman has powers before he gets injected.....
Machy07
maybe isaac painted it as a joke to scare everyone tongue.gif haha! if only
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