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Psycho
So Its Confirmed!

Adam = Kensai

AND

Adam wants to kill everyone.


Amazing Epsiode!!!!♠
Ryan777
Dude I agree AWESOME EPISODE, a bit Fast paced but what ever. Pretty cool how he blocks Peter's Lightning and heals.

I'm guessing your Canadian?
Mpol
AHHH I'm so excited that this episode rocked. Here's hoping the next one will do the same. I can't wait to see what happened in the past!
Ascendancy
Yeah, so the suspicions were true and it is Kensei. I loved the episode, but I'm disappointed that they didn't include the Sylar story with this. I don't think I can handle two guys that want to kill everyone.
adventflux
That was by far the best episode of the season. My faith in this show has been entirely restored. I finally realized that that WAS lightning all along. So I guess this means there's going to be another new character on the show or the next few episodes will reveal that he had past encounters with Kristen Bell's character.
vikesh10
Sylar is a way cooler bad guy then Adam . I wish Sylar somehow manages to get his powers back and kills Adam . ( i know it's not gonna happen lol , i read spoilers dry.gif . )
The DOKTOR
Best episode yet. Everything seems to happen a bit fast but A-Maze-Ing!!

Also, West must die.
My opinion.
TheLindermanAct
I loved how it was revealed
I totally called that lol
who elese did?
cool_gal992
I used to be completely pro west and claire, but the whole waffle thing, and the horn rimmed glasses man thing... nuh uh. I think he is just using Claire to get to Noah, but putting on an act so Claire doesn't find out.

P.s. KENSEI = ADAM?!
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE.
Higgins
QUOTE(TheLindermanAct @ Nov 5 2007, 10:20 PM) *
I loved how it was revealed
I totally called that lol
who elese did?


Yea, I was pretty dead on. I suspected Kensei was Adam, Nikki would get injected and be incurable, spreading the virus, and Mohinder would be the one who shoots Noah in the face.

Great episode.

QUOTE(cool_gal992 @ Nov 5 2007, 10:41 PM) *
I used to be completely pro west and claire, but the whole waffle thing, and the horn rimmed glasses man thing... nuh uh. I think he is just using Claire to get to Noah, but putting on an act so Claire doesn't find out.

P.s. KENSEI = ADAM?!
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE.


I haven't been enjoying the whole Claire+West thing. It doesn't appear to tie into the story at all. But now that I think about it, it does. Because of West, the company now knows about Claire's ability and she won't move away. She going to be the company's lab rat in due time because of West.
cool_gal992
It sucks because I used to love the two together! I rewound the Hollywood 'I don't want to see you hurt' scene at least 5 times. And now I just see him as scum. Creepy, corny, cruel scum.
Lights out. hello bed time.
dragon
Would the Legend of Kensei be told to Hiro if Hiro didn't go back in time? Would Adam be who he is now trying to kill all that are close to Hiro if Hiro didn't go back in time? Seems like a time-paradox.
shadow06jm
wth??! so how could he Lived up to
the present if his powers was onLy
spontaneous generation?

so u mean cLaire wiLL be
the same as him...
so cLaire is gonna be a babe
for eternity..?

weLL if that so..
west got himseLf a
immortaL babe
Silentsoto
this is by far the best episode of heroes to date.

So what do you think will happen to peter's girl?
shadow06jm
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 5 2007, 09:22 PM) *
this is by far the best episode of heroes to date.

So what do you think will happen to peter's girl?



she got deported dude laugh.gif


LoLz
Irvie
Bwahah! I knew it~
lucian
This whole disaster is now officially Hiro's fault.
hiroburger
it seems like this whole thing is stemming from adam being pissed off at hiro getting his girl. so it makes sense that he went and killed off kaito. but as for the rest of the 12? adam's last words (or close to last) was that he will make hiro suffer.... so perhaps the rest of the 12 also have something to do with hiro that we don't yet know about...

or that adam just becomes so indulged in himself (kinda like sylar!) and wants world domination....

a showdown between sylar and adam would be fun to watch though - try as he might, sylar won't be able to kill adam!
Higgins
QUOTE(hiroburger @ Nov 6 2007, 12:15 AM) *
a showdown between sylar and adam would be fun to watch though - try as he might, sylar won't be able to kill adam!


There must be a way to kill him though. Sylar figured it out in the alt. future - he killed Claire.
EterniCode
QUOTE(cool_gal992 @ Nov 5 2007, 10:41 PM) *
P.s. KENSEI = ADAM?!
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE.


My theory: 400 years is a long time to hold a grudge.

QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 5 2007, 11:22 PM) *
this is by far the best episode of heroes to date.

So what do you think will happen to peter's girl?


Peter now has a (even more) pressing goal now: save the girlfriend, save his sanity.

Or maybe he'll leave her trapped in futureland, only to have her surroundings transform around her when he sets the timeline straight (Great Scott, Marty!!!)
Silentsoto
QUOTE(Higgins @ Nov 5 2007, 09:18 PM) *
There must be a way to kill him though. Sylar figured it out in the alt. future - he killed Claire.




Yeah i think it's clear now that claire and "adam monroe" have different ablities, claire can regenerate, whilst Kensei is immortal, similar, but not quite the same.
adobo24
Awesome episode.

I was pondering last week that maybe Kensei could be Adam and lookie what we have.....gah amazing.
FacJoe
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 5 2007, 09:28 PM) *
Yeah i think it's clear now that claire and "adam monroe" have different ablities, claire can regenerate, whilst Kensei is immortal, similar, but not quite the same.


What? I thought it was made clear that Claire and Kensei have the same abilities but Kensei's abilities are just x10000 of Claire's (or something like that), enough to make him last several centuries.

I'm all for a Kensei vs. Sylar. Sylar with a rock or anything blunt > Kensei, IMHO. Sylar's a lot more evil than Kensei. Even Hiro said that Kensei had a bit of humanity left in him.
-sparky-
QUOTE(shadow06jm @ Nov 6 2007, 04:09 AM) *
wth??! so how could he Lived up to
the present if his powers was onLy
spontaneous generation?

so u mean cLaire wiLL be
the same as him...
so cLaire is gonna be a babe
for eternity..?

weLL if that so..
west got himseLf a
immortaL babe


Psst... you seem to have a problem with your 'L' key...
cbaby
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 6 2007, 09:04 PM) *
Psst... you seem to have a problem with your 'L' key...


whahahaha..! i laughed like a ninny reading that..!!! laugh.gif
Andy p
QUOTE(Higgins @ Nov 6 2007, 05:18 AM) *
There must be a way to kill him though. Sylar figured it out in the alt. future - he killed Claire.

I personally always thought that was a plot hole since he tries to slice peter's head open remember? and then peter just healed it.

But just watched this episode this morning, over streaming, it was awsome biggrin.gif.
The DOKTOR
So now, Peter is also immortal heh?
Peter=SuperGod! wink.gif
Andy p
I hate to say it but i dont really like peter's character, maybe its the whole 'he's got super special awsome powers so therefore we need to make him emotionally vunerable and keep stopping him from being too powerful by writing in different things that prevent him from using his powers ie: being emotionally unstable or amnesia' stuff that pisses me off im not sure.

What i do know however is that if you make a character in this kind of show too powerful, in fact in anything concerning power, then you will have a harder and harder time explaining why he didnt just do this or that with his powers, look at sylar its the exact same thing they had to make him lose his powers temporarily to give themselves time to write.

At least sylar is, for want of a less cliche' word, badass, peter is just a sap.
Personally i still think sylar is the biggest baddie because of the kind of power he carries around and he is more mentally equipped to use them than peter, right now he's having to lie low to make way for other villains.
shanniee
QUOTE(Andy p @ Nov 6 2007, 12:28 PM) *
I hate to say it but i dont really like peter's character, maybe its the whole 'he's got super special awsome powers so therefore we need to make him emotionally vunerable and keep stopping him from being too powerful by writing in different things that prevent him from using his powers ie: being emotionally unstable or amnesia' stuff that pisses me off im not sure.

What i do know however is that if you make a character in this kind of show too powerful, in fact in anything concerning power, then you will have a harder and harder time explaining why he didnt just do this or that with his powers, look at sylar its the exact same thing they had to make him lose his powers temporarily to give themselves time to write.

At least sylar is, for want of a less cliche' word, badass, peter is just a sap.
Personally i still think sylar is the biggest baddie because of the kind of power he carries around and he is more mentally equipped to use them than peter, right now he's having to lie low to make way for other villains.

Totally !
Sylar is badas$ but hopefully Adam will become even more evil biggrin.gif
Peter will always have something to struggle with like he doesnt know how to use his powers first then trains and becomes godlike, but then gets amnesia...
you can expect these kind of things to Peter pretty often from now on or expect Peter to get killed of...
Psycho
QUOTE(Ryan777 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:15 PM) *
Dude I agree AWESOME EPISODE, a bit Fast paced but what ever. Pretty cool how he blocks Peter's Lightning and heals.

I'm guessing your Canadian?



Indeed
masi_magnificent
wow i just finished watching that ep-- wow. it was quite full on, but clever indeed. I can't wait to see what Adam does to peter-- bah.. i hope hiro's going to be ok! XD
Claire and west;; i think his reaction was a bit of an anticlimax.. where he just disappeared when she told him her dad was HRG. I can see where its going for the relationship, but i hope they get back together.. <3
AHH syLar!! when his powers' come back i hope he eats adam's brain so that he'll be immortal- wooH! tongue.gif
Cylar
Then we can have the ultimate should down between two immortals, Peter and Sylar. If I remember.. there was a line from Pirates of Caribbean between Jack Sparrow and Captain Barbossa, Barbossa was telling him about how they are going to end up dueling each other for eternity as immortals... can't remember the exact line though.

Ooops, went off topic. Oh yeah, I forgot my manners, I forgot their captain titles a few times.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Cylar @ Nov 6 2007, 06:03 AM) *
Then we can have the ultimate should down between two immortals, Peter and Sylar. If I remember.. there was a line from Pirates of Caribbean between Jack Sparrow and Captain Barbossa, Barbossa was telling him about how they are going to end up dueling each other for eternity as immortals... can't remember the exact line though.

Ooops, went off topic. Oh yeah, I forgot my manners, I forgot their captain titles a few times.



"What be we, Jack? Two Immortals fighting 'till judgement day, when trumpets sound?"
"Or you could surrender."
shanniee
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Nov 6 2007, 03:12 PM) *
"What be we, Jack? Two Immortals fighting 'till judgement day, when trumpets sound?"
"Or you could surrender."

The Insanity if you get locked up in a cage for eternity.... You cant die but you cant move... What can you do :x
batmancw
QUOTE(hiroburger @ Nov 5 2007, 09:15 PM) *
it seems like this whole thing is stemming from adam being pissed off at hiro getting his girl. so it makes sense that he went and killed off kaito. but as for the rest of the 12? adam's last words (or close to last) was that he will make hiro suffer.... so perhaps the rest of the 12 also have something to do with hiro that we don't yet know about...

or that adam just becomes so indulged in himself (kinda like sylar!) and wants world domination....

a showdown between sylar and adam would be fun to watch though - try as he might, sylar won't be able to kill adam!


Adam/Kensei is also pissed off at the other members of "the 12". Remember Bob's comment about how he'd "escaped" just before the killings began. The other Founders apparently worked together to capture & contain Kensei at some point.

QUOTE(Higgins @ Nov 5 2007, 09:18 PM) *
There must be a way to kill him though. Sylar figured it out in the alt. future - he killed Claire.


Cutting his head off should do the trick. I can't imagine how he'd heal from that.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(batmancw @ Nov 6 2007, 06:51 AM) *
Cutting his head off should do the trick. I can't imagine how he'd heal from that.



...Peter regenerated after BEING a nuclear bomb...not just being in the blast, but the blsast came from him. Pretty sure that beats decapitation...
Now, there is that part of the brain that if it gets stabbed, they won't regen. That might still work..if 400ish years hasn't made him completely immortal. If that's the case, then they'd have to actually imprison him forever. (Maybe Hiro could teleport him to Pluto or something smile.gif )
maxxann
QUOTE(masi_magnificent @ Nov 6 2007, 08:57 PM) *
wow i just finished watching that ep-- wow. it was quite full on, but clever indeed. I can't wait to see what Adam does to peter-- bah.. i hope hiro's going to be ok! XD
Claire and west;; i think his reaction was a bit of an anticlimax.. where he just disappeared when she told him her dad was HRG. I can see where its going for the relationship, but i hope they get back together.. <3
AHH syLar!! when his powers' come back i hope he eats adam's brain so that he'll be immortal- wooH! tongue.gif


I don't know why west was so obsessed with the fact that he was abducted and tagged. It didn't hurt anyway, so why all the fuss? It's not like he was raped or anything. But then, as an 8 year old, it might have been traumatic. But I don't like him still. Bring claire, west!!! she needs to go too.

if it isn't for the twist that claire can cure the virus, she'd be a nuisance hero.
Idontwannabeasuperhero
^^He doesn't remember, so technically he could have been raped. All the more reason to start doubting HRG...
Higgins
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 6 2007, 10:17 AM) *
if it isn't for the twist that claire can cure the virus, she'd be a nuisance hero.


Yea Claire bores the hell out of me. The only reason her char is useful is because her ability is useful to other people.

If Claire's and Adam's abilities are different, that's overkill for Peter, unless Sylar manages to get one of them.
Keltor
QUOTE
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 5 2007, 09:28 PM)
Yeah i think it's clear now that claire and "adam monroe" have different ablities, claire can regenerate, whilst Kensei is immortal, similar, but not quite the same.


I don't think there's any significant difference whatsoever...the ability to regenerate tissue amounts to immortality, effectively. There's no evidence that there's any difference in their powers. They both regenerate rapidly, Claire has even demonstrated regrowth of limbs, albeit a minor appendage.
Claire has died at least 2x that I'm sure of, not counting last week on the school steps. Once, when the quarterback tried to rape her and she woke up on the coroner's slab, opened wide to the navel, but when the stick was removed from her brain (the killing blow) she woke up, folded her chest closed and ran. That's pretty dead dude! I think short of decapitation there's really no stopping them, Claire, Takezo/Adam, Peter (doubly so, since he's absorbed the same power now from 2 sources).

Yes, Peter was at the center of a nuclear explosion, by all accounts...but check with any explosives expert and they'll tell you that the epicenter of an explosion is the safest place. As long as it didn't scatter his atoms, which it wouldn't have, since it originated with him and expanded outward from his epidermis, there's no reason he shouldn't have been able to regenerate.

QUOTE(FacJoe @ Nov 5 2007, 10:10 PM) *
What? I thought it was made clear that Claire and Kensei have the same abilities but Kensei's abilities are just x10000 of Claire's (or something like that), enough to make him last several centuries.

I'm all for a Kensei vs. Sylar. Sylar with a rock or anything blunt > Kensei, IMHO. Sylar's a lot more evil than Kensei. Even Hiro said that Kensei had a bit of humanity left in him.


I don't think there's anything more powerful about Takezo's power than Claire's, honestly...he's just been able to practice it longer is all. With careful behavior and minimal risk avoidance, there's no reason that anyone with this ability shouldn't live effectively forever.

Seriously, compare this with Highlander...some of those Immortals were thousands of years old. Never had a cold, never lost a tooth, or if they did, it grew back. Only one I can think of lost so much as a limb, the Fine Young Cannibal who lost his arm, what the heck was his name?... It's been too long. sad.gif
Idontwannabeasuperhero
Peter absorbed Ted's ability, part of which is to emanate radiation without getting burnt, as far as we could see from Ted. Maybe he didn't need to heal.
mr. peasant
QUOTE(Idontwannabeasuperhero @ Nov 6 2007, 08:55 AM) *
Peter absorbed Ted's ability, part of which is to emanate radiation without getting burnt, as far as we could see from Ted. Maybe he didn't need to heal.


One way or another, he'd still need to heal. I mean, even after he exploded he still had a ten thousand foot drop to recover from. And that takes more than a few aspirins to shake off.
shanniee
QUOTE(mr. peasant @ Nov 6 2007, 06:17 PM) *
One way or another, he'd still need to heal. I mean, even after he exploded he still had a ten thousand foot drop to recover from. And that takes more than a few aspirins to shake off.

Yea people forget that part sometimes tongue.gif
But Adam and Claire hasnt been explained yet what their powers Exactly are... Are they the same or are they Different?!?!?! We dont know, we just have to wait and see wink.gif
Jake Hawk
About Adam, I was wondering... From what Bob told Nathan, it seems that he was part of the founding members of the Company. Then why doesn't he appear on the photo ? There should be 13 of them, not 12...

Concerning Adam's and Claire's respective powers, I'm not quite sure... Adam's power must be quite strong, since he regenerated after having been basically burned down to ashes (as we see him when Hiro goes back to the camp after the explosion). But then again, Claire survived a prolonged exposition to radiation when Ted almost blew up her house... Seems to me that both can regenerate to the extent of being nearly immortal (except for that piece-of-wood-driven-into-the-brain thing).
But Adam/Kensei hasn't aged either, over the centuries. Does it mean that from the moment his power manifests itself, he'll just stop growing old ? Which would imply the same thing for Claire if they do have exactly the same power ?
shanniee
QUOTE(Jake Hawk @ Nov 6 2007, 07:22 PM) *
About Adam, I was wondering... From what Bob told Nathan, it seems that he was part of the founding members of the Company. Then why doesn't he appear on the photo ? There should be 13 of them, not 12...

Concerning Adam's and Claire's respective powers, I'm not quite sure... Adam's power must be quite strong, since he regenerated after having been basically burned down to ashes (as we see him when Hiro goes back to the camp after the explosion). But then again, Claire survived a prolonged exposition to radiation when Ted almost blew up her house... Seems to me that both can regenerate to the extent of being nearly immortal (except for that piece-of-wood-driven-into-the-brain thing).
But Adam/Kensei hasn't aged either, over the centuries. Does it mean that from the moment his power manifests itself, he'll just stop growing old ? Which would imply the same thing for Claire if they do have exactly the same power ?

If they do have the same power then yes, but its not confirmed wink.gif
Adam is not in the 12. He met the 12 and convinced them to work together but it fell down apart since some people had other visions and some had the same as Adam.
lorien79
Yeah that was pretty cool, well and in some way its Hiro's fault !
shanniee
QUOTE(lorien79 @ Nov 6 2007, 09:16 PM) *
Yeah that was pretty cool, well and in some way its Hiro's fault !

why is it Hiro's fault ? tongue.gif
batmancw
QUOTE(Idontwannabeasuperhero @ Nov 6 2007, 08:55 AM) *
Peter absorbed Ted's ability, part of which is to emanate radiation without getting burnt, as far as we could see from Ted. Maybe he didn't need to heal.


We'll find out for sure next week, but as of yet we don't know that Peter exploded. We DO know that he released the energy that had built up, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he blew up into tiny bits.

Also, I'd suggested that a way to kill Adam, or Claire for that matter, would be to cut their head off. Since the regenerative power seems to stem from a point in the hindbrain (remember Claire & Peter's "deaths" last year), I'm thinking that it's gonna be kind of hard to grow a new head when the part of your body that "triggers" the healing/regrowth is no longer attached. Just a thought.
shanniee
QUOTE(batmancw @ Nov 6 2007, 09:54 PM) *
We'll find out for sure next week, but as of yet we don't know that Peter exploded. We DO know that he released the energy that had built up, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he blew up into tiny bits.

Also, I'd suggested that a way to kill Adam, or Claire for that matter, would be to cut their head off. Since the regenerative power seems to stem from a point in the hindbrain (remember Claire & Peter's "deaths" last year), I'm thinking that it's gonna be kind of hard to grow a new head when the part of your body that "triggers" the healing/regrowth is no longer attached. Just a thought.

I think I speak for alot of persons wink.gif We already knew about this and commented about the part, why not cut off Adam's head off to kill him. But Insider and co said that Adam cant be killed while cutting his head of while Claire would as we've seen that. Whether this is true or false, we'll see soon enough wink.gif
nick0779
QUOTE(Andy p @ Nov 6 2007, 03:28 AM) *
I hate to say it but i dont really like peter's character, maybe its the whole 'he's got super special awsome powers so therefore we need to make him emotionally vunerable and keep stopping him from being too powerful by writing in different things that prevent him from using his powers ie: being emotionally unstable or amnesia' stuff that pisses me off im not sure.

What i do know however is that if you make a character in this kind of show too powerful, in fact in anything concerning power, then you will have a harder and harder time explaining why he didnt just do this or that with his powers, look at sylar its the exact same thing they had to make him lose his powers temporarily to give themselves time to write.

At least sylar is, for want of a less cliche' word, badass, peter is just a sap.
Personally i still think sylar is the biggest baddie because of the kind of power he carries around and he is more mentally equipped to use them than peter, right now he's having to lie low to make way for other villains.




Peter has amnesia bc the haitian zapped his memory. Remember the necklace
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