Whew! finally caught up with the end of the posts...every new page I loaded had another 2 pages after it, since page 5! Maybe I didn't need to read every word of every post, but I'm like that.

I may be dating myself here, but I was around during the writers strike in '88...that was at the very beginning of the fall TV season btw, not a bit into it as this one is. I remember being very worried about something I'd been looking forward to all summer: Star Trek:The Next Generation, which started airing about 3 weeks after the strike started.

That strike lasted, as has been noted here, 22 weeks. That's pretty much an entire broadcast season. ST:TNG somehow managed to weather it, as I recall, and ran for another 6 seasons, but to be fair, most of those first season epi's were thinly veiled rewrites of TOS episodes. Things got a lot better after that.

I can only hope for the same here. I'm pleased that Heroes has a contingency to end the season with a revamped end-of-arc 11th episode. Much better than being left hanging with no resolution whatsoever. I am also hopeful that the strike will end sometime in the next month and things may progress normally, even if it means a Christmas break and resumption after the New Year. Isn't that pretty much what they did last year? I remember hating not having Heroes for most of December. Football usually gets the schedule all screwed up anyway, so I'd just as soon get that nonsense out of the way (Not a sports fan).

But I'm with the writers on this, no matter how long it takes to get their demands met. It's not like they're asking for the Moon here. For all they do, and for the percentage of the industry that is actually riding on their shoulders, they're way undercompensated and underappreciated, IMO. As much as I'd like to be able to, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do what they do, especially with deadlines and other demands. It requires creativity which I lack.

I'm sad with the rest of you about this turn of events, and am praying for a rapid resolution. I will probably smash my TV if there's nothing on it but political ads, reality shows and propaganda disguised as 'investigative reports'. I'll be needing a new one in February '09 anyway.

Don't nobody jump off a building or plug yer skull with a bullet...it ain't worth it, and you ain't Peter nor Claire!

hey quick question....maybe someone knows the answer.......

seeing as the new graphic novel hasnt been released yet (#58) does it have anything to do with the strike?

i hope not coz i love the supplementary material each week for a bit more depth.

nooooo...I'm so sad it's unfair

I really hope the writers get what they want. I'm not too sure about what's the present situation and all, not being American and having exams right now...

But it's high time people realise that writers are actually the most important people in the entertainment industry, and hopefully this strike accentuates that fact.

So hopefully the people in charge around Hollywood will just give in, and then the writers will come back... AND WE CAN HAVE HEROES!!!

So they do have the scripts for the episodes after ep11 but not the whole season is what you're saying?
They have like 5-6 more episodes but its better not to air them because if they air them. What would they do after?
I see your point I think

This whole mess does suck, and the writers deserve alot more that what they're getting now. I think that it's really hard on the folks at Heroes, because some writers have more than one duty on the show. Yes, I'm talking about the fact that some of them are producers. They're stuck on both sides of the fence here. It hurts to see Heroes end it's season so abruptly, but they have to do what they can do to save a show they ALL care about without undermining the WGA. Ending the season now (or in December as is the case) will insure that the show's higher standards are not compromised. Pay the writers... Save a show!

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thanks for that email update travis

seeing that i live in the UK, i haven't seen Season 2 yet , as i am currently re-watching Heroes Season 1 on BBC2. so i think that Season 2 will come to us in about a year time (Sci-Fi channel shows it in a crap quality and has infrequent breaks, whereas BBC2 has no breaks and the quality is very clear)

i support the views that the writers are fighting for and i seriously hope that they resolve this matter soon, because to be honest , most of the US shows/series are totally rocking on my TV lol

btw, does this mean Desperate Housewives are affected to?

^^I agree, thanks for making it an email notice.

I can see the writers' point of view here - people certainly can't seem to get on without them so they really should get some royalties. Shame it had to hit Heroes this way though... I don't want it to end again so soon...

So what exactly do they want?

Uhm. I think it's like this:
Writers get payed only once. While the actors get payed everytime a DVD sells or an episode is re-run.
I guess they want the same thing.
Whatever it is. IT SUCKS!

Wishful thinking indeed...


Incidentally, thanks for the E-mail notification.


I have to say, I'm gutted, last night I was mostly furious and I've been moping most of today, but there is still a glint of hope in the distance, maybe it'll be sorted out.

And I do hope that the Writers get the credit they deserve, I can understand that they have had enough, everybody that I know (and bearing in mind that I live in the West Midlands of the UK, possibly one of the most illiterate places I've ever lived) regards anything written as pointless, a waste of space and/or brain power, I know someone who has actually only read two books in their ENTIRE life, and he said that they were for a school project as well, and for the third, he just watched the movie!

What I'm trying to say is that writters do not get the respect/credit tht they deserve, without them everything would fall appart, and I think that if they don't get the propper treatment and respect then Hollywood deserves to be dead, as does the whole TV industry, I'd like to see what the cretins and bean counters' do when there is nothing at he movies or on tv to entertain their shallow minds.

I'm not even going to comment on those who actually like reality shows like I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here, Big Brother, Strictly Come Dancing or the rest of the crap.
I'm actually going to hope that something similar happens in the UK, becuase I would just love to see what happens, either the quality of shows may improve due to the prolonged torture of reality tv, or on the other hand: Britain would probably implode.

The scary think is that either would satisfy me...

I'm really going to miss Heroes though...

Warning: This post contained a rant, do not read if this bothers you

Aaahhh this sucks... stoopid writers...! I hope they settel this quickly... coz I want to see all of SEASON 2 not just half of it!

Guysssssss!!!

There`s gotta be somehting we can do about it ...

There´s gotta be a way to help the writers or force them all to work a solution out ...

I mean, can you guys imagine Heores coming up to an end so soon after watching "Out of Time"???

Heroes could only get better...

There has to be a way ...

Any ideas..???

they want to have their percentage of the sales of dvr's or something from 4 ct to 8 ct per dvd/dvr?
So basically they want a higher paycheck.

does any body know if heroes is "defnatly" going to end then and if there is a chance the strike will end before then

i will cry"literally " if heroes ends early its the best show ever!!!!!!!!

i live in the UK so i cant do anything to stop the strike but maybes u guys in america can form your own strike for Heroes to be still aired after december 3rd

So after episode 11, when does the next episode/season starts?

there wont be any more episodes after that

hopefully even if the strike is still on then if it ends after they will still keep writing the scripts

surerly they can find someone to write the episode like the fans or another writer plus the fans would know what they would like to see and if tim kring didnt like it he could ajust it there are ways around it if they try lol

that plan has many flaws

1. Tim Kring wouldnt edit it
2. The fans dont have loads of camera equipment e.t.c
3. How will they get the aactors/actresses to do it and how will they know how what to act

I thought there was gonna be a season 3? When does that starts? Or isnt it sure yet that it starts?

U HAVE MADE MY DAY


I HOPE THERE IS A SEASON 3

I WILL BE VERY DEPRESSED IF U ARE LYING

Yes, they probably have 15 episodes written but they were of the natural (pre-writers strike) arc which was planned to build up to the episode 23 finale. So they will save production and make episode 11 into a 'season' finale (infact they already have reshot that episode). Season 3 was originally going to have 3 parts (volumes) to it, now it just has one culminating in the new season finale - episode 11.

What will be interesting is to see the 'original' episode 11 and compare it to the new one which will now be airing..perhaps they'll include it in the DVD's extras for next year?


You can't make a show without any scripts..
The fans can't strike..they're not an organisation or a Guild. The common interest for Heroes fans is Heroes and so they're not going to strike against the show they love even 'if' they could (which they definetely can't)


Next fall (Sept. 2008)..that's 'if' the strike last longer than a couple of weeks.

Well then. This sucks.

They better whip out some 2 hour specials then, at least for the finale.

WGA... you suck.

Season 3 better happen... there are gonna be some angry people if there isn't.

Indeed it does


I'm sure NBC will look to cash in somehow


Do they? Anymore than the people who take all the money for what is effectively their original work/ideas?


It will, it's NBC's highest rated show..it will just take some time. LOST fans have to wait 9 months for season 4 (another 3 months to go), I guess the Heroes Community will have to do the same.

It will be interesting to see how thhis affects the show..I mean how will they keep the buzz going..no spoilers, no 'Origins', no video game, no aftershows. At least we have the graphic novels, huh

I've been reading a lot about this and listening to interviews. Ironically, what the writers are really upset about in addition to the dvd sales is the Internet streaming and downloading

So we're part of their complaints. Not so much that we're downloading and streaming the content, but that they aren't getting 1 red cent for any of it.

so how long do u think the strike will last


and if it finishes before the 11th ep is aired will they start making the rest of the series

About that premature ending, only one thing to say: s***!

Sry about the language, but i needed to say it!
Please, whoever you are, settle down all those burocracies! -__- Everyone of us wants to follow Heroes!

For everyones sake!

Heard this on the radio today on the way to work...One radio station talked about the strike saying we better get used to reruns and that the prime time has at least 16 episodes for each show....Another radio station said they actually came to a settlement today and now the studios have to say yes or No...Hmm which station should I believe I am going with the one who said there was a settlement at least it sounded positive.

There are 9 pages of answers to your question...

Tell me about it only, I found out now, on Wednesday morning! We have excellent tastes in avatars, eh?!?

my anger about this IS OVER 9000

I'd much rather wait until the get this all settled than have any "alternate" endings. That totally sucks. I would want to see how things were meant to be, not any alternates.

I disagree. They've already sold the script and don't have any futher rights to it. It's DRM all over again.

This whole thing is a massive shame, not just for Heroes, but for many other programs. I work in the music industry, and I used to think the big record labels shafted artists, but compared the the rates I've read about writers getting, they are positively generous.

I have to say that those of you out there that are knocking the WGA and writers should be utterly ashamed of yourself, and I have to ask those of you that do hold that opinion why you hold it, as I am intrigued. I challenge anyone to put up a decent argument for why the writers should just put up and shut up (note "dude, I just want to watch my favourite TV programs when they're supposed to be on" is not a decent argument, it smacks of a complete lack of understanding of.....well, everything to be honest!).

Is your attitude due to you being that immature that you still think you are the centre of the universe and how DARE anyone interrupt your viewing pleasure, or are you just a bit "challenged" if you know what I mean?

How can you think it's fair that while the TV networks and actors make their fortunes out programmes like Heroes, the people who actually write and create the story should be given next to nothing. Do you think they they should just continue to meekly accept this treatment?

Let's put this in perspective.....All the great TV you watch may well be a nice release after a hard day at work or school, but let's not forget that it is simply entertainment to you - the fabric of society will not crumble because heroes has to lose half a season. Neither will it have any genuine detrimental effects on you, or those close to you (save being a bit p1ssed off for a while). This is not the case for the writers - this is their livelihood we're talking about, and given the wonderful ideas they come up with, they deserve to be remunerated properly for it.

So in short, grow up, and get behind these people who have given you so much viewing joy over the years - they aren't asking for a great deal, and even when their demands are met, they will still not be receiving anything like what they deserve or should be entitled to. If you want to take action, get a petition going or write to NBC or any other network to register your displeasure. It probably won't make a difference, but it's a darn sight better than knocking the writers, who will no doubt have families to support and would much rather be working and picking up a proper wage rather than having to rely on the reduced income from a strike fund (if one even exists).

To put it in terms that those of you that are knocking the writers out of your own selfishness might be able to grasp, how would you feel if you developed a great product with loads of potential to make a lot of money - virtually the whole concept was your idea, and when it was launched and made millions of £££/$$$, you got nothing other than a negligable one off payment, while your bosses/the company you work for kept all the profits. Regrettably this happens all too often in most industries, as the creators and the innovators are always being exploited by businessmen/women, so anyone who tries to take a stand against this should be commended, not moaned about and dismissed as being "stoopid" (think the phrase has something to do with pots and kettles doesn't it?

Sorry to rant, and for the essay length post, especially when this is my first post on this great site (particularly for people like me who live outside the US, but want to keep up with season 2, as we're still on about ep17 of season 1 on TV here), but given how much everyone here loves heroes, you'd like to think that EVERYONE would get behind those responsible for the show they love so much, rather than just most of us.

I agree.
think about it they get none of the DVD sales profit or anything they are the ones that make the show and they getting payed 37,000 I wonder what the actors are getting paid. Yea the actors are good but they are nothing without writers.




STOP THE WRITERS................ SAVE THE WORLD!



I mean it does make sense
the actors dont make the dvds so why do they get paid for that too.
dont get me wrong actors are important but what are actors without a script?

if this is true has the strike ended

does this mean heroes is going to air the whole series

this person has got my hopes up to high it better have finished

The strike hasn't ended, if I may direct you here.

It's far from being done and we'll be lucky if it'll take less time than the last one that went on for five months.

Sure, the writers have a reason to strike, but do they for one second think about all the jobs they put into jeopardy here? With being as egoistical as they are, they put a halt to productions of all American TV shows and movies, which essentially means that thousands of people are without a job for however long the strike lasts and it's their fault. It's not just us viewers, because it affects us the least out of everyone, apart from the fact that we get less entertainment than we probably wish for. It's those people that don't get to work and the networks that lose billions of dollars because of this.

I can see what you're saying, but at the same time I feel that it's the big networks fault. They were talking about it for 3 months prior to . All those discussions didn't really do much because either side won't buge, so I would say that it's the Network Execs that have this all in their hands.

The Writers even took out the DVD thing altogether and only asked for Internet, and They still said no. I read an article about how the writers didn't want to strike, yet they knew they needed to, to show the Network Execs that they are not messing around.

Yeah, but without the writers, none of those people would have jobs anyway. Think about it: actors, directors, makeup artists, set designers, editors, stuntmen... none of them would have jobs in Hollywood if there weren't any writers churning out scripts. Every good movie or tv show starts with a good idea, and where do those ideas come from? The writers. No writers, no script, no show.

Also, you do realize that Tim Kring himself supports this strike, don't you? On one of the pages in this thread, someone posted a link to the WGA site with a list of writers who have vowed not to do any writing at all during the strike. Kring's name is on there.

Please, those of you who are just reacting blindly and blaming the writers, I ask you to do some reading on the subject. Check out the links that have been posted in this thread. Learn the facts behind the strike. This Livejournal community I found last night is a great place to find out what's really going on and how you can help: http://community.livejournal.com/wga_supporters/

yed i no but because of them the set designers and make up artist etc wont be getting any work anymore


im not against the strike and i understand that the writers want more money but cant they just settle thier differences

Are there any new developments with this yet?

So it's okay for the writers to make next to nothing, and never get any kind of increase in what they get (and in fact, with more and more people downloading instead of buying DVDs, actually making LESS money), because that way no one else loses out? They aren't being selfish and egotistical. What you're failing to consider is that the writers aren't getting paid either! Also the SAG (Screen Actors Guild) and the Teamsters are BEHIND the strike, and actors have been picketing too, and teamsters making a show of refusing to cross the picket lines. So in actuality, the people who aren't getting paid either WANT this strike too.

A strike is never selfish. Everyone involved loses money, and the people on strike lose most of all. Quite apart from anything else they get this kind of treatment, with people calling them greedy etc. If they are so greedy, why are they willing to lose their livelihood completely for a potentially massive period of time? If they were being selfish, they'd ignore the fact that the next generation of writers will desperately need the money from internet video, call off the strike, and keep making money, ignoring what it will mean for those who take over from them in years to come. I don't see how you can possibly think there's anything 'egotistical' about striking. Of COURSE they're thinking of other people!

And if you did any reading on the subject, you'd be aware that the Writer's Guild are generally considered to be the ones who make everyone else's life easier. The writers always set the pay precedents for all the other guilds, which is why they have so much support. Everyone else takes their queues from them, and if the writers cave, it means all the other guilds will have a much tougher time getting what they need. For example, the writers were the first people in the industry to get health care. Now it's a standard. The strike is about as far from selfish and egotistical as you can get, and at the end of the day, it's hardly the writers' faults it's had to come to this. They tried EVERYTHING to get a reasonable contract, even dropping the demand for DVD residuals to increase, which everyone has been led to believe was the sticking point, and they STILL can't get a deal. What exactly do you want them to do, settle for LESS than they get now?

Perhaps instead of everyone focusing on how difficult it is for them and how angry they are at the writers, they should take a minute to be angry at the people who are REALLY behind the strike- the ones who won't pay them anything close to a fair wage.

This can't be! NO! Is there any way we could do to stop this?! Gawd! This can't be! not this time when I am sooo into them!

I am not trying to get anyones hopes up...I just repeated what I heard on a particular radio station.If anything the radio station that said that had gotten my hopes up. I want this to end I do not want the S2 finale of "heroes" to end December 3rd than we have to wait until September 08 for S3....Trust me that was the last thing I had need to find out two days before my Birthday my birthday is today it was the last thing I needed to hear.

i read that the last strike lasted for 5 month, so if there was a strike then and they're having another one they obvoiusly didnt win the last one so what makes them think theyll win the strike this time.

On the other hand it is write that they are on strike coz they re payed next to nothing compared to the actors, i think that they have evry right to form a strike but cant they do it afer season 2 has ended and let it finish before season 3 starts

this is very sad......when you really enjoy a show, the next day BAM! it's over
like what happend with "Joey" alot of people liked it but they called it off....
so shame..

Attention everyone! I've got great news!

The writer strike is not going to affect Heroes! Read more here: Heroes saved!

I now officially quit on T.V. When season 2 does indeed end I will not be picking up that remote unless there is some kind of sporting event I would like to catch a part of or Heroes season 3 is starting up. No more of this reality t.v. b.s. that has killed the sitcom era of television. Here's to hope they figure out something by Dec. 3rd or my remote is going to get dusty quick.

Did you not read my post? Go to page 10. It's at the bottom. There's some good news in it!

alright! i hope that is true, and i hope we dont have to worry about this writers strike crap anymore. i mean seriously all they care about is their money. im sure they make PLENTY of money already, freakin get over it! i mean, what about us normal people? we can handle making around minimum wage and THEY cant handle the tons of money THEY get? seriously... greedy people.