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Got Heroes > Heroes: Episode Discussion > Volume Two: Generations > Chapter 05 - "Fight or Flight"
shanniee
Okay we now know what Matt's dad can do.
He can read minds, but has extended his powers to a point where hes able to let the person he wants to experience nightmares.

Kaito died by a hooded killer.
As I said a few days ago that he most likely was killed by his own living nightmare.
But there are some questions to this theory though.

As Kaito died by falling from a rooftop, how was Ando supposed to see the exact same hooded killer ?
Yes, the exact same hooded killer.
The only explaination to this seems likely that a nightmare from another person can also be put in another person's mind. Hence Ando was able to see the hooded killer.
But that would only be true if he was able to put nightmares / illusions in someone elses mind.

But if he can't put those nightmares in another person's head, means that the hooded killer is real.
This is the more logical theory at the moment. Let me explain why.

We all saw the hooded killer, Kaito saw it... but also Ando.
What we don't know is what Kaito saw in his own eyes or rather mind.
The hooded killer was also for real, but was like Kaito also being manipulated and he/she was tricked into pushing Kaito from the rooftop without the person knowing this.

If this were true, then the hooded killer would be someone who would either :

A.) Survive a 30ft fall or
B.) fly away or
C.) teleport to another location.

If we go this path, this would suggest that its either Hiro or Nathan. Hiro is gone missing and we don't know where he is but its really unlikely that he was the hooded killer as he doesn't fit the physical description.
Nathan on the other hand fit's the physical description and he can fly.
So he got manipulated in his mind before without him knowing it as he was alot of times drunk in that period when he had the beard.
So he was easily able to be manipulated without knowing it.

So I ask you people for any thoughts about this smile.gif
Supergirl
Did Ando see anyone though? Ando could have been in the nightmare too. Easy explanation.
shanniee
QUOTE(Supergirl @ Oct 23 2007, 10:41 AM) *
Did Ando see anyone though? Ando could have been in the nightmare too. Easy explanation.


As I said tongue.gif
Then that would mean if he was in the nightmare, Matt sr is able to give nightmares from person A to person B.
Supergirl
We've seen he can do what he can do to two people at once.
Vikingisme
Remember that Kaito said that out of all 12 of the founders, he would never have thought it was him. If it was someone else, he wouldn't immediately associate them with Maury Parkman though. I bet that many of the other founders can make things seem as they are not too. (Gah, that was confusing.)

That doesn't mean the hooded guy was Maury though. It doubt its that simple. wink.gif
Obi-Wan Gibnobi
Well he did seem to know who Nathan was, "your the politician"
shanniee
QUOTE(Vikingisme @ Oct 23 2007, 11:57 AM) *
Remember that Kaito said that out of all 12 of the founders, he would never have thought it was him. If it was someone else, he wouldn't immediately associate them with Maury Parkman though. I bet that many of the other founders can make things seem as they are not too. (Gah, that was confusing.)

That doesn't mean the hooded guy was Maury though. It doubt its that simple. wink.gif


I didn't said that Matt's father was at the scene of the murder...
I said he could have either manipulated someone in order to kill Kaito which the killer doesnt know himself either that he killed Kaito.
And that it is possible for Matt's father to send nightmares from 1 person to another from a distance.
This is what im implying.
And the nightmare of Kaito could be someone dear to him killing him. So that wouldve explain him saying, I would never expected you to be here etc.
Vikingisme
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 23 2007, 02:02 AM) *
I didn't said that Matt's father was at the scene of the murder...
I said he could have either manipulated someone in order to kill Kaito which the killer doesnt know himself either that he killed Kaito.
And that it is possible for Matt's father to send nightmares from 1 person to another from a distance.
This is what im implying.


I didn't say that Parkman was at the scene of murder. I was just curious as to how he knew that Maury Parkman was the killer if the hooded guy was someone else. But I guess this:

QUOTE
And the nightmare of Kaito could be someone dear to him killing him. So that wouldve explain him saying, I would never expected you to be here etc.


explains it. My previous post was based on the assumption that Kaito knew it was Parkman who was going to kill him. Plus, I admit I didn't (couldn't) phrase my last post properly, thus the misunderstanding. tongue.gif
Raekon
I don't think that Maury is the killer. The writers just missleading us.
He is obviously one of the victims and he tries to stay alone so he won't be a easy target as also to be able to deal with the killer easier or at least try to.

Even if Maurys power looks as if it could be a extended form of Matts power, it isn't.
Vikingisme
QUOTE(Raekon @ Oct 23 2007, 03:23 AM) *
I don't think that Maury is the killer. The writers just missleading us.
He is obviously one of the victims and he tries to stay alone so he won't be a easy target as also to be able to deal with the killer easier or at least try to.

Even if Maurys power looks as if it could be a extended form of Matts power, it isn't.


Even if he did not kill Kaito, I cannot say that he is one of the good guys. That wouldn't explain what he did to Matt and Nathan.
shanniee
QUOTE(Vikingisme @ Oct 23 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Even if he did not kill Kaito, I cannot say that he is one of the good guys. That wouldn't explain what he did to Matt and Nathan.


exactly Viking, he doesnt have good motives. He only wants to survive ay any cost.
So he'll likely is going to get killed off by the real threat.
StraNGeLaD
Or it's another empath with the ability to fly and the whole Nathan thing is there to misdirect.
shanniee
QUOTE(StraNGeLaD @ Oct 24 2007, 03:51 PM) *
Or it's another empath with the ability to fly and the whole Nathan thing is there to misdirect.


That is also possible as Claude did say another one like them.
bignas1234
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 23 2007, 03:55 AM) *
exactly Viking, he doesnt have good motives. He only wants to survive ay any cost.
So he'll likely is going to get killed off by the real threat.


so far maury parkman, angela, bob, kaito have been sent the pictures with the godsend sign on,
kaito is dead because of this threat
the threat is after the other 3, failed attempt on angela
have any of the other elders been sent the photos yet???

WHO is this threat, im eager to kno, need more heroes episodes...
shanniee
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 24 2007, 05:34 PM) *
so far maury parkman, angela, bob, kaito have been sent the pictures with the godsend sign on,
kaito is dead because of this threat
the threat is after the other 3, failed attempt on angela
have any of the other elders been sent the photos yet???

WHO is this threat, im eager to kno, need more heroes episodes...


THe highest chance so far of the big threat = Kane/Kensei so far, but there arent any facts about this though. Only that Kensei will play in more episodes of this season and Hiro will only be in Japan for ~6-7 episodes.. David Anders is a regular so that must mean that he will live in the present which means hes 400 years old and means he has something to do with the current storylines.
bignas1234
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 24 2007, 07:44 AM) *
THe highest chance so far of the big threat = Kane/Kensei so far, but there arent any facts about this though. Only that Kensei will play in more episodes of this season and Hiro will only be in Japan for ~6-7 episodes.. David Anders is a regular so that must mean that he will live in the present which means hes 400 years old and means he has something to do with the current storylines.


as david anders is the past kensei
will they change him to a new person for the future kensei (older) or will they keep david
shanniee
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 24 2007, 05:47 PM) *
as david anders is the past kensei
will they change him to a new person for the future kensei (older) or will they keep david


I dont have any facts about that as of yet.
But David Anders living in the present is almost a fact.
Since NBC made David Anders a regular, it occurred to me that he has to play at least quite a lot of episodes in season 2. But the thing is, that Hiro will be in Feudal Japan for around 6 episodes and the 2nd season is waay to long for that.
bignas1234
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 24 2007, 07:54 AM) *
I dont have any facts about that as of yet.
But David Anders living in the present is almost a fact.
Since NBC made David Anders a regular, it occurred to me that he has to play at least quite a lot of episodes in season 2. But the thing is, that Hiro will be in Feudal Japan for around 6 episodes and the 2nd season is waay to long for that.


so who is this adam monroe guy people talk about, who is he?
is he or is he going to be a character on heroes??
Ryan777
I think this is more plausible, it's either West or Nathan, and one of them was under the effects of the Nightmare, Therefore, in their Nightmare Kaito was a threat so they killed him. Kind of like how Nathan and Matt fought each other while having a Nightmare.
Blooberkins
Can't it just be that Hero's dad SAW someone else, as what happened with Matt and Nathan, while Ando just saw the hooded figure which was a disguise for the nightmare? I dunno. Someone else is on his side, deff, which is the hooded figure. I doubt the creators would mislead us as far as this without giving any hints if Nathan was actually the hooded figure. So im ruling him out. Deff. if Nathan or West were in a nightmare too, then. They wouldn't be able to survive the nightmare bc they wouldn't be able to use their powers, just like Nathan didn't use his powers while fighting the "other him"

There really can't be anyone we know who we also know that has a power that can survive that fall/ suddenly disappear that would be on the bad guy's side.

And if the nightmare man isn't really bad, why did he have the picture of bob? Bob is the next victim, aren't I correct? So... how would u explain why he had the photo if he wasn't the bad guy but an actual victim? He took out "his photo" to trick Nathan and Matt to fall into his trap so they could kill each other off and he would be free to do his deed. Although, it seems i little to easy. One of them were bound to survive and wake up, right? So he wouldn't just leave his next victim out lying in the open....

i dunno. thats just my 2 cents.
studio1one
I still think the killer is Petrelli senior, who faked his own death and is in fact Kensai.
shanniee
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Oct 25 2007, 01:18 AM) *
so who is this adam monroe guy people talk about, who is he?
is he or is he going to be a character on heroes??

I have absolutely no idea about this Adam Monroe.

About my theory;
Since ive read about the theory that the hooded killer is Peter from the future being manipulated by Kane/Kensei. I would defitenely say that this theory may very well be true. It's interesting, exiting and twisting because Peter being a killer?
Let's find out what next episode will bring us biggrin.gif
Warren
QUOTE(shanniee @ Oct 25 2007, 02:37 AM) *
I have absolutely no idea about this Adam Monroe.

About my theory;
Since ive read about the theory that the hooded killer is Peter from the future being manipulated by Kane/Kensei. I would defitenely say that this theory may very well be true. It's interesting, exiting and twisting because Peter being a killer?
Let's find out what next episode will bring us biggrin.gif



Possible spoiler:

Supposedly Adam Monroe is... Kensei, he is still alive because he is immortal and he's a bad guy now.
shanniee
QUOTE(Warren @ Oct 25 2007, 09:38 PM) *
Possible spoiler:

Supposedly Adam Monroe is... Kensei, he is still alive because he is immortal and he's a bad guy now.


I know wink.gif

Adam Monroe = Takezo Kensei who is immortal and is killing the older generation with the help of Peter smile.gif

Supposedly ofcourse for the spoiler
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