So for those who don't know, it was said that Kensei would also be known as Kane, although we haven't heard of it yet.
I've posted a similar message to this before but I had a new thought; since Tim Kring loves his biblical references -

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...&version=31

So we know Cain is immortal, and we know Kensei feels "cursed" already. But I was wondering, could the Godsend symbol be the "Mark of Cain"?
That might explain why it appears on the photos, as well as on his sword and a million other places (he's had enough time to spread it round...). Any thoughts?

Wow, that's neat thinking there. I'd love to see if that plays out.

... it begs the question of who is Abel, though.

And who is Eva?

If you remember... in the opeing of season 2, it showed Kensei holding a staff with the symbol on it - so the symbol goes back to the 1700's at least. Is the symbol Kensei's family crest - my guess.

Season 2 is def tying the present to Kensei's past... thing we have yet to see is how/where did Kensei get his "regeneration" abilities? I have said since last season that the mutation will end up being alien in origination. I told my 15 y/o that it was Kensei killing the current Heroes after Hiro's dad was murdered - he just looked at me and told me to quit guessing things, that it did not make any sense at all. When it showed Kensei/Adam last nite, I just smiled at him and told him "told ya so".

The whole gene mutation thing is very confusing to me... seems you have to have a lineage to the original mutation to have powers? I hope Kring makes this more clear soon.

Nate

You dont need to be an offspring of a person with powers to have powers of your own. It will occur most likely that you will, but you can evolve having powers without your parent's having any powers..

I think Kring has made it a point to show in Season one that those with powers in the present have them because of a relative. Nathan/Peter (their mom and dad are part of the ring/company). Claire (dad is offspring w/power + mom had powers). Micah (both mom and dad have powers). Matt (Dad part of the ring/company w/power). Hiro (dad was part of the ring/company). Molly (if I rem - Sylar/Gabriel stole powers from her dad and/or Mom). Monica (DL's niece/Micah's cousin). Some of the main characters are not clear where they get their powers, but most def Kring has established that it is genetic - thus the Suresh's involvement being genetic scientist + Mohinder is the narrator at the beginning of every episode. It may not be directly from the parents, but the mutated gene is in their family history somewhere.

What he has yet to do, and is about to do, is tie the past (Kinsei) to the present "Company" members and Adam, who is most def a descendent of Kensei.

Nate

isnt that obvious its hiro


well that is yeako or what ever her anme was the swordsmiths daughter lol

Yea, def Hiro has a huge part in everything. The real trippy part is the scrolls found in Kensei's katana from the 1700's had notes to Ando of present day from Hiro telling him how he had messed things up by time traveling, and had to stay and make history right. Were those scrolls in there when Ando/Hiro stole the sword from Linderman or did they "appear" in there after Hiro went back to Japan? The whole time jumping thing is hard to pull off in a storyline.

Yes maybe they have it in their gene but will they manifest?
Shanti had a power... Mohinder + parents dont. How come she had a power then ?

Cain and Abel eh....interesting theory but I don't know if I completely agree. There's too many holes and ALOT of stretching to make this one work.

I think the "Shanti" connection will be revisited soon - the current storyline does call the future Earth ravaging disease "the Shanti virus". Dr Suresh was killed off very early in season one after going to NYC. He prob went there because he knew someone in the "Company" and thought they could help Shanti - or perhaps he was part of the Company - or even founded it? I think this will become clearer as the season progresses (if it even gets a chance to b/c of writers strike).

About the relative thing, I don't see it. Certainly they like to tie everyones lives and powers together, but what about Mohinder's sister? She certainly didn't have a connection to anyone with powers. What about Niki/Jessica? Jessica was already there when her father beat her, unlikely he had any power, else Niki wouldn't be alive anymroe if her mother had, why didn't she protect her children?. What about Sylar or Maya and Alandro.

Also there was a list and not to forget a formula. You certainly don't have to have a parent or relative to have powers.

I think the symbol represents the 3 certain genes which open up the possibility for powers. It's on the book of Papa Suresh as well and the drawing from papa Hatian. Likely it is something "gods" use as a symbol of power granted to "mortals". Ofcourse, a TV series isn't going to give a religious explanation, maybe suggest it, make it something spiritual, but certainly not give an answer on it that only allows one explanation.

I agree completely
I would have said the same thing sort of

hmm i had a wild theory ahen i first saw the episode with Kansai's immortality.
and that was that Hiro can somehow give people powers... ( crap theory i know)
but just before kensai comes back to life hiro tells him that he cannot die...
and i'm sure hiro has done somethign similar in the past. must have been season 1 but i can't remember exactly what so it's probably just BS.

He cant give them powers !
It's just illogical that Hiro can give powers to someone else...
However I do see in the future if Heroes will still exist, that a person would be able to change people's DNA string in such ways that they'll be able to manifest powers.

True... but it doesn't have to be exactly Abel and Cain, just a thought about the similarities so far.

Now I have this stuck in my head though.

I think Kane will be a symbolic name.

First of all, different spelling
Second, Cain wasn't British
Third, Kensei was suprised when he survived the arrows in the chest. Someone who had lived that long would probably not had been suprised from surviving, he would have had worst than arrows with a life like that.
Fourth, we have four episodes left in Generations, no time for something like that.

Not to be completely argumentative, but you guys are contradicting yourselves about the "abilities" theory. The show has from the very first episode, been about genetics - and you get your genes from your parents and their parents etc etc...

None of these people just "woke-up" one day with powers - they were born with the "godsend" gene. It has become clear through the 2 seasons that some want to find a "cure" for the mutation, because some of the abilities are so destructive and can be abused by some that use them for the wrong reasons.

Nothing will be absolutely clear until Kring ties in where/how the mutation started. It is not so hard to think that a single mutation could be spread all over the World through the ages... people did marry and start to travel all over the World on ships and eventually planes - thus spreading the mutation. What was Kensei, a Englishman, doing in Futal Japan as a Warrior?

The symbol thus far has been traced back to Kensei on his staff/flag in Japan... was it a family crest perhaps... this should be answered soon.

Hahaha, they do this with every season, I remember that with LOST it was John and Joseph I think, the characters from the bible...

But the question still remains from me... How come Shanti had a power and Mohinder didnt and both their parents didnt had powers too?
You're saying that if you have a power at least 1 of your parents must have a power... Then explain this to me.. It's really simple when I read your explanation...

Sorry I am not very clear on my explanation.... We inherit 50% of our genes from each parent... all I am saying is the mutation is given by one (or both) of the parents. Their parents received their genes from both their parents... etc etc...

I know Kring has not made clear yet how either parent can be a "carrier" of the godsend gene, yet not possess any powers. I can't rem exactly, but I am sure Mohinder has explained that the gene can lie dormant for some generations, and manifest in other generations. Hope that makes more sense

All I was trying to point out is... the mutated gene has to be in your family "pool" of genes through the generations in order for you to have the gene. I do not think something like the "Company" went around infecting unknowing people with a mutated gene... which is really far-out... cause that kind of science has not been around long... def not in the 60's and 70's when the Company was formed.

SYMBOL THEORY: Still my guess: "The godsend symbol is the Kensei family crest. Adam - first man - man made in gods image - thus "of god" - or "God Sent".

CAIN & ABEL THEORY: Very simple... God made Adam in his own "likeness" thus Genesis says, then made him a helpmate in Eve. Adam and Eve begot Cain and Abel (Qayin (קין) and Havel (הבל)). Obviously Cain who slew Abel, retained the "Godsend/God Sent" gene. Since all mankind according to the Bible descended from Adam & Eve - this "Godsend" gene has been passed down to Modern day. The "Heroes" therefore are not mutants... they are "of God - or God Like" in nature - and should use these powers for "Good".

Thusly we have "Gabriel" the Archangel of God - also known as the "Angel of Death".

First time Gabriel appears in the King James bible:

Daniel 8:15-17
15 Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.”

So def Sylar is the Archangel of Death... Is he very Godlike tho? Are we to think he is doing the work of God? Prob not... I am sure Kring will ties everything together in the end.

So... we def see that Kring is using biblical story plots throughout "Heroes". Sorry for the long post

Cheers...
Nate

Well thx for your explanation. I understand what you're saying. So basically then, everyone has the gene to manifest a power, only some of them do manifest while others will never manifest to sum up your story (Hope I understood it right). It can take an eternity for a person of a long family line to manifest his/her powers but it could also become the next in line.

I THINK that it might be this way:
Im from sweden, so i dont know if some of these word even exists in english, but I'll try anyway.
When we studied genetics at school, we learned that some physical attrubutes, for example, deasises, can be inherited from your parents, and some deasises are dominant (it only takes one parent for you to inherit the same ability) and some are recessive (it means that you need to inherit this attribute from both parents for you to have it. If you dont, then you have it in your genes, but it will not show that you have this attribute. However, if you mate with someone that has the same attribute as you, but also doesnt have any sign of having it, your child may get the attribute).. hope you got it, it can be kinda hard to understand

I think I understand. You basically went deeper into what I summed up in my previous post
But then with details.

Maybe I've missed something but what power did Shanti have?

We know she dies from the/a virus but nowhere do I remember us being told she had any form of power...

where did they say that Adam is Kane? I don't recall the name Kane emerging in any of the episodes.. pls refresh my memory!!!
I don't think Tim Kring linked bible passages to his show, so I agree 100% with you that they are different.

besides, have you googled the name Adam Kane?
http://heroeswiki.com/Adam_Kane

He's a director for Heroes. It's like saying, Adam = Kane are one and the same. Though I don't recall hearing or reading the name Kane in the series...

Well, you can also get a disease spontaneously without having dominant or recessive genes from one or both of your parents. There are a host of diseases that are autosomal, which could explain the "Godsend" gene appearing without any signs of inheritance.

I think we/they are saying that Kring is loosely (or as a way to make the whole plot feasible) tying together the story so that it will link back to Adam/Eve - Cain/Abel story... They were surmising that the Godsend symbol represents "the mark of Cain" as told in Genesis. Kring most def uses Biblical references in Heroes. If you remember the very first episode was called Genesis. I don't think anyone is saying anyone is Cain/Kane - jus referencing the "mark" or Godsend symbol. So, along that reasoning... he names the current day Kensei, Adam - thats pretty biblical to me. Gabriel Gray is in the storyline - the "Angel of Death" - as was Gabriel the Archangel also represented in the Bible.

Nate

Now let's look at the following point, mutated gene, let's look that one up mutated

Why would there only be one mutation that caused the genes to appear? It's about mutation, so it doesn't have to be given by to someone by a parent. I believe as good as all people have somekind of mutation in their genes, just little chance that it shows in live.
Adam would had have to travel a lot to leave his "godsend" genes every where, without leaving traces of his british heritage. After 3 generations, traces of a foreign heritage can still be seen. And 400 years is not that long, if a gene has to spread over all the population of the world.
Also why do the powers start to manifest themselves so rapidly now? Chandra was talking about taking a new step into the evolution. Suddenly the genes of Adam all come together? I find that hard to believe, more mutation seems more likely. There's more radiation nowadays then there was 100 years ago.

Their might be a common source for the abilities, but I don't see how it could be just Adam.

I was referring to the Biblical Adam having the "original" Godsend gene - not Kensei in 1700's Japan. I would believe that by 1700's the gene would be very widespread among the Continents. When you think the whole plot of Heroes out... you have to know that Kring only has a few ways of explaining this gene - and since he has named this "symbol" the Godsend symbol very early on in the storyline... it all but precludes that he is bringing God into the picture - and God said Adam was first man, of his likeness.

This word "mutation" is used by Mohinder, since he is the scientist - thats the most logical explanation for the powers... too much "snack foods" in kids + man made pollutants. I think the original people at the Company know exactly what the "mutation" really is - and are using Mohinder to "heal" all the Heroes of their powers with his blood. I think Kring will make all this clearer very soon, now that Kensei/Adam is in the storyline.

Her powers didn't have time to manifest as the virus attacks the nervous system of the victim and disables their ability. We saw that with Molly at the end of season 1.