tnkrer
Nov 6 2007, 02:03 AM
I mean Noah may not be a saint and probably quite screwed up
but trusting Bob!
Is that guy brainless?
FacJoe
Nov 6 2007, 02:12 AM
Same thing that probably happened with Claire. You give a character growth during several episodes and decide to take it away just like that in one episode so that you can advance a plot quicker.
BacktoBedlam
Nov 6 2007, 02:27 AM
It must be hard for him. He doesn't know who to trust because as far as he's concerned they're both as bad as each other. Bennett has pretty much made it clear that he'll do anything to protect his family and Mohinder has already said that he doesn't know what his agenda is anymore. As well as the fact that he's just murdered someone who was supposed to be a 'friend'. From his point of view they're both 'morally grey'.
vikesh10
Nov 6 2007, 02:29 AM
Mohinder ends up shooting HRG .... very deep
tnkrer
Nov 6 2007, 02:33 AM
QUOTE(BacktoBedlam @ Nov 6 2007, 02:27 AM)

It must be hard for him. He doesn't know who to trust because as far as he's concerned they're both as bad as each other. Bennett has pretty much made it clear that he'll do anything to protect his family and Mohinder has already said that he doesn't know what his agenda is anymore. As well as the fact that he's just murdered someone who was supposed to be a 'friend'. From his point of view they're both 'morally grey'.
of course, but thats when you keep your trap shut. Keep watching for the best move. You dont just confide to one baddie that you are in cahoots with other baddie!
yeah, but the plot has to move on, I suppose.
cbaby
Nov 6 2007, 02:42 AM
plus noah made it clear he cares for nothing else other than his family.. where does that leave mohinder..?
mohinder knows that noah won't have his back anyways and i guess what happened in the company headquarters, bob's seemed confident with his plan to attack maury and so mohinder thinks maybe the company has good intentions now..?
better than noah anyhow..
The DOKTOR
Nov 6 2007, 02:57 AM
For the last few episode, Benett is a lot scarier than Bob, from Mohinder's POV.
shanniee
Nov 6 2007, 04:14 AM
QUOTE(The DOKTOR @ Nov 6 2007, 11:57 AM)

For the last few episode, Benett is a lot scarier than Bob, from Mohinder's POV.
Hmm yeah true. It would seem that Mohinder will end up shooting Noah

It's a shame that this will happen... If only Noah could survive
Atheshar
Nov 6 2007, 05:07 AM
I don't think he "went backwards" at all. He doesn't believe Bob is a 'good guy.' He knows all about the virus, he blames Bob for infecting Niki with an incurable strain, and he hates Bob for it in the way only a really sincere person can. He said to her that Bob is morally gray at best, and he really believes that.
Unfortunately he had a misconceived view of HRG as well. Ivan's death came as a total surprise to him. Add that to his "So that makes me expendable?" which HRG answers with absolute phone silence, and he must feel like he's slowly waking up. He realizes that HRG is using him, just like Bob is - someone he knows inside the Company who can work with him. For HRG the ultimate good is protecting his family and he plays that card to get Mohinder's sympathy... but he really doesn't care about Mohinder's life, or really, any of his larger moral goals at all. Remember that HRG wanted Mohinder to inject Monica with the virus. At that point Mohinder realized that he and HRG had separate goals.
Mohinder's #1 priority is getting rid of the virus threat. Originally that was bringing down the Company. Now, however, it's getting Claire to cure Niki and stop the virus before it breaks out. That's his primary agenda - stopping the virus is the most important thing right now, unless we want that glimpse of the future to come true. It's more important in Mohinder's eyes than Bennet's personal vendetta against the Company, certainly more important than protecting just one family.
He doesn't trust Bob and he doesn't trust HRG. But it's like what Niki said: "what would you do?" He has to make a choice. Right now Claire is the best way he sees of stopping the virus - the only way - and no personal vendetta or whatever from HRG is going to get in the way. That's why he takes the gun: he wants to do "the right thing" which for him is stopping that virus.
Just because we, as viewers, liked the idea of HRG and Mohinder taking down the Company, doesn't mean Mohinder's decision to end that arrangement is stupid. Far from it, he's acting intelligently on what he knows. More than that he's acting morally which is something a lot of folks seem to have trouble with.
But then again, something tells me that a lot of people won't ever think of Mohinder as anything but dumb after his road trip with "Zane" last season. Unfortunate since he's one of the most profoundly sincere characters, and I really admire that, regardless of what comes of it.
Sinner
Nov 6 2007, 05:23 AM
I have to agree with back to bedlam
The DOKTOR
Nov 6 2007, 06:21 AM
In spite of his actions up to now, I really like Mohinder. From a storytelling point of view, he's the normal guy of the show, the one we identify with. Of course, we may not agree with his decisions but they (the writers) make him behave like a moral person entangled in a very difficult an unclear situation.
I just hope he doesn't end up killing Bennet (or is it Benett?

).
shanniee
Nov 6 2007, 06:34 AM
QUOTE(The DOKTOR @ Nov 6 2007, 03:21 PM)

In spite of his actions up to now, I really like Mohinder. From a storytelling point of view, he's the normal guy of the show, the one we identify with. Of course, we may not agree with his decisions but they (the writers) make him behave like a moral person entangled in a very difficult an unclear situation.
I just hope he doesn't end up killing Bennet (or is it Benett?

).
Butler
But I hope the painting is not entirely true... maybe Claire will save her dad by giving a transplant or whatever she can do

Don't want HRG to die d*** it... Why did they had to pick HRG... d*** Survivor... woops Heroes
maxxann
Nov 6 2007, 07:55 AM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 10:34 PM)

Butler
But I hope the painting is not entirely true... maybe Claire will save her dad by giving a transplant or whatever she can do

Don't want HRG to die d*** it... Why did they had to pick HRG... d*** Survivor... woops Heroes

Noah is clever. he won't get killed (i hope). I think Bob showed those pictures to persuade Mohinder to confess. I think they have been listening to his phone conversations in the company grounds. They're kinda sloppy for talking to each other in the company compound.
I hope Noah leaves Claire. And get his biological family out of danger, including himself. But come back for a bad a** fight with Bob, possibly Adam... (wishing) It would be much more interesting to see Noah fight Adam than Peter fight Adam...
hiroburger
Nov 6 2007, 08:47 AM
are we sure that mohinder kills bennet? there are two separate paintings - one with mohinder and a smoking gun, and one with bennet shot (in the eye!). have we ever seen two paintings depict the same action before? i personally think mohinder shooting the gun has nothing to do with bennet's death. noah will die by someone else's trigger.....
Atheshar
Nov 6 2007, 09:18 AM
...if Noah dies at all. The last of Isaac's previous paintings (bomb going off IN new york) didn't exactly happen either.
HRG clearly thinks that Mohinder kills him - hence his concern about Mohinder having a Company gun. By putting them back to back and panning from one to the other, the writers want us to think that too. I admit it's a thrilling and exciting possibility.
But we know how Heroes works - what looks obvious rarely is. Especially since these are the last two paintings, they center around the crucial turning point of this whole affair. If there's going to be a twist anywhere, this is it.
So maybe Mohinder shoots HRG. Maybe he shoots someone else. Maybe HRG doesn't die at all. We don't really know - we aren't sure of anything. All we can know is what they want us to think - and right now they want us to think Mohinder'll be the one pulling the trigger on Noah.
shanniee
Nov 6 2007, 10:22 AM
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Nov 6 2007, 06:18 PM)

...if Noah dies at all. The last of Isaac's previous paintings (bomb going off IN new york) didn't exactly happen either.
HRG clearly thinks that Mohinder kills him - hence his concern about Mohinder having a Company gun. By putting them back to back and panning from one to the other, the writers want us to think that too. I admit it's a thrilling and exciting possibility.
But we know how Heroes works - what looks obvious rarely is. Especially since these are the last two paintings, they center around the crucial turning point of this whole affair. If there's going to be a twist anywhere, this is it.
So maybe Mohinder shoots HRG. Maybe he shoots someone else. Maybe HRG doesn't die at all. We don't really know - we aren't sure of anything. All we can know is what they want us to think - and right now they want us to think Mohinder'll be the one pulling the trigger on Noah.
Yea, but what if they just wanted us to think like this
Atheshar
Nov 6 2007, 10:33 AM
Maybe they're thinking that we're thinking that they're thinking that -
...
what are they up to?
msmarvel
Nov 6 2007, 11:06 AM
I sympathize with Mohinder, all Noah has done is protect his family, he's killed and made Mohinder and others expendable. And, Bennet didn't care if the virus spread or hurt Monica either. Bob has seemingly made some bad choices, kidnapping heroes and testing the virus. But, Bob tampered with the virus to stop people like Gabriel Gray, who are truly dangerous, but he doesn't need the virus for Nikki. He does what he can to help these heroes adapt, so they won't be harmful to themselves or others. Bob also doesn't run, he fights, even makes himself bait. he wants to right his wrongs and help the others defeat Maury, because he knows him best. He even helps Matt expand his powers and Nikki control hers. I like Bob, his actions are "morally grey", but he seems to be a case of the ends justify the means. While HRG is putting many at risk and outright killing them, for his own hide and three others. I think that HRG is still good, obviously since he wants to protect his family, but he is spread to thin without the resources he once had, it's getting personal. I think Bob is essentially good, but more of a realist. Poor Mohinder is in too deep and he had to make a judgement, and I think he made the right one at the time. Who knows what the future brings.
I also don't think Mohinder will kill HRG...I think they want us to think that.
And how do we know the company is bad? Tampering with minds and kidnapping is bad, but what massive bad have they really done?
MrJP
Nov 6 2007, 11:48 AM
Mohinder seems quite able to keep his principle's/moral good, even in stressfull situations. He doesn't seem like someone who would shoot someone, unless he feels he must do it to protect someone. He thinks that people deserve a second or third chance, so I don't think he'll shoot HRG.
We don't even know if it's a person he will be shooting, he might shoot a tank filled with virus infected liquid, that's a lot more Mohinder style!
Also Claire seemed to be involved on the painting of HRG death. Now if HRG was smart and didn't want the paiting to come, throw those glasses away! if his glasses would be gone, the painting would be com[letely different! Now if the painting will always happen, glue your glasses to someone else his face. HRG face was hardly noticable his glasses were.
That's what I call playing by the rules
shanniee
Nov 6 2007, 12:16 PM
QUOTE(MrJP @ Nov 6 2007, 08:48 PM)

Mohinder seems quite able to keep his principle's/moral good, even in stressfull situations. He doesn't seem like someone who would shoot someone, unless he feels he must do it to protect someone. He thinks that people deserve a second or third chance, so I don't think he'll shoot HRG.
We don't even know if it's a person he will be shooting, he might shoot a tank filled with virus infected liquid, that's a lot more Mohinder style!
Also Claire seemed to be involved on the painting of HRG death. Now if HRG was smart and didn't want the paiting to come, throw those glasses away! if his glasses would be gone, the painting would be com[letely different! Now if the painting will always happen, glue your glasses to someone else his face. HRG face was hardly noticable his glasses were.
That's what I call playing by the rules

smart thinking about the timespace continuum. If it was written in history that he had to die with his glasses on just throw the glasses away since this will mean history can change afterall.
comatose
Nov 7 2007, 04:02 AM
i was thinking, the bomb didnt go off cos nathan fly peter up. in the picture claire was hiding with a boy[could it be adam? i thought the boy was a blonde] maybe history changed and claire went out and take the bullet instead, saving noah. and nobody dies.
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