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cbaby
i thought that was so cute how happy ando was to see hiro again.. and also how overjoyed hiro was to see his old friend too.. biggrin.gif

but then when hiro asked where his dad was, i suddenly thought, 'oh crap, i forgot about that little pickle..'
minara
Hiro and Ando are my favorite pairing on the show, and it was adorable when Hiro saw Ando again.

It was also devastating when Ando told him his dad was dead. sad.gif
shanniee
QUOTE(minara @ Nov 6 2007, 12:57 PM) *
Hiro and Ando are my favorite pairing on the show, and it was adorable when Hiro saw Ando again.

It was also devastating when Ando told him his dad was dead. sad.gif

So nice to see but then the dad part.... that was horribly for Hiro ! sad.gif
gingerland1982
it was abit strange how hiro asked if they stopped the bomb, if they hadn't ando wouldn't have been alive!!
wils1234
Yeah, He even wrote letters to Ando.
The DOKTOR
Well, Ando was in Japan when the ''bomb'' blew up. There's no way he would know about the outcome of last season.
shanniee
QUOTE(The DOKTOR @ Nov 6 2007, 03:23 PM) *
Well, Ando was in Japan when the ''bomb'' blew up. There's no way he would know about the outcome of last season.

Ofcourse he could... He went to NY didnt he ? smile.gif
If he couldnt go to NY he would assume that NY got blown up but since he was there and nothing was destroyed = logical reason that he says they stopped the bomb wink.gif
The DOKTOR
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 09:25 AM) *
Ofcourse he could... He went to NY didnt he ? smile.gif
If he couldnt go to NY he would assume that NY got blown up but since he was there and nothing was destroyed = logical reason that he says they stopped the bomb wink.gif

Sorry, I meant There's no way HIRO would know about the bomb...
English is not my first language so sometimes I make errors in my writing... wink.gif
maxxann
QUOTE(wils1234 @ Nov 6 2007, 09:20 PM) *
Yeah, He even wrote letters to Ando.

you're absolutely correct. If he hadn't known they stopped the bomb, why write letters to Ando? I think the writers guild strike affected the storyline a bit LOL laugh.gif
The DOKTOR
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 6 2007, 10:20 AM) *
you're absolutely correct. If he hadn't known they stopped the bomb, why write letters to Ando? I think the writers guild strike affected the storyline a bit LOL laugh.gif

Because Hiro knew Ando was safe in Japan; he brought him there before going back to kill Sylar.
gingerland1982
QUOTE(The DOKTOR @ Nov 6 2007, 07:27 AM) *
Because Hiro knew Ando was safe in Japan; he brought him there before going back to kill Sylar.


that is a good point i had forgotten about that bit!!
bignas1234
ooo that was a sad part sad.gif
too bad man, but i heard Hiro is going to go back into the past to save his father but then he meets adam and fails to save his dad sad.gif
GeneZ
i think hiro just wanted to ask adam if he wanted to trust him or not.
and what hiro did in the tent was stop time then teleport, like what he did to fake takezo kensei in the 1st episode.
or.
maybe yaeko's father has a power?
he did make the sword with the symbol.
why would he make that sword with that specific symbol?
what does that mean!?
hmm...
and the way he looks.. he could've kept a secret. tongue.gif
shanniee
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Nov 6 2007, 06:37 PM) *
i think hiro just wanted to ask adam if he wanted to trust him or not.
and what hiro did in the tent was stop time then teleport, like what he did to fake takezo kensei in the 1st episode.
or.
maybe yaeko's father has a power?
he did make the sword with the symbol.
why would he make that sword with that specific symbol?
what does that mean!?
hmm...
and the way he looks.. he could've kept a secret. tongue.gif

Maybe but we're not going to find out tongue.gif
cbaby
QUOTE(Oobe @ Nov 7 2007, 02:59 AM) *
Hiro teleported with the princess AND THE PRICESS FATHER. WHILE THE FATHER WAS AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TENT!! NOT RIGHT! I thought HIRO should 'touch' ppl to teleport them?? why would he ask adam in the fight to take his hand to teleport?? SO WHATS THE DEAL with the father of the princess??

could be that his powers are developing as parkman's did.. maybe he no longer has to touch people to teleport them..?
brensplit
QUOTE(cbaby @ Nov 7 2007, 01:49 PM) *
could be that his powers are developing as parkman's did.. maybe he no longer has to touch people to teleport them..?


He stopped time then teleported... easy rolleyes.gif
EkEL8
There shouldnt even be a 'present' time to begin with for Hiro to return to since every point of time is its own 'present'....

Dont know if that makes sense....
Sylar_Twin
QUOTE(EkEL8 @ Nov 7 2007, 06:39 AM) *
There shouldnt even be a 'present' time to begin with for Hiro to return to since every point of time is its own 'present'....

Dont know if that makes sense....


It does if you look at in a certain way, you can think of time travel as stepping through a door into another room, or better yet into another country. Where the time there is different, but when you look at your watch its your time, like episode 2 last season when Hiro was talking to the cops.

But I'm glad Hiro is back, and since he's back with Ando we should get some good Hiro moments, I missed those moments, but we probably won't get it for the moment because of his dad's death.
Keltor
QUOTE(GeneZ @ Nov 6 2007, 09:37 AM) *
...
maybe yaeko's father has a power?
he did make the sword with the symbol.
why would he make that sword with that specific symbol?
what does that mean!?

hmm...
and the way he looks.. he could've kept a secret. tongue.gif



Good point...he gave Takezo the sword as payment for protecting the village of Otsu, though Takezo had the symbol on his banner already, so it's a bit cloudy as to the origin of the symbol. It doesn't seem like he made the sword specifically for Takezo, though he might have.
Fraize
Hiro Is Gonna Be MIGHTY Peeved When He Finds Out It Was His Good Ol Chum Takezo Who Dumptacked His Father Off A Building. tongue.gif
comatose
i love it that their back together again. the reunite scene was adorable. but somehow i had a feeling that if hiro wants to go back into the past, he might bring ando along. and he'll probably make sure adam can never be seen on the face of the earth. i think hiro will be really angry when he finds out its adam and he will think that adam killed kaito because of hiro.

and i hope they will reveal the origin of the symbol before the season finale. cos its getting confusing.

adam was to be kensei, but hiro fractured time going back and changed history BUT the comics depicted kensei as a japanese warrior, not english. and if you remember correctly, yaeko did the painting of white beard's campsite. so i think the story of kensei that kaito used to tell hiro is indeed hiro himself. it was yako who spead the story of kensei and drew the comic of kensei. and maybe that why the story ended suddenly after he gave the dragon his heart. cos that's all that she know of.

and yaeko did say this, "as long as i have a voice, all shall know the story of the noble takezo kensei. the boy hiro nakamura will have tales to help him sleep."

that's what happened when he was a boy. maybe this is his destiny, and maybe this was the legacy that kaito was meant to pass down to him.
Fraize
QUOTE(comatose @ Nov 7 2007, 04:36 PM) *
i love it that their back together again. the reunite scene was adorable. but somehow i had a feeling that if hiro wants to go back into the past, he might bring ando along. and he'll probably make sure adam can never be seen on the face of the earth. i think hiro will be really angry when he finds out its adam and he will think that adam killed kaito because of hiro.

and i hope they will reveal the origin of the symbol before the season finale. cos its getting confusing.

adam was to be kensei, but hiro fractured time going back and changed history BUT the comics depicted kensei as a japanese warrior, not english. and if you remember correctly, yaeko did the painting of white beard's campsite. so i think the story of kensei that kaito used to tell hiro is indeed hiro himself. it was yako who spead the story of kensei and drew the comic of kensei. and maybe that why the story ended suddenly after he gave the dragon his heart. cos that's all that she know of.

and yaeko did say this, "as long as i have a voice, all shall know the story of the noble takezo kensei. the boy hiro nakamura will have tales to help him sleep."

that's what happened when he was a boy. maybe this is his destiny, and maybe this was the legacy that kaito was meant to pass down to him.


Hiro Did Not Change Time Since He Himself is Takezo kensei, if u understand that, then this becomes less confusing, the whole "cut out his heart" story is a metaphor, for the sacrifice Hiro had to make to return to his rightful place in time.
Archis
well, one things fr sure!
the symbol came from japan!

to be honest, i really found hiro kinda stupid in the reunion...(though i lvoed the chemistry and soon frgt abt my grudge!)
that was a tragic scence with princess and hiro and hiro again lost his love once again..
then later he's all happy and smiles and YATTAA..and compeltly frgt abt the lost love..he didnt even shed a sigle tear....
maxxann
QUOTE(Archis @ Nov 8 2007, 03:15 PM) *
well, one things fr sure!
the symbol came from japan!

to be honest, i really found hiro kinda stupid in the reunion...(though i lvoed the chemistry and soon frgt abt my grudge!)
that was a tragic scence with princess and hiro and hiro again lost his love once again..
then later he's all happy and smiles and YATTAA..and compeltly frgt abt the lost love..he didnt even shed a sigle tear....

It's because behind his frail body is a strong young man... kidding.
Maybe because he's always been focused on his mission. Besides, he's always in touch with reality (that he belongs in the future)
-sparky-
QUOTE(EkEL8 @ Nov 7 2007, 02:39 PM) *
There shouldnt even be a 'present' time to begin with for Hiro to return to since every point of time is its own 'present'....

Dont know if that makes sense....


That makes a great deal of sense!

Whilst your brain is cerfuddled, heres another thing to ponder...

Time travel will NEVER be invented.
Because if anyone in the future had invented time travel they would have travelled back
in time to prove it worked and we'd know about it!!
EkEL8
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 8 2007, 06:34 PM) *
That makes a great deal of sense!

Whilst your brain is cerfuddled, heres another thing to ponder...

Time travel will NEVER be invented.
Because if anyone in the future had invented time travel they would have travelled back
in time to prove it worked and we'd know about it!!


Not necessarily... they do have a working design (but till this date Lasers are just not powerful enough)... I don't remember how it really works, but basically you can only travel as far back as when the machine is first turned on... watched it on Discovery a few years back... haha.

E.g. You turn on the machine in 2008, assuming the machine is left on of course, ppl from anytime in the future can travel back as far as 2008. Of course if its turned off for any reason the chain is broken and will have to start from scratch..

Till that thing leaves the drawing board however.... Time travel will remain SF.. heheh.
Idontwannabeasuperhero
^^Is that the one that passes light backwards against itself? I read something about that ages ago but thought it was just New Scientist being typically optimistic. Something to do with passing light waves in two circles, going in opposite directions, which slows down time inside the circle?
-sparky-
QUOTE(EkEL8 @ Nov 8 2007, 11:50 AM) *
E.g. You turn on the machine in 2008, assuming the machine is left on of course, ppl from anytime in the future can travel back as far as 2008. Of course if its turned off for any reason the chain is broken and will have to start from scratch..


But thats the point...

With technology and inventions progressing with time, someone in the future who HAS invented a Time machine can then travel back and tell the people of (lets say) 2007 how to build a Time Machine... Therefore a Time Machine that only works inefficiently, like you have described, wouldn't exist because the Time Travellers from the future would travel back to tell them how to do it properly in the first place!!

My head hurts!
Richard Petrelli
I can see the season finale now... Hiro against Adam... with Peter not knowing who to help... and Sylar as Spock asking Maya and Alejandro to help him rehearse for Star Trek! tongue.gif
Archis
QUOTE
nd Sylar as Spock asking Maya and Alejandro to help him rehearse for Star Trek! tongue.gif


lol
but yea, i think so too...hiro vs. kaito killer
now that the finale is so near..only 4 more ep., i think that would be it!
i wonder wat it' be like to have 23 episodes.....12 more! sad.gif sad.gif
EkEL8
QUOTE(Idontwannabeasuperhero @ Nov 8 2007, 08:32 PM) *
^^Is that the one that passes light backwards against itself? I read something about that ages ago but thought it was just New Scientist being typically optimistic. Something to do with passing light waves in two circles, going in opposite directions, which slows down time inside the circle?


not too sure but in this case they keep reflecting the laser beams continuously in a cyllindrical Spring-like form

QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 8 2007, 09:17 PM) *
But thats the point...

With technology and inventions progressing with time, someone in the future who HAS invented a Time machine can then travel back and tell the people of (lets say) 2007 how to build a Time Machine... Therefore a Time Machine that only works inefficiently, like you have described, wouldn't exist because the Time Travellers from the future would travel back to tell them how to do it properly in the first place!!

My head hurts!


I so do not get you.... lol... nvm... we're here coz of Heroes... not Pop-sci. smile.gif
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