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Ryan777
So Maury gets screwed by his son, in a pretty awesome scene, But I have to say that though he didn't look like one, Maury was a pretty good villain.
alexleague
QUOTE(Ryan777 @ Nov 5 2007, 09:53 PM) *
So Maury gets screwed by his son, in a pretty awesome scene, But I have to say that though he didn't look like one, Maury was a pretty good villain.


Agreed. I don't think we will be seeing him again, but he provided some of my favorite moments of this season thus far with all of the nightmare sequences. But go Matt for finally overcoming his father and beating him with his own medicine.
Higgins
QUOTE(Ryan777 @ Nov 5 2007, 09:53 PM) *
So Maury gets screwed by his son, in a pretty awesome scene, But I have to say that though he didn't look like one, Maury was a pretty good villain.


Remember Bob say he keeping Maury sedated? Maybe when the company dies (literally or not) he'll wake up and break out of his nightmare.

On the other hand, there's not much more that can be done with his character, I don't think. We know now that Kensei is the guy behind him.
Aerdna
That scene was absolutely amazing! That was some brillaint acting by Grunny.

I actually began to cry tongue.gif Go Matty!
cool_gal992
I don't see why we would need Bob any more anyways, unless it is for some background info on matt parkman. We already know that he was just a pawn in Adam's game.
Tazorak
That was an awesome episode. This season is similar to last season, in how the season starts really slow and then picks up momentum and just gets better and better. too bad the writers are on strike and we wont be able to see volume there soon. :-(
Aerdna
QUOTE(cool_gal992 @ Nov 5 2007, 11:04 PM) *
I don't see why we would need Bob any more anyways, unless it is for some background info on matt parkman. We already know that he was just a pawn in Adam's game.


You mean Maury?
shadow06jm
yea.. thats wut she meant..
Irvie
I disliked him a lot actually.
He annoyed me.

So I'm glad. 8D
adobo24
That was an awesome episode.

Good for Matt. happy.gif
Ayala_42
QUOTE(Aerdna @ Nov 5 2007, 08:01 PM) *
That scene was absolutely amazing! That was some brillaint acting by Grunny.


OMG I know! That was the best scene in this episode, by far. wub.gif
OverDose_
I wondered why Maury was not able to overpower Matt's power -.-;;; c'mon... I want Maury to come back for some more bad a** nightmares =).
Raekon
QUOTE(OverDose_ @ Nov 6 2007, 07:23 AM) *
I wondered why Maury was not able to overpower Matt's power -.-;;; c'mon... I want Maury to come back for some more bad a** nightmares =).

Because Matt had the "writers pen" power activated that gave him the boost he needed to overcome someone Maury that actually had more than enough time to specialize on his power while Matt had partially no clue what he was doing. dry.gif

I really think that they need some new writers in the show and I hope that after the strike is over they will get some good ones by leaving out some of the old ones cause when I see from episode to episode how the abilities getting messed up or people die or similar other stuff I'm starting to get the feeling that this show goes down the drain when it comes to the writing. -.-
napoleon
i really liked this.
thoughts though
you think maury would be able to counter act and abilty hes had for years that matt fluked ont hat day..

the company should just kill him, over and done with
minara
QUOTE(alexleague @ Nov 5 2007, 10:34 PM) *
go Matt for finally overcoming his father and beating him with his own medicine.

I was so proud of Matt for overpowering Maury. You go, guy!
shanniee
Matt will mind control others now ? tongue.gif
Would be fantastic biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
masi_magnificent
wooh go matt! i thought it was really well played out. it was just fantastic! Awesome ep tongue.gif
shanniee
QUOTE(masi_magnificent @ Nov 6 2007, 01:50 PM) *
wooh go matt! i thought it was really well played out. it was just fantastic! Awesome ep tongue.gif

Matt's power is now one of the strongest :x
Everyone was like, its cool to have that power but not one of the best but now everyone is like:
Matt's power is one of the strongest ! laugh.gif
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Raekon @ Nov 5 2007, 11:26 PM) *
Because Matt had the "writers pen" power activated that gave him the boost he needed to overcome someone Maury that actually had more than enough time to specialize on his power while Matt had partially no clue what he was doing. dry.gif

I really think that they need some new writers in the show and I hope that after the strike is over they will get some good ones by leaving out some of the old ones cause when I see from episode to episode how the abilities getting messed up or people die or similar other stuff I'm starting to get the feeling that this show goes down the drain when it comes to the writing. -.-


Right, cause we've never seen Matt breaking through the nightmares befor...wait. He broke himself out, he broke Nathan out, and he was still able to communicate with Molly. And lets look at the characters motivation

Maury: do what Adam said
Matt: Save Molly and probably everyone else in the building. Face up to his past, ect.

These powers are evolving quite quickly. Peter can already use more than one ability at once, Hiro is getting more accurate with time and location when he 'ports, The Hatian can target specific memories, but Matt's power isn't allowed to develop at the same speed?

shanniee
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Nov 6 2007, 03:33 PM) *
Right, cause we've never seen Matt breaking through the nightmares befor...wait. He broke himself out, he broke Nathan out, and he was still able to communicate with Molly. And lets look at the characters motivation

Maury: do what Adam said
Matt: Save Molly and probably everyone else in the building. Face up to his past, ect.

These powers are evolving quite quickly. Peter can already use more than one ability at once, Hiro is getting more accurate with time and location when he 'ports, The Hatian can target specific memories, but Matt's power isn't allowed to develop at the same speed?

I think since they are newer and offsprings. They are able to develop their skills faster in contrary to their parent(s).
maxxann
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 10:36 PM) *
I think since they are newer and offsprings. They are able to develop their skills faster in contrary to their parent(s).

Like improved mutation...
shanniee
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 6 2007, 04:50 PM) *
Like improved mutation...

Yea exactly wink.gif
Ryan777
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 6 2007, 10:50 AM) *
Like improved mutation...


This evolution thing is really adding a lot to the storyline, its just amazing
mr. peasant
It makes sense that Matt was able to overcome Maury. From what I've seen, it appears that Maury never really bothered mastering his powers and instead relied on his ability to intimidate and manipulate his target's fears. So, when Matt overcame his Daddy Complex, Maury lost his hold of him. And with Matt by her side, Molly was no longer frightened of her 'Nightmare Man' either.

Instead, all Maury was left to feed off was his own fears and regrets (notice the room was his old apartment from when before he left Matt). Hence, it's not Matt who trapped him but rather he did it to himself.
shanniee
QUOTE(mr. peasant @ Nov 6 2007, 11:54 PM) *
It makes sense that Matt was able to overcome Maury. From what I've seen, it appears that Maury never really bothered mastering his powers and instead relied on his ability to intimidate and manipulate his target's fears. So, when Matt overcame his Daddy Complex, Maury lost his hold of him. And with Matt by her side, Molly was no longer frightened of her 'Nightmare Man' either.

Instead, all Maury was left to feed off was his own fears and regrets (notice the room was his old apartment from when before he left Matt). Hence, it's not Matt who trapped him but rather he did it to himself.

Quite good actually by Matt biggrin.gif
comatose
i think so too. maybe he won't be able to master it soon but in time to come. i think he just barge into maury's "nightmare" where molly was kept molly, intimidates him and left him there alone. but this is a start of his power evolving.
Raekon
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Nov 6 2007, 03:33 PM) *
Right, cause we've never seen Matt breaking through the nightmares befor...wait. He broke himself out, he broke Nathan out, and he was still able to communicate with Molly. And lets look at the characters motivation

Maury: do what Adam said
Matt: Save Molly and probably everyone else in the building. Face up to his past, ect.

These powers are evolving quite quickly. Peter can already use more than one ability at once, Hiro is getting more accurate with time and location when he 'ports, The Hatian can target specific memories, but Matt's power isn't allowed to develop at the same speed?

First of all, Matt scanned Nathans head and knew through this that it was Nathan.
That made him break out of this, nothing else. dry.gif

Secondly, The Haitian was able to turn a whole village (read his graphic novel?) to mindless zombies when he was still a kid so don't you think that it wasn't that big of a surprise to what he can do now?
I mean he already could go deep, deeper or total destruction before when it came to the memories.

Third, Motivation or not, it's obvious that they changed Matts power from Telepathy to a mixed one all of sudden only so he can be the "hero" against his father.

There is even a statement that he, Maury and Candice have the "same base" on their powers that could make them able to use each others powers like Candice could read minds or create nightmares while Matt could create illussions like she did and Maury also being able to do what the other two are able to do.

His main power should actually be in a evolved form what it was in 5 years gone(scanned HRGs thoughts to the deepest so he could still gain informations even HRG tried to hide them) and what he did with Nathan in that episode (talk into his head). Nothing more and nothing less cause thats a true Telepath.

However, the writers took a regular character, changed his main power to a mixed form adding parts of the powers of reccuring characters that were wasted/killed/whatever, only so they can make the popular regular more interesting to the audience.

Their excuse to this is as they stated "All of those three characters have a basic mind based power".

With other words, only because their power is based on the mind, they are able to evolve/enhance to a other power doing things that their main power actually doesn't give them. dry.gif

That would actually mean that because Nikki and others have physical based powers, they could also "evolve" to the other powers like if nikki all of sudden could fly like nathan and copy physical actions like monica, while nathan evolves to super strength and muscle mimic (yeah right....).

I guess they forgot that they feed us the whole season one with the term that "everyone has only ONE ability, only Peter and Sylar are more Special". huh.gif

Could they mess up more or what?
Archis
bob said that matt's powers could control the mind....even the senses!!!

so does this mean he can use his own senses in a superb way? like super-hearing? super-eyesight?

or does this mean he can manipulate other peoples' senses? like make them see what he wants them to see or hear?
Raekon
QUOTE(Archis @ Nov 8 2007, 08:07 AM) *
bob said that matt's powers could control the mind....even the senses!!!

so does this mean he can use his own senses in a superb way? like super-hearing? super-eyesight?

or does this mean he can manipulate other peoples' senses? like make them see what he wants them to see or hear?

As I said above, the show started to "merge" powers on single persons so it will obviously be possible for him to do such things either soon or later in a other season.
maxxann
QUOTE(Raekon @ Nov 8 2007, 03:26 PM) *
As I said above, the show started to "merge" powers on single persons so it will obviously be possible for him to do such things either soon or later in a other season.

That would be cool yet I think that would be an overkill... imagine all of them very powerful? I wish it would only be Peter, Sylar and Adam.
suibhne
I dont understand why Maury was helping Adam? - why was he tryin to kill bob in this episode if it is adam that wants him dead.
Archis


QUOTE(suibhne)
I dont understand why Maury was helping Adam? - why was he tryin to kill bob in this episode if it is adam that wants him dead.


er..doesnt maury work for adam?
Raekon
QUOTE(suibhne @ Nov 8 2007, 02:59 PM) *
I dont understand why Maury was helping Adam? - why was he tryin to kill bob in this episode if it is adam that wants him dead.

Bob had mentioned already that Maury was Adams "Weapon" and Linderman his "Disciple".

What intrigues me is only that Angela was a friend of Lindermans and tried to help him in his plan so that would mean that either Angela were also working for Adam before or Linderman had changed his ways and tried to prevent the virus from happening while Angela helped him to accomplish this task.

That could be also the reason why Angela ended on Adams "killing list" and had her attacked.

However, I guess that Angela was attacked by Maury and while she were under attack, her ability somehow kicked in. That would explain the electricity issues in the department since if it were caused by maury, no one else would see or get notice of this.

It interests me if they used this only as a effect or if her power actually really had something to do with this.

However... I could be also mistaking and that is another plot hole the writers hoped we won't notice. tongue.gif
perfectly-messy
mmm....i used to hate Matt last season. He was annoying as hell. And now i actually like him, he got way more involved this season and he is like the combination of Candice, Molly and some other mental powers.

He's offically the strongest character in the show...especially when Sylar got his new Sylar'd tool (the mugs and bricks) and Peter is just back to being typical Peter now
jasfro
QUOTE(perfectly-messy @ Nov 9 2007, 09:59 AM) *
mmm....i used to hate Matt last season. He was annoying as hell. And now i actually like him, he got way more involved this season and he is like the combination of Candice, Molly and some other mental powers.

He's offically the strongest character in the show...especially when Sylar got his new Sylar'd tool (the mugs and bricks) and Peter is just back to being typical Peter now



i don't think thats true yet, matt escaped from the nightmare maury created, but he didn't create one himself....

and the two strongest characters in my opinion are hiro and peter
EterniCode
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Nov 6 2007, 09:33 AM) *
These powers are evolving quite quickly. Peter can already use more than one ability at once,


He can? I don't remember him doing that this season...

And, in my mind, when he read minds while in the past doesn't count tongue.gif


QUOTE(Archis @ Nov 8 2007, 02:07 AM) *
bob said that matt's powers could control the mind....even the senses!!!

so does this mean he can use his own senses in a superb way? like super-hearing? super-eyesight?

or does this mean he can manipulate other peoples' senses? like make them see what he wants them to see or hear?


The way Bob put it was

Bob: "This one goes to you, Matt"
Matt: "What? Me? All I can do is read minds."
Bob: "No, no, no, you have the same abilities as Maury has; anything the brain controls, you control"
Matt: "No."
Bob: "Senses, actions, thoughts..."
Matt "No!"

I'm guessing he can only manipulate how the senses (his or others') perceive reality, not intensify his own senses to gain extra perception.
Archis
hmm...but it would be cool if he has super-eyesight/hearing...
but i guess the writers would run out of powers
Triton
D*mn Maury is now gone. He was my favourate bad guy of them all. Maury was so intriguing and facinating, always throwing ppl off, and was way more interesting than typical Sylar. I really wanted the show to showcase his mindset and abilities just a little more, and I feel that his character was remarkably underused to say the least.
KoR-evo
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 02:36 PM) *
I think since they are newer and offsprings. They are able to develop their skills faster in contrary to their parent(s).

Not just that, but because of the changing environment..evolution manifests due to external changes in the world. I would assume that because the world is in a grave state these changes are propelled forward. "evolution is often a violent struggle.."
darkyvet2007
QUOTE(Ryan777 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:53 PM) *
So Maury gets screwed by his son, in a pretty awesome scene, But I have to say that though he didn't look like one, Maury was a pretty good villain.


He had the same look the fat guy from jurassic park had before being devoured by a prehistoric animal...
He was predestined to die since he first appeared in scene... he had that grumpy look... like he was a bum
matcautious
He'll probably have a bigger role next season, when him, Sylar and Adam team up and start the Evil Heroes
Cylar
Sylar frees Adam, tries to kill him, fails and Adam offers him job... Welcome to Evil ville.
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