The episode first seemed to explain a bit more about the company, but after thinking about it things only become more unclear to me. We already knew there were people who were in favor of blowing up new york or sacrificing people for "the greater good", which was 0,07% of the world population.
The guy which was introduced to us as the leader of the company seemed to agree with this sacrifice, as he was talking with Nathan about it. Which would mean he would be on the side with Linderman and Adam, than why would they keep him locked up?

Also Adam was the one who said they all should be together. Then why has the company was the company more or less hunted them all down? With Maury they could have made anyone join them.
Also Angela and Kaito were they disciples of Adam? Angela certainly said that Nathan was destined to lead the new world (the one after the explosion). They way Kaito talked to Angela on the roof suggests that he backed out of the plan and trying to make Angela feel guilty she didn't. We know Kaito belonged to the company, he gave Claire to Noah, which suggest more that the company wanted to destroy New York.
Athur Petrelli gave up according to Linderman, so what was his position? He decided to change his ways? That may be way he commited suicide, because of regret, if he commited suicide...

All this thinking is making my head hurt.

Anyone who has an idea what's going on after this episode?

WE at least know that the people from the elder generation who were on Adam's side was Linderman and Maury. But unclear about Angela and Kaito. It would seem they were on his side, but they regret/backed off so I think its discussable that Kaito/Angela were on Bob's side is what I think

Yeah but I really don't get is that the company was in favor of New York blowing up, which would be Adam's vision, from what we know and they say they had him locked up till 2 weeks ago. Keeping in mind we're 4 months in the future at least.

It isn't really a single "company." They were united, but they split up. Some followed adam, some just continued his vission...with better results and fewer casauties. Some continued the caompanies orignal bag, tag, and stop the dangerous.

Yea, it seems like that. But we still dont know for all of the elder generation who was on who's side...

We can guess a few of them

Adam's disciples:

Linderman
Maury

Former Disciples:

Angela Petrelli (changed after bomb)
Arthur Petrealli (backed out before)
Kaito Nakumura: (backed out before, gave Hiro the training he needed to do his part in preventing it)



Charles was still Angela's friend, even though he didn't think the explosion was unstopable

Bob seems to be with the old bag, tag, and stop bad guys part of the company. Morally gray, for the better good type guy.

The Others? No idea...

Bob said that. But then Bob could be lying... because Angella was conniving with Linderman for the NY blow up. That leaves, Adam could be the good guy... but then, what he said to Hiro in the past: As long as I have breath I will see you suffer." makes him the bad guy. But then Hiro said to Yaeko: His heartbreak made him bad but in I can see he is still good in the inside." So that could be a hint that Adam was indeed saving the world. All Bob is saying could be rubbish..

well, a piece of my thoughts...

True, but we dont know much about it since Bob could have lied or not... That's the question that we need to figure out

Possible, but the split had to be quite recent and HRG wouldn't be knowing about it. He killed his old mentor, which was part of the company and that was the same company Bob was working for. HRG worked for the same company as the guy who was in favor of the world being blown to pieces.



I agree that Hiro's comment about Adam will likely hold some truth, I don't expect Bob's words to be a complete lie. It's not the way Hero's has been written so far or how tv shows in general handle such a thing. However, it's the most likely explanation I've seen.

Well define recently... HRG has worked for the Company at least 17 years... The Company exits for over 30 years... so the split isnt older then 17 years so figure it out

HRG's company was trying to let NY explode, as Mr. Thompson said against Nathan (just looked up this guy's name). HRG's mentor was part of Bob's company, which shows that HRG and Bob's company used to be the same.

Now I'm saying the split would have to be recent in less than a year or likely less than 4 months. Why would HRG try to take down the part of the company which he didn't belong to? He wouldn't even know what harm they are causing.You are
Now, why would HRG want to take down the part of the company he didn't belong to? Also how would he know its procedures. Not to forget they knew about Molly, Mister Bennet's fingerprints and Claire. I think it's more likely that if there was a split it would have been a couple of months before the story of season 1 started or even after Peter exploded.
More likely to me seems that Bob would have lied, Thompson had his own agenda or that the company didn't agree with Adam vision, but preffered just some parts of it.

It must be before season 1 that is defitenely true. Less then 4 months is unlikely as HRG was already trying to take them down longer then 4 months.
I would say around the time Peter's father died is the minimum so my best guess would be 6 months in the episode 6 Months ago.

Maybe the company didn't split, but the elders did...

Aside from Kaito and Bob, it doesn't look like the elders had a lot to do with running the company.

Linderman-terroizing and running casino(s?). Had some control over comapnies actions (through Candace).

Angela-seemed to stay home.

Arthur-lawyer, backed up other elders when they were in legal trouble (maybe he had power of persuasion like Eden ?)

Maury-crook and pawn

Devaux-owned that building, seemed to be their base back when they met reguarly. Never mentioned him having a company.

Bob- doing most of the running the company (America division anyway).

Kaito-running a company in Japan, possibly another division, possibly a normal company.

Consider this -- the 'bomb' was supported by Linderman, Angela Petrelli, and the company, -- which at the time seemed to be under the leadership of Thompson. Suppose the bomb was intended to somehow prevent a greater apocolypse (shanti virus pandemic) -- .07% of New Yorks poulation seems like a reasonable sacrifice compared to 93% of the human race.

To use Vulcan logic, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Can't wait to find out the whole story behind the bomb. I do not expect there is any split within the company -- more likely only a select few know the whole story. Remember (if Bob is to be beleived) Adam Monroe was in 'custody' of some sort up until after the bomb was to have gone off. Not likely that this was part of his vision. More likely it was to prevent his intended apocolypse.

I was under the impression that Linderman was leading the company until he died, at which point Bob took over. The company splitting is indeed a strong possibility, though. I believe that Adam, being 350 years old now, is extremely cunning and capable of easily manipulating people. As they said, the explosion would unite the world under Nathan. But Nathan was to merely be the puppet, and Adam the master. I'm sure that it's power that Adam wants since he asked for half of Japan from White Beard when he could have asked for anything.

Power is what villains makes villains... They want more and dont get enough with what they have. This is the thing with Adam. He wants more because he thinks he deserves more... He thinks hes a God and so he thinks God must have everything.

Linderman was a disciple of Adam acording to Bob, doesn't make sense that Linderman would have Adam Locked up. Adam might be cunning, but I don't see how he could be exceptionally manipulating. A person as Maury would have been able to triply that level of manipulation anytime.
Why would Adam come after the company



Why can power be the only motive for villians? There's women and gold as well Bob said Adam wanted to make the world which would be better for their children. That may have been a lie from bob or from Adam to Bob, but doesn't sound like he simply wants it all because he thinks he is god. Because he thinks he is god he feels that he should create the faith of the world and write history. Maybe he wishes to create a new world where only people with regenerative people can survive, so there'll be a world without sickness, pain and suffering.
Oh and so far Adam's main motive would be revenge, we don't know what he will do in the futher.

In another topic it was said Adam had been captured by the company and had been run some tests on, which would be the reason he would be killing them now (taking for granted the company and the 12 have at least something in common). It could the company did agree with Adam's vision, but Adam didn't want to work with them anymore as they used him as guinea pig.

I have held the thought that, indeed, the NYC explosion around which Volume 1 was built, may have been the solution to one possible future wherein the Shanti Virus decimated the global population. Most of the precog visions we had of that event included a large percentage of known Heroes clustered in NYC, so it may be that the plan was to wipe out a majority of the possible carriers of the virus, thereby reducing it's eventual near-total impact.

Linderman probably didn't know he was destined to die on the eve of the NYC event, so perhaps he expected that his power to promote healing in others would be put to good use in the remaing reduced special population, and that would be sufficient motivation for many of the remaining specials to side with the Linderman Group and their agenda. Between his own power and the potential to exploit Claire's power in develping another cure for the virus, it was a clear path to world domination. But then, why didn't they try to exploit Takezo's power, since it's so much like Claire's?

Too many unknowns!

i dont think we can be sure the explosion was to wipe out the shanti virus until we are told so. what i wonder is that if it was adam's vision, most would die but not him. and if most of the special people would die in that bomb, that means the rest of the specials would be easily exploited by adam. knowing that he wants power, he could use these people and get what he wants. the virus was jst an excuse to minimise the competition.

But we do know the bomb would prevent the virus, slow it or allow a cure to be found, as the future episode didn't show any sign of virusses or 93% of the world population dead.

With Adam, the company or who ever were behind it seemed to be very capable of calculating events and how they would change the future, so the possibility surely is there.