Heroes

Out of Time

WHILE SEVERAL HEROES FACE OFF AGAINST THE "NIGHTMARE MAN,” PETER LEARNS JUST HOW DEADLY THE VIRUS CAN BE -- When one of his forgotten abilities suddenly manifests, Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Caitlin (Katie Carr) get thrown into a crisis situation, and learn first-hand just how deadly the mysterious virus striking people with abilities can be. Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy), Matt (Greg Grunberg), Nathan (Adrian Pasdar), Niki (Ali Larter) and Bob (guest star Stephen Tobolowsky) band together to fend off the "nightmare man’s" attack. Despite Claire’s (Hayden Panettiere) best efforts to keep them apart, West (Nick D’Agosto) learns that the man who kidnapped him as a child is her father (Jack Coleman). Meanwhile, in feudal Japan, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Kensei’s (David Anders) legendary journey takes a dramatic, final turn. Kristen Bell, Noah Gray-Cabey, Dana Davis, James Kyson Lee, Zachary Quinto and Dania Ramirez also star. Alan Blumenfeld, Jimmy Jean-Louis, Shalim Ortiz, Eriko Tamura and Adair Tishler guest star.


This sounds brilliant. CAN NOT WAIT!

Alan Blumenfeld or David Anders(Kane) obviously plays the Nightmare Man since Bob obviously isn't it anymore!

If it comes into a fight I guess Nikki and Bob will come handy since both are very powerful.
I can't wait what powers Bob has more since it was mentioned that he has more powers than turning thigns to gold only. ^^

Probably Alan Blumenfeld, nightmare man was rumoured to be Matt's father.

Hmmm I wonder if this means that Niki does become Mohinders partner?

Wonder what power of Peter's they could mean?

And Hiro must come back after this episode, but no more David Anders? Can't be possible.

Oh he will be there... just in the present as a 400+ yr old man. I doubt he has aged much.

Well thats kinda what I was thinking/hoping

i bet the power of peters they are on about is the radiation

So the person playing kensei won't be the same person in the present?

Could the 'virus' have spread from the radiation and toxic levels that are spread by Peter and Nathan after the explosion at the end of Season 1?

This post is full of spoilers, so if you don't want to get spoiled, don't read further:

No, I know what power of peter's kicks in.

It's his time traveling power. He and caitlin get thrown in the not so far future, where they see that every where people are dying because of the virus. So they are tryin to stop it, by traveling back through time and making a quarantaene zone out of odessa texas, 'cause that's where the virus started to spread.



And isn't it obvious who's playing kensai in the present time? (And who the killer is?)

It's the same actor of course. He's like a "highlander" he can't be killed and he doesn't age. So he's just the same young blond man, as in feudal japan. Only now he is 400 years old. And the time, when he fought alongside Hiro is long gone. These days he is known as Adam Monroe, and after he was taken prisoneer by those twelve founders of the organisation, he now wants revenge.

After you've watched the 11th episode you'll know i was right :-). Have a good day.

I'm still not completely sold on the idea. Watch Kaito's reaction to the person who killed him. Don't you think that Kaito would have guessed it was Adam Monroe who they had had prisoner or would have been more shocked that Monroe had escaped? True, we all know about Kaito's stoicism... but one would expect a much different reaction.

i thought Adam monroe is another person playing kensei in the present
as to kensei's name being changed to Kane

nope same guy.

so if kensei is known as adam monroe in the present
then where does kane come out in all of this?

Sorry, can't help you with a guy named kane.

All i know about kensei is, that (attention! huge spoiler warning!) he's an immortal, that means he can't be killed and that he doesn't age. In the present time (year 2007) he's known as Adam Monroe and he is the killer of Mr. Nakamura. After Hiro got betrayed be Kensei/Adam in feudal Japan, Hiro meets Kensei/Adam again in the year 2007. This time his samurai clothing is gone and is replaced by fancy suites. Hiro learned about what happened with his father and who did it. Around episode 10/11 it comes to the showdown and Hiro meets Kensei/Adam, but since Peter wants to help Kensei/Adam for he has helped Nathan before (that's another story) Hiro has a struggle with Peter. Somehow and maybe with some help Hiro manages to close Kensei/Adam into a solid casquet and burry him alive, so that Kensei/Adam won't be able to kill anybody else. Why did Kensei kill Mr. Nakamura? Because he held him prisoner for 30 years (don't know what they did to him in those years though).

So, that's pretty much all I know about Kensei.

@photographer
You mean Insider was right ?

yes, I guess he was :-).

I think peter's power that comes back is flying. Up to now he hasn't flighted yet.

And how does flying prove to be dangerous and how is it related to the virus? My bet's on time travel. One thing I would find interesting is if he goes to the future sees the deadliness of the virus, then later he tries to get out of that time zone, time travels again and ends up four months before our current 2007 timeline. Maybe that is why Four Months Before follows Out of Time... Besides, didn't Hiro also always end up in that kind of situation, travelling to and fro time by accident.

Like someone is pulling the strings and wants him to be there like it was ment to be

Why didn't Hiro leave kensei drunk since the first episode?
We solved the problem.

im confused with the whole adam,kensei,kane thoery aswell. are they all one guy? is adam his real name, kensei=alias for feudal japan and kane=alias for modern day???

yeah i also thought kane and adam are different guys and now i am even more confused. who can help? who is kane?

Did he knew he was evil by that time? No...
He thought he was a hero...
But it turns out hes evil. Have you thought about that ?

I'm just hearing "Kane", here and there. :-)

What's about this name? When did someone mention "Kane" in any episode? Was it Mr. Nakamura or Angela Petrelli or someone else? I guess I missed it.

Adam = Kensei. that's it ;-).

omg i soo want to watch this episode!!!!!

it hasn't been mentioned in any episode i don't think but i keep hearing the name kane around the forum in other threads and a few people have said its kensei, i don't know lol

i reckon the name has been mentioned in sum spoilers, saying that Kane can control insects
furthermore we find out the kane= kensei who has the power of immortality and thus finding out more that Adam monroe (modern name)=Kensei (feudal Japan name)= Kane (AKA name)

the name Kane hasn't been mentioned in any episode yet just in spoilers

I'm not completely 'sold' by the idea of Kensei either..

A lot of paradox involved if it were true.. I'll try to explain

Present time:
Hiro goes back in time and woos Princess Yaeko
Kensei gets angry and waits bloody forever and kills Kaito and co

Present time if Hiro DIDN'T do back in time:
Kensei wouldn't have done all that stuff to save Japan
Kaito wouldn't be dead

Present time if Hiro didn't kiss Yaeko:
Kensei wouldn't have been pissed and wouldn't go on a killing spree

Oh... and why would Hiro's father be telling Hiro all these stories about how awesome Kensei is when he was a kid, if they have the guy locked up in the basement somewhere...

after haveing kensei locked up for 30 years, kaito would know all about hiros travel back to the past, and would prepare hiro acordingly to preserve the space/time continium....
has'nt anyone realised that hiro thinks he has changed the future, but it is just as he left it....this means that whatever happens in past japan, has already happened, and was meant to happen.

That's a predestination paradox. In theory, anything Hiro does, anything, changes the future immeasurably. If there are an infinite number of universes and Hiro can navigate them all, then he could return to the proper one. However, since this is TV, he'll get back to the right one and none of this will be addressed.

On the whole Kensei thing, where are you getting this information? I read through the spoilers and such and all the sudden there is a huge consensus that Monroe=Kensei, but no one ever states where they heard it from.

im sure all the spoilers say that it is from an insider on the NBC forum, he knows sum spoilers and is sharing them

all this paradoc, universes confuses me but i understand it in the end

if there's anything i hate worse than spoilers, it's knowing incorrect spoilers...cause those ruin a show even worse.

if its incorrect it means it isn't true, so how does this ruin the show?

well, i've received incorrect spoilers before, which people proposed as real. then, i watched the show, completely in that mindset. because i assumed certain facts were true, it affected my interpretation and thus perception of the show. so when they were disproved, the only way to backtrack and rethink everything the way it was meant was to go back and rewatch the episodes a number of times.

misreads are hell.

I agree with above, Peter's ability will be time travel. I mean, he has NEVER even used it, so it's not a matter of "fogotten" more than he never knew he had it...

Adam being Kensei is a great idea, but just as Hiro changing the past, it brings up all sorts of paradoxes...

True it brings alot of paradoxes with timetravel.
But Adam Monroe being Takezo Kensei is very likely to be true.
The hints in the past episode was just too coincidental.
The flags of whitebeard and in montreal and at the mirror in the building where the flags of Whitebeard are is a note from Adam Monroe...
If you cant connect it then I dont know what to say..