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msmarvel
Matt's pappa is the nightmare man....with Matt's ability, his interaction with Molly and his connection to the recently deceased in the photograph has given me some ideas about his ability and his involvement...as well as a look into Matt's powers as they could potentially develop.

Telepathy is a pretty broad power that seems to be spread amongst Cadice, Molly, Nick, Micah, Pete and others. (Correct me if I'm wrong) One comic book precedent of a telepath is Professor X from the X-Men (I know people hate the comparison, but it has a lot of super powers) and his abilities included mind reading, mind control, he could manipulate illusions, astral project, he could sense "mutants"(clairvoyance?) and a psychic blast.

One obvious power he has is that sort of clairvoyance....he can connect with Molly in this plane she's in when she searches for heroes (it's obviously through their minds). It also seems he is aware when Matt is around, or a mind reader at least because he can communicate. It also seems he can manipulate illusion or the subconcious and cause Molly nightmares. He also seems to know what going on with Molly and what in her head.

The potential of mind control makes me think he did kill Kaito...but not directly. It's possible he made contact with another hero who is indestructable, can phase, fly or something that could escape the peril of falling over the building and survive, and controlled their mind. He could have made Angela Petrelli attack herself...or manipulated her mind a freaked her out. NM could have also used mind manipulation to make Ando not see the attacker fall...the attacker could be dead we just don't know about it. Just like Candice...Pap Parkman could have covered up the murder. So the attacker could be some random guy who got covered up like Simone.

If NM has the ability to read minds it is presumed Matt could be a telepath too. Heck, even if his dad doesn't have the ability to read minds, it is presumed Matt's powers could expand. Matt could become really powerful and he may develop his abilities to fight the Nightmare Man.

These are some of my theories...I have to admit the NM got a lot more exciting this past episode. If you disagree with my theories I would love for you to refute them...I want to hear what others think of this mysterious character who has the potential to open up new possiblities for telepathic abilities.
FallenAngel
Nice point about Telepathy being a very broad term, I think the Nightmare Man's power is Mind Control, like, to a really powerful level.
perfectly-messy
QUOTE(FallenAngel @ Oct 23 2007, 06:18 AM) *
Nice point about Telepathy being a very broad term, I think the Nightmare Man's power is Mind Control, like, to a really powerful level.



yes that's so very interesting analysising there...I always thought that Matt is capable of doing much more with his power, he can read mind...then i just assure he can also go into people's mind to manipulate or something
yihdego
Matt I felt was made weak to make the other heroes appear strong. There hasn't been another character to develop there powers outside of Peter and Sylar so chances of him getting an upgrade are slim but it would make the show more interesting.
najibhardy
omg thats scary cool =x
johndoe20
like candice?
exangeline
QUOTE(yihdego @ Oct 23 2007, 03:28 PM) *
Matt I felt was made weak to make the other heroes appear strong. There hasn't been another character to develop there powers outside of Peter and Sylar so chances of him getting an upgrade are slim but it would make the show more interesting.


I agree with your point about Matt’s character and the way he is denoted to bring out other characters. And also, I think if he really got a hold on his telepathy, or upgraded, he could become really powerful.

However... In terms of canon, I like what they’re doing to him in this new season and where its going. Although the Nightmare Man as Matt’s Father is quite spur-of-the-moment and random, it would be nice to see what the show does with it and how it fits in.

I really do have the feeling, however, that he is not the one killing off the Heroes. Then again, I could be wrong. Heroes is always full of suprises, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Thanks for letting me rant! Hope my response isn't too off-charts.
aliubc
I agree telepathy is so broad it could encompass alot of things and with that being said matt's power could develop much more and could make him more interesting
Asterisk
Hmm, thats a great theory. Who knows that Matt can even talk to people using his telepathy.
orj78
this boogeyman character really intrigues me. is he as evil as we would like to think he is?
amplification.
QUOTE(yihdego @ Oct 23 2007, 01:28 PM) *
Matt I felt was made weak to make the other heroes appear strong. There hasn't been another character to develop there powers outside of Peter and Sylar so chances of him getting an upgrade are slim but it would make the show more interesting.

I think Matt's power is so broad, it could go anywhere. Even into Astral Projection.
GeneZ
yea i wish mat could talk to people using his power.
shanniee
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Oct 23 2007, 10:25 AM) *
yea i wish mat could talk to people using his power.

But he already did that laugh.gif

Matt's father seems to be somewhat similar to Matt in the early stages of mind-reading. But he evolved further than Matt has. Matt could go the same way as his father but he could also go all the other way around and develop a new telepathical ability.
We should see how this ends, the storylines are very good.
maynardK
i think papa parkmans power is that he can project the victim/persons worst nightmare...
im guessing matt's worst nightmare is to be locked up and cant help any one and Nathans being new york city being destroyed by the bomb. this would explain why he is called the nightmare man

what do you think?
Spriter
QUOTE(maynardK @ Oct 23 2007, 01:05 PM) *
i think papa parkmans power is that he can project the victim/persons worst nightmare...
im guessing matt's worst nightmare is to be locked up and cant help any one and Nathans being new york city being destroyed by the bomb. this would explain why he is called the nightmare man

what do you think?


I think that's a very good theory, however, how does he know that Molly is searching for him at all? His power must also allow him the ability of knowing when people are looking for him, perhaps? O:
tomie
Matt's dad seemed scary...almost like a figure from horror movie..

i wonder what he did that scared the freak out of Molly..

I can't imagine.

anyway, I didn't watch the Boogeyman movie. I have no idea what does a boogeyman do or why is he frightening?

I really can't wait to watch ep5 to know what happen to the unconscious Molly.
shanniee
QUOTE(Spriter @ Oct 23 2007, 12:30 PM) *
I think that's a very good theory, however, how does he know that Molly is searching for him at all? His power must also allow him the ability of knowing when people are looking for him, perhaps? O:

When Molly looks for someone she is somewhat astral projectin herself, but rather in a plane of existence where Matt's father can sense her with his mind. Its like when Molly tries to search for someone he feels like someone is reading his mind. He goes defensive and puts up a nightmare to her.
bignas1234
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 23 2007, 09:08 AM) *
When Molly looks for someone she is somewhat astral projectin herself, but rather in a plane of existence where Matt's father can sense her with his mind. Its like when Molly tries to search for someone he feels like someone is reading his mind. He goes defensive and puts up a nightmare to her.


Yeah he puts these nightmares up to protect himself, because he got a ripped picture of himself like angela and kaito
but he had other pictures aswell like bob's, which proves that he could be the killer
he could have put a nightmare in kaito's and angela's head, so making kaito fall off the building and angela attack herself
like making nathan and matt see something that's not actually there and in reality they were fighting each other
Archis
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he could have put a nightmare in kaito's and angela's head, so making kaito fall off the building and angela attack herself


Yes, Yes. ive been thinkin the same thing abt ma petrelli and it defiantely makes me wonder...what is their worst fear?
SandmanX
QUOTE(FallenAngel @ Oct 23 2007, 01:18 AM) *
Nice point about Telepathy being a very broad term, I think the Nightmare Man's power is Mind Control, like, to a really powerful level.



QUOTE(Archis @ Oct 24 2007, 02:09 AM) *
Yes, Yes. ive been thinkin the same thing abt ma petrelli and it defiantely makes me wonder...what is their worst fear?


Truly, I personally believe in the fact that Maury Parkman has the powers of mind control which in essence is a bit like Sanjog Iyer's power of dream manipulation. Perhaps he twisted the mind of Nathan and Claude to murder Kaito and attack Angela respectively? Or maybe he himself manipulated the victims into virtually walking into their own graves?

Maury Parkman is a character that warrants absolute attention in terms of development and future tie-ins with other characters.
AndresVia
QUOTE(exangeline @ Oct 23 2007, 01:10 AM) *
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I really do have the feeling, however, that he is not the one killing off the Heroes. Then again, I could be wrong. Heroes is always full of suprises, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Thanks for letting me rant! Hope my response isn't too off-charts.


But a picture of Bob, with the Helix mark on it was found on his appartment, how do you explain this, if he is not the Killer of Heroes.

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I think the power of the Boogeyman is expose people the their worst nightmares, not creating illussions, that was Candice power, but to directly affect people minds.
xxxtremeHERO
QUOTE(AndresVia @ Oct 23 2007, 04:15 PM) *
But a picture of Bob, with the Helix mark on it was found on his appartment, how do you explain this, if he is not the Killer of Heroes.

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I think the power of the Boogeyman is expose people the their worst nightmares, not creating illussions, that was Candice power, but to directly affect people minds.



Indeed, parkman's dad is very powerful.. and i think Matts power has been upgraded already, he can now use telepathy both ways, he can read and speak with other people thru his mind... guess he'll be a lot stronger later...

I think matts dad is the killer, maybe he just use his picture and put a helix himself so that matt and nathan will not suspect him as the killer.. that explains why he has bobs picture with a helix.. But i think he is not the one who directly kill Kaito since the latter was able to identify the killer.

its getting all mixed up and im very excited as to whats going to happen next..
perfectly-messy
yes it all starting to make sense...With Maury being the nightmare man, and his power is telepathy. This shows Matt is also capable of doing more and potentially be the only person who can stop his dad (And who knows, maybe Maury has a way to get past the Haitian too)

And if he can do mind control, then yes, the chances are yes. He sent someone to kill Kaito and the photo is just a trick to get Matt and Nathan off his back.

And if mind control is part of his power, perhaps he can also control other organisms....i.e. the cockroaches perhaps?

Mmm....Maury is like an evil Professor Xavier lol
Heroes Fan Forever
God knows, but he's obviously up to something. I mean you don't repeatedly put a young girl in her worst nightmares, along with your son for no apperant reason. His power is slightly freaky-deaky imagine being put in your worst nightmares *shudders* - not exactly a fun idea.

Basically i'm saying - He's creepy and i don't like him.

As far as being the one behind it all, i doubt it some how - he doesn't exactly look incredibly imposing, aside from the creepy ability. I suspect there's someone else who's worse. But hey its Heroes anything is possible.
Kim
Bob's an asshole! I hope the writers salvage his evil by giving us a good reason for him doing all that, and quick! All the new questions are driving me crazy.
prrehshh
I'm posting this comment for my bf (he's usually isnt near a comp. because of work-travels)


He thinks Parkman's dad is also Sylar's father... he was saying when Matt first found Molly they were looking for a 'killer' named Sylar who at the time they thought was the boobie man
Stevie Night
That is an interesting thought, I agree with it, certainly makes sense!
Jayranger
What is astral projection by the way?
bignas1234
i believe that he is being hunted by someone that killed Kaito and attacked Angela

he got sent the photo with the sign on it, thus putting him on the defensive
so he keeps a shotgun with him to kill anybody coming after him, or people like molly who is trying to find him he puts the defense wall up so he stays safe(putting her in a nightmare)
he's really in hiding which he has been doing for years

he could have found bob's picture somewhere or as sumone sed nathan planted it ther unsure.gif
FallenAngel
I've been thinking, If Papa Parkman's could induce powerful illusions and mind control...It raises the possibility that no-one threw Kaito off that roof (Did Ando actually see anyone? I can't remember) because Papa Parkman could basically make Kaito think someone was running towards him and think someone threw him off the roof (Did Ando/The Police see anyone on the floor with Kaito?) Because if not, its either That Kane guy everyone goes on about (Who is he? is he Kensei?), Claire (Seriously doubt it biggrin.gif ) or Peter (Its Possible, he did have Amnesia). Or there was no killer. Or theres a possibility Papa Parkman mind controlled some random guy and made him kamikaze Kaito off the roof tongue.gif

Then Again he might not be the killer because of the picture in his apartment.
amplification.
QUOTE(Jayranger @ Oct 26 2007, 11:17 PM) *
What is astral projection by the way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
Check that out.
perfectly-messy
QUOTE(amplification. @ Oct 28 2007, 05:01 PM) *


Oh...that's after watching the promos....I reckon its a dumb way to get rid of the Boogeyman
botlog
QUOTE(AndresVia @ Oct 24 2007, 08:15 AM) *
But a picture of Bob, with the Helix mark on it was found on his appartment, how do you explain this, if he is not the Killer of Heroes.

----

I think the power of the Boogeyman is expose people the their worst nightmares, not creating illussions, that was Candice power, but to directly affect people minds.



me too, i also think matt's dad can only generate their worst nightmare. and the 12 is being haunted by kensei. the one they used as experiment...
liam
we dont know they used him as a experiment yet or even if kensi has any relation to the 12
sylar9999
QUOTE(prrehshh @ Oct 26 2007, 09:22 AM) *
I'm posting this comment for my bf (he's usually isnt near a comp. because of work-travels)
He thinks Parkman's dad is also Sylar's father... he was saying when Matt first found Molly they were looking for a 'killer' named Sylar who at the time they thought was the boobie man


may b i doubt it but its a cool theory

QUOTE(FallenAngel @ Oct 27 2007, 09:08 PM) *
I've been thinking, If Papa Parkman's could induce powerful illusions and mind control...It raises the possibility that no-one threw Kaito off that roof (Did Ando actually see anyone? I can't remember) because Papa Parkman could basically make Kaito think someone was running towards him and think someone threw him off the roof (Did Ando/The Police see anyone on the floor with Kaito?) Because if not, its either That Kane guy everyone goes on about (Who is he? is he Kensei?), Claire (Seriously doubt it biggrin.gif ) or Peter (Its Possible, he did have Amnesia). Or there was no killer. Or theres a possibility Papa Parkman mind controlled some random guy and made him kamikaze Kaito off the roof tongue.gif

Then Again he might not be the killer because of the picture in his apartment.


I reckon that he did the picture of himself to lead them astray no mater what
jaradical
maury isnt the one killing the original 12.

This is mainly the insider theory based around Adam Monroe, but just with a bit more reasoning as to why the killer cant be maury

When you compare the 2 photographs (the marked and whole one) you will notice there is a person missing to bobs left.

This person is Adam Monroe, and based on the spoilers of insider, was held hostage by the company back when the oringinal 12 started it.

At this point in time maury was still with the company, having not fled, and was a decent guy. At this point in time maury played a part in keeping Adam/Kensei hostage for testing of immortality.

This is why maury has a marked photo too. because he is actually being hunted for mistreating Adam/Kensei way back in the day. Adam wants revenge!!!

The only reason i can think of maury having bobs marked picture, is that bob knows where maury is and has consulted him about being hunted by Adam.....


just a theory that i believe. i might be fair off the mark, coz heroes is that unpredictable, but ye. wink.gif
vicky_2007
QUOTE(amplification. @ Oct 27 2007, 08:01 PM) *

If that's become of Molly maybe she must be watching and maybe trying to talk to someone or...
I'm goint to enter into again laugh.gif
bignas1234
QUOTE(jaradical @ Nov 1 2007, 05:38 AM) *
maury isnt the one killing the original 12.

This is mainly the insider theory based around Adam Monroe, but just with a bit more reasoning as to why the killer cant be maury

When you compare the 2 photographs (the marked and whole one) you will notice there is a person missing to bobs left.

This person is Adam Monroe, and based on the spoilers of insider, was held hostage by the company back when the oringinal 12 started it.

At this point in time maury was still with the company, having not fled, and was a decent guy. At this point in time maury played a part in keeping Adam/Kensei hostage for testing of immortality.

This is why maury has a marked photo too. because he is actually being hunted for mistreating Adam/Kensei way back in the day. Adam wants revenge!!!

The only reason i can think of maury having bobs marked picture, is that bob knows where maury is and has consulted him about being hunted by Adam.....


just a theory that i believe. i might be fair off the mark, coz heroes is that unpredictable, but ye. wink.gif


thx for the new info
Auxii
Bit old now.
Die Maury, die!
travis
so is matt's dad (maury) done now? they made a big deal about the boogyman and now he's locked up in his own nightmare?
Andy p
Why is maury listed under 'the boogeyman'?
Rynozeros
Wasn't that what Molly called Sylar?
Universum
QUOTE(Rynozeros @ Nov 21 2007, 09:34 PM) *
Wasn't that what Molly called Sylar?

No.
Matt even says, after being put into one of his father's nightmares, "Nightmare man, huh?" Or something like.
Auxii
QUOTE
Wasn't that what Molly called Sylar?


Sylar or Maury?
Rynozeros
nah i meant boogeyman

i pretty sure molly said that the boogeyman sees into your soul and then he eats your brains

meaning boogeyman = sylar?

then she says the nightmare man is worse than the boogeyman, because he can see her when she finds him

two different people

i demand it be changed dry.gif laugh.gif angry.gif
Cylar
Yes, change it!
Nightmare Man = Maury
Boogeyman = Sylar
Universum
QUOTE(Cylar @ Nov 26 2007, 03:34 PM) *
Yes, change it!
Nightmare Man = Maury
Boogeyman = Sylar

Oh yeah. o.0
Funnily enough, the "Talk about the characters" section says Boogeyman, yet the topic is named Nightmare man.
PatientZER0.1
The Nightmare Man in comparison is more of Shadow King than evil Professor X
Auxii
QUOTE
The Nightmare Man in comparison is more of Shadow King than evil Professor X


Uhh. *cough* lol.
kurtsky
I hope he would be back in S3.
But I doubt he could get out of his own nightmare.
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