First post here I watched all of season one through veoh and been catching the new episodes for S2 on NBC's website (watched episode 7 on TV though a first) I still think Kensei (spelling?) is still good and in the end will sacrifice himself for the world. Of course why ever he sacrifices himself will either be A) against Sylar or B ) Something he has done that would require someone to die to fix it (for whatever reason).

No real proof or evidence to back it...just a feeling I have.

Edit: I forgot to address the immortal issue. Though he can seemingly not age and can heal I don't believe him to be immortal it would take something absolutely huge to kill him (even beyond a nuclear blast) but I think it possible.

My question is what other powers does he have? Bob suggested that he brought the previous generation of heroes together. Also that he turned a Tsunami into a snow storm.

I'm also curious -- is Adam Monroe somehow stranded in the past in events that happen later this season. Unlikely, but possible -- this would also explain why he appears to get charred to a crisp in the explosion yet lives on in the future.

I don't think it was him who turned the Tsunami into a snow storm. I think we already are aware of his powers: regeneration 'immortality' I forgot where I read it but I read an article before on how Claire's/Peter's regeneration powers would technically mean they couldn't age. So I think Kensei just has basically what Claire and Peter have maybe with a small twist in it.

He didn't turn the tsunami into a snow storm. It was only stated that he was partly responsible for what happened.

And for your second paragraph, he has the power of regeneration that's why no matter what you do to him, he heals back.

It seems so.
Adam is just evil period
He felt he got betrayed by Hiro now he wants Hiro to be suffered.

But will he prove Hiro right by repenting in the end? Hiro has cut out his heart for him. Maybe this is the true Trial of the Great Dragon?

That tsunami into snow could have been Molly's dad. remember sylar ate his brain and he showed that ability to his mother when he visited her, because his mom loves those snow-souvenirs, the one you shake?

Adam may be good. Hiro gave us a hint in 1671 Japan. Hiro said: His heartbreak made him bad but I can still see there is good inside him.

so it may be that Bob or kaito got jealous of this power: Adam was acting as the leader of the company. Adam might've been searching for others like him for years. So he acted as the leader. And of course, what group wont have different opinions? So it may be that kaito and the others connived to lock Adam up and Maury? maury was just one of them who wants to be the leader and the strongest.

I have thought this might be possible as well.

After rethinking it I'm not sure if I think he will sacrifice himself...he will turn good though and help the group I *think*. Possibly stop the virus he will release from spreading.

Maybe if he does die that's how not even he is immune to the virus and will willingly become a test subject for Mohinder to try and cure it.

Random side note. I didn't get the impression that there was a tsunami that someone changed into a snowstorm - but rather that someone made snow fall, and Bob pointed out that someone with that power could drop a tsunami on the city instead of they wanted to. IE under Adam's guidance those powers that were almost harmless could do a lot of dmg.

Nah, I think he'll be a villain to the end. I mean, one doesn't carry a grudge for 400 years only to forget it in a single night. Nor, does a person change his ideals at a moment's notice. If you ask me, I suspect he'll have to be stopped by Hiro and the others and that the Company will probably lock him in a steel box and dump him into the Mariana Trench.

agreed, Adam wont be changed to good since he has a grudge against Hiro for 400 years. You just dont forgive him like that..

Thats just it his grudge is against Hiro not the world I think *maybe* a new love interest (maybe something else) will help him see that he shouldn't punish the world for Hiro. Though I think he will never forgive Hiro and they will probably have a showdown. I just believe Kensei isn't completely bad he hates Hiro with all his heart? yes but a complete and utter villain to the core? no

An utter villain to the core, yes. He has changed over the past 400 years. He now thinks hes a God...
and he thinks what does a God want with a girl like Yaeko when he can get so much more?

You forget, though. Sylar FROZE James Walker. That means he already had the power by then, and couldn't have gotten it from him.

He froze him. But that doesn't exactly make James Walker water, right? He can turn water into snow not freeze people.

Maybe it was Bob that turned water to snow?
Just putting it out there.

Always a possibility that Bob did the snow fall
He changed the clouds and molecular structures to a snow molecular

it would be interesting too if bob have evolved and able to change anything into something else for that matter.

Are you able to tell for sure that Sylar didn't kill him... take his power... and then freeze the room to prove his new power worked? Theres no exact explanation as to how Mollys father died other than the assumption that he died *because* of being frozen...

But thats all it is... an assumption!!

that would be impossible since the older generation are less likely to evolve into something more. I think the younger ones are more susceptible to mutate into something more than what they can do since they are mixtures of the older ones... that's just me though.

And where is the proof he thinks he's god now? They've only showed future Kensei for what.....10 seconds? that's just an assumption that he's evil to the core.

Maury's powers evolved. He told Matt that the mind reading is only the beginning so obviously there are other developments of people's powers.



The fact that he was ready to destroy Japan kind of justifies the assumption.

Still doesn't mean he's evil to his very core. One action does not make a man evil. And even once someone is evil it does not mean he is ecompletly evil. And both of those do not mean he can't be saved and brought back over to 'good'.

He wanted to destroy Japan

First of all Wikipedia evil there are many definitions and concepts to it. One of being there are no evil people only evil actions.

So the action of wanting to destroy Japan (he didn't get the chance to destroy it just wanted to) was evil but that doesn't make Kensei evil.

Evil and good are very opinionated terms meaning my definition =/= yours, yours =/= the next guys.

I believe Kensei is not evil in the sense that there's no good in him, deep down he still has good I think and we will see it again. I can't prove it just as you can't disprove it. And no wanting to destroy Japan doesn't make him fully evil, yes it makes the action he was going to perform evil but doesn't mean he is/was "fully" evil, and it also isn't proof to him being fully evil.

Regardless whether he is 'purely evil' or otherwise, Adam/Kensei is still playing a villainous role this season (whether he makes a last minute change is still up for questions). I base this purely on the fact that he is currently already involved in the virus plot and his change of character in recent episodes. Granted, it's been 400 years since his first turn to the dark side, the fact that this is a television show and they did not show his character progression means he will be a villain.

I totally agree he is a villain for the moment forsure no arguments. Thats what my original post was about though what you stated, Kensei making a last minute change due to the fact he is not purely evil and still has good.

If he does turn good I think it'll be very last minute and with a possibility of him being good in season 3 if he doesn't die or the equivalent of dying for him.

Ah, but they've taken much more than that to explain the company's view of Adam.

From epi 2/07:

Bob: "Adam is the one who's trying to kill us."
Nathan: "I thought Maury Parkman was..."
Bob: "Maury's the weapon, he's the blunt instrument; Adam was the visionary. But with these abilities sometimes people tend to think of themselves as gods."
Bob: "Did you ever think that, Nathan? Adam did. And he began to talk about holocausts. Plagues. Punishing humanity in order to save the world."
Nathan: "Sounds a lot like Linderman."
Bob: "Linderman was Adam's disciple. Adam was dangerous. So we locked him up, we threw away the key. Two weeks ago he escapes, and now he wants revenge."

Hence all the ideas swirling around that Adam thinks of himself as a god.