Even if they brought a truck load of money to my front door- there is no way I'd cross a strike line hurting fellow writers. That's not fair. They are doing this because without them there would be no shows and they are not getting compensated fully for it. When you watch a streaming video feed from NBC the writers don't get a DIME from that- even though SPRINT (or whatever advertiser they have for that) is paying NBC a ton to do so.




You mean the outline? You want to steal someone else's work and have scab writers just so you can have your fix?
Do you really value so little of our hard working writer's talent?
I certainly don't.
Instead you should petition/write the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP), which represents the studios to give the WGA what they want.
The quicker they get the picture that writers count and should be heard- the quicker HEROES is back on the air.

I think it's quite ironic that the strike started on Guy Fawkes day. Remember, remember the fifth of November!

well, i don't think that this strike will last for a long time, since the production companies can't afford the loss caused by it, they will figure out something, and not to mention how harmful this strike can be for all the sides...

As much as I want to scream and yell because Heroes is almost over, I get where the writers are coming from. But we need to look at the positive things, at least we are not being left with this huge cliffhanger. When I say that I mean that at least it is a season finale and we will get some closure compared to them just stopping and were left with the wtf look on our face.

Ive been reading about the strike and this is some stuff that I found out.

Someone mentioned something about movies being affected, I read a article and all of the studios rushed about 300 movie scripts to get done before the strike happened. This means they have plenty of movies most likey to the end of 08. But here comes the bad news, apaprently most are to suck. I guess during the last strike (which lasted almost 5 months!!) they did the same thing and rushed a lot of movies into production and the finished product was not the greatest thing.

I read another article that said that if the strike continues past december and into jan and feb, expect a lot more reality shows. These shows dont use writers (well...some dont) and they will be the easist to make in a short time.

If I find anything Heroes related, I'll post it. By the way, thanks for the email update, very very helpful.

Thank for the email Travis, I heard about the strike, but I didn't think it would affect heroes (stupid me). This is insane, they better work this out; heroes needs to be continued. I agree with Rosario though, it's a good thing that it won't be dragged on forever.

NEXT FALL!?!?!?!?!

Okay, life is not worth living now. Only 4 more episodes left in this season!? (Good for Zachary Quinto cause he won't have to jump back and forth between Star Trek and Heroes, but OMG!!)

We should hold a candle vitual.

You mean a virtual candle vigil?

Maybe you should meet the Beeb (BBC)- they have a great show returning in January named Torchwood.

Hmmm...

According to the Associated Press:

d***... this is so bad.

It will immediately impact the late night shows such as Leno and Daily Show starting today.
The rest is true but the producers of Heroes want to end the season cleanly and not start the next chapter and only get in a few episodes before next fall. It's a creative choice.

The movie studios have a stockpile of completed movies where as TV does not.
One TV show has to generate 22-24 one hour movies every year- and then there are rewrites and the rest that go into that.

I am officially bummed right now

So we have episode 7,8,9,10,11 this year, and then season 3 fall next year?

Quite honestly, the Script is King.

I am actually quite surprised that the writers have not asked for far more all these years.
As you can see, nothing but nothing but nothing, will go forth without a script. Without a Blue Print.

How I see it?
They're asking for 4 cents on every DVD. That is chump change.

I would ask for far, far, far more. Monetary and credit-wise.

These wonderful characters you know? These actors? You know them because someone made that character for those guys. They made the puppet canary sing. Word for word, line for line, emotion by emotion, second by second. Its time you recognize the puppeteer not the puppet, not the building owners & operators.

Everyone knows "Christine" is not The Man. Stephen King (THE WRITER) is the man. That perception in hollywood is not yet shifted. The author needs get far more credit than he is currently or historically ha asked for.

Be glad. Be very glad someone like me is not at the helm of WGA.
The writers have been far too humble for far too long.

Take it from Francis Ford Coppola. EVERYTHING, but everything begins with the script.
Without a script you aint got nuttin. Nuttin, brother! nutttin!
No actors.
No producers.
No directors.
No film makers.
No show.
No nuttin.
Zip.

The 4 cents they're asking for on every DVD? I suggest you give it to them, then go back to your synagogue or church and light a candle that these guys still have not awakened to how tantamount important crucial they are to 'the industry'. Without them? THERE IS NOT INDUSTRY. Take that to the bank and cash it. Chaa ching!

completely agree!! that's what I was saying in another forum I'm in...the writers is what make the show good not the actors (although they do add their hint of "magic" per say) because the show has a good plot that's why people watch the show, download the episodes, and buy the DVD's

stupid production companies just give them the 2 cent increase they want...obviously I'm on the writers side of this and they deserve that increase

I heard last time the strike happened (20 yrs ago) it lasted I think 6 months and it cost networks millions of dollars so hopefully they will settle this before Dec. 3rd....they better...I don't want reality shows on about 15 hours a week....

Can we at least change the title of the thread? Every time I see it I kind of feel sick thinking that Heroes has been cancelled.

I agree, though I also believe that the entire process is a group effort. I support the writers; without their talents, Heroes wouldn't be nearly as good as it is. However, the director and actors have to be sufficiently talented to pull off the script as it was written.

I am deeply saddened that the situation got this far. However, I prefer to end the series early and have a long, long wait (more time to rewatch and debate the finer points!) than have unhappy writers turning out material that they just don't completely feel in their hearts.

Of course, that doesn't stop me from hoping that the industry wakes up and begins to pay attention to the writers' demands within a reasonably short amount of time. I'd rather not have a year of reality television, thankyouverymuch.

Ah thank god hehe, thanks for the info.

That sucks d***.

I am so bummed! I pray that this is over in time to finish out season two properly. I don't think that ending season two in December of 2007 and not continuing the series until fall 2008 is a viable option, I mean how many viewers are going to wait that out??? I mean I would, but still, that is not fair. Maybe the series can take a hiatus until mid-late January to finish out season two properly, if things are resolved of course. I agree with the writers, you have to do what you have to do, but it still sucks for helpless viewers. Maybe we could get a petition going to help show the outrage of the fans to make this process faster???? Anyone know how to start a petition or know of one thats already going???? Maybe if fans go on strike from watching any of the shows affected, dead ratings will help prove the case and it will be resolved in time.

d*** this sucks. I think Fake Steve has summed up the situation pretty well though:

(http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/11/this-writers-strike-cracks-me-up.html)

...... ohh for F@£§ sake... to many good shows get killed naturaly .but this is too much

I agree with everything HEROESXMEN said. Without the writers, the show we all love wouldn't exist. So you think the strike sucks, and want S2 to continue on as it was intended? So you say Heroes is the only thing that gets you through the week? Don't tell us, tell the people who have the power to end the strike and restore to us our favorite show-- tell the producers!!! Write a letter to them, an actual letter, not an email. Take the time and effort to sound mature and professional. Start those petitions. Encourage others not to give up on the show no matter how long the strike lasts. If you want to support Heroes, the best thing you can do is to support the writers and encourage the producers to give them what they have rightfully earned. The thing is, this strike will only last as long as the producers let it. The sooner they open their fists and pony up the money, the sooner we get our show back.

I love Heroes as much as anyone here, but we have to remember that it is what puts food on the writers' tables. This isn't just their hobby, as it is for us, it's their life. They pour their sweat and soul into the new episodes we see every Monday, and this is how we thank them? By joking about getting fans, of all people, to cross the picket line? Are you really so desperate for your weekly fix that you would consider betraying the writers, biting the hand that feeds you? I'm sad that S2 may end prematurely, but at the end of the day we must consider the big picture and show a little gratitude.

(Sorry if any of this comes across as offensive, this is just a touchy subject. My dad's a screenwriter, though he isn't registered with the Guild, so I can sympathize with the financial and emotional struggles they go through. In fact, the striking writers who are registered with the Guild most likely make far more than my dad, since you have to make a certain amount of money per year to join.)

Well are we allowed to say s*** here okay well I am anyway sorry s*** ...This stinks I do not want to loose Heroes,Grey's Anatomy, and Ugly Betty early...Can anyone let me know if "Dancing with the stars",Samantha Who",Private Practice,Pushing Daisies,Brothers and Sisters and Women's Murder Club get affected too...I tried to click the link but it was taken too long and the aol homepage only mentioned that David Lettermen,Jay Leno,Ellen,and Numb3ers not the rest of them.



I do think they will settle this before December 3rd because it is like Broadway and can affect tons of people.Screwing alot of stars out of their jobs for awhile.

Does Dancing with the stars have writers?

I'm curious, does this mean the writers won't continue to write in their free time? What I mean is, do they have to completely stop writing everything, whatsoever?

I'm trying to be optimistic in the hope that they will still write, but just not submit the material for use by the studios. That way, hopefully, when the strike ends there will be material that can be quickly put into production. Most creative types don't stop having ideas just because someone tells them to.

Even then it will still be delayed about a month which will mean a shorter second half of the season if they can come back.



As part of their vow to hold up the tennents of the strike they are not allowed to write for any projects that are guild protected.
Basically if they could get paid for it by a producer- then they are not allowed to do it.

Heroes was not cancelled it was just end the season early and come back in the fall with S3.




My question is will it get affected that is what I want to know same with the other shows I watch that I mentioned.I do not know if DWTS has writers sorry.




They would probably just end the season later if it is delayed for awhile they did it with shows last year ended them later than others because of long breaks.

Just when I find something that makes dragging my sorry a** into and out of work. They go and do this........."Why can't we all just get along".........

Honestly, I don't see this strike lasting very long. The industry is going to give in to the writers' demands. It's a non-issue.

Also see this link: http://www.wga.org/subpage_member.aspx?id=2529

More in response to your sig then your actual post. I don't know about Pennsylvania, but in California, which is where I live and where Hollywood is, $37,000/year is chump change. It works out to be around $20/hr. There's no fricken way you're buying a Ferrari with that kind of income...

I know not all of the writers live in California, but regardless, $37,000 isn't that much money for the job they do and its definitely not enough to afford a Ferrari...maybe a used mercedes though...

Wholy CRAP-----That is ALL the writers make????? How in the hell is that possible??? Oh I would be so mad if I were them! For what they do. There wouldn't be a heroes if it weren't for the talented writers. I don't care where the writers live, $37,000 is pathetic! Writing a show, especially such a high profile show must be incredibly stressfull, and ten to be paid so little on top of it all. How embarrasing for the networks!

And I have to miss tonight's episode. This has been the best day ever. I hate Mondays.

$37,000 isn't that much in comparison to actors. Some actors on lost get paid like $30k an episode.

What is not fair is how much the big companies get for the series and movies compared to the writers: let's say XX millions dollars coming from the sales and stuff and they pay the writers something so small they should be ashamed, but I guess shame is their last problem as long as money comes in.

I'm sad but understanding the writers ' point of view.

I'm fed up with the extra rich people becoming even more rich everyday!!!

Waiting for a sign...

That's not too bad considering what they do.

Can anyone find or compile a list of shows that are being affected by this strike.


Also those writers a really greedy. 37k is enough money to live off and they can leave in a decent house and put food on the table they shouldn't be crying for a pay raise.

Here's another article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...&feed=media

The industrial action - the first since a 22-week walkout in 1988 - is likely to mean that talk shows relying on teams of gag writers such as the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the Daily Show with Jon Stewart will be replaced by repeats.

If any strike were to drag out, scripted comedy and drama such as Heroes, Ugly Betty, CSI and Grey's Anatomy would also be affected, which could lead the US TV networks to fill the schedules with reality shows and reruns.

The amount the writers earn in a year is not the issue. It's residual income. The companies are racking in X amount of dollars from new outlets. ie: internet etc, and giving the workers squat.
If they (writers) let this go, what next? Sell one script or series for a one off payment and move on?

Sure it's a decent wage but I still think they deserve more considering how much effort they put into entertaining us. Out of a typical $20 dvd they make $0.03. Thats only 0.15% of the dvd sale.

This does kind of suck, but I have to say, I am on the writer's side as well with this. Obviously, without the writers there would be no show (which is the point they're proving) so they should get more money for writing.
And even if the TV screens completely blacken every night, maybe America will become less obese, and kids will start doing their homework! Not likely, and not likely the strike will last that long. I would like to see a list of all the TV shows being affected though...

well if you think about how many people do you think are working on the show.
Director
Actors
Score
CGI Animators
Sound Check
Stunts
Writers
Editors
Extras
Regulation
Advertising
ETC.

0.15% of so many people is a lot. Also its alot better then getting 100% of nothing.

I don't claim that amount to be accurate. I was just going off of what meow said.

As far as writers income goes, this is what I found out:

About 5% percent of writers earn enough from writing to make a living; of that 5%, about 5% of those earn enough to make a GOOD living. Residual income can amount to between 20 to 50 percent of a writer's income. Most writers sell their scripts for a lump sum and don't worry about the percentage from sales/residuals. But what I've learned is usually you decide on one or the other. Sell it for cheaper up-front and rake in the residuals or vice versa.

While I agree the writers should get some of that income from internet, dvd's etc, just doing research for a little while showed me that the writing business is tuff, just like anything else. You gotta make a name for yourself before you can get the big bucks...no difference here. Some writers are rich, others are struggling...its up to the person.


"Writing for a living -- more precisely, earning enough money as a writer to make a good living -- is quite rare."

I think ALL The writers on every program should go on strike to ensure a quick solution.
They should also have the power to stop any of their completed work being broadcasted in the mean time.

Um, not quoting your original post, actually, but your sig. $37,000 IS NOT a lot of money to make per year! I'm sure a lot of these, if not most, writers live in LA or NY, two places with the highest cost of living in the US. They are asking for equal share of DVD sales; producers make bank 24/7 while writers get shafted on extra sales of their work. It may suck that our favorite shows won't continue like we hoped for while, but the fact is that they will come back, and when they do, the people providing the great writing we know and love will be getting compensated the way they deserve to be.



$37,000 is not a lot to live off of in NY or LA, which is where most of these writers live.

I am extremely angry. Someone needs to cave on this issue.

I wonder if mass emails and protests from fans will cause the studios to give in and give the writers what they want......

Also what does this mean for the story line. If the shows end on the 3rd, I'm assuming that this season is scrap. Will they start season three as a modified season two you think? (thank god heroes isnt lost and he wanted to make stand alone seasons.)

Ugh Im depressed now. But honestly, I dont see this lasting too long. The networks know that if they dont give the writers what they want, they will not only lose money but ratings aswell. Less people will watch causing them to become uninterested because of all the re-runs. Thats just my 2 cents.

That is such a long wait!!

I respect everyones opinion, but I disagree with those who think that the writers are being selfish.

First of all $37,000 is not much in California, and while it may be enough to support a modest family, why should the men and women who write the nation's/world's tv shows work for so little???

Second, compare the writer's piddly income with that of the networks excuatives and the actors and it truly is unfair.

Yes, the show would not be the show without the input/work from everyone, from the techs to the make-up artists, but the truth is, those people wouldn't have jobs, if the writers didn't churn out a good show.

The writers don't just sit there eating from the buffet all day, they have to concot stories that revolve and complitment eachother. They have to worry about bugeting, and how certain storylines/plots/characters can work with the buget. They also have to maintain an up-beat, edgy image with shocking characters/abilities/stunt and an addicting story-line. They have to make viewers love/hate certain characters. They have to maintain a certain emotional balance, by being selective of which scenes follow which. The writers are the reason that there are DVD's and other fan merchandise. They are the reason that we are here debating this. They deserve more than $37,000 a year!

I am angry that we have to suffer by losing our show early this year, but that is not the fault of the writers, it is the greedy/ungrateful networks who refuse to compensate the true creators of the show! (By networks I mean whoever is responsible for this part of bugeting/income)

Agree or Disagree???? Whatever you think, please be respetful!

I know you were attempting to make a joke, but I wish people would stop insinuating that quality writers could be replaced with fanfic ideas. Do we really all want to see Parkman/Suresh/Molly family scenes while Parkman has his way with Suresh? Or Claire and Kristen Bell discovering their "powers" together? I sure don't, and that's about all fanfic would give to us.

umm...who wouldn't want to see this?! YES!

Seriously though, I don't see why the writers cannot just keep writing and not turning in the scripts. This way they wouldn't be punishing the fans. And they wouldn't lose all this time while striking...they'd still be getting work done and be able to make money when the strike was over.

I just hate the idea that we aren't going to see Heroes the way it was intended to be seen. It gives me a damn stomache ache. I don't care if I have to wait 3 months, I want to see it how it was meant to be seen!