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Atheshar
The dominant theory going around seems to be that Adam used his regenerative abilities to heal Nathan's burns (a la his nightmare) after Peter exploded, and now Peter owes Adam a kind of debt for saving his brother. However Bob just told us that Adam only escaped the Company two weeks ago, whereas the explosion was four months in the past.

So was it Peter who healed Nathan, or is Bob lying, or what?
shanniee
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Nov 6 2007, 06:22 PM) *
The dominant theory going around seems to be that Adam used his regenerative abilities to heal Nathan's burns (a la his nightmare) after Peter exploded, and now Peter owes Adam a kind of debt for saving his brother. However Bob just told us that Adam only escaped the Company two weeks ago, whereas the explosion was four months in the past.

So was it Peter who healed Nathan, or is Bob lying, or what?

No one is sure yet except the people who work on Heroes.
My guess is, either Adam/Peter go to the past again and Adam heals Nathan with his blood or Peter travels alone and heals Nathan.
But I myself think its the first one...
MrJP
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Nov 6 2007, 06:22 PM) *
The dominant theory going around seems to be that Adam used his regenerative abilities to heal Nathan's burns (a la his nightmare) after Peter exploded, and now Peter owes Adam a kind of debt for saving his brother. However Bob just told us that Adam only escaped the Company two weeks ago, whereas the explosion was four months in the past.

So was it Peter who healed Nathan, or is Bob lying, or what?


Adam's powers are permanent, but Peter's healing powers aren't. So Adam's blood giving some regenerative powers is more likely than Peter's. Still it could also be Claire for all we know.

Or the theory (insider) is wrong. Maybe Nathan let go of Peter and flew away. Likely we'll find the answer next week.
shanniee
QUOTE(MrJP @ Nov 6 2007, 08:16 PM) *
Adam's powers are permanent, but Peter's healing powers aren't. So Adam's blood giving some regenerative powers is more likely than Peter's. Still it could also be Claire for all we know.

Or the theory (insider) is wrong. Maybe Nathan let go of Peter and flew away. Likely we'll find the answer next week.

Well he must have led him go, Insider didnt say anything about this.
Atheshar
Nathan letting go of Peter and flying away doesn't account for how Maury was able to reach inside his [Nathan's] head and find that burned version of himself from earlier.

Also Bob seems to think that Claire's regeneration can heal Niki of the virus. At some earlier point Claire even posited that her blood could be used to heal burns. Since Claire and Adam (appear to) share the same power, it seems more likely that Adam was responsible than that Claire was.

Just trying to reconcile that idea with the time difference. I mean, why make another time jump necessary if all the writers had to do was put the words "four months ago" instead of "two weeks ago" into Bob's mouth...
shanniee
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Nov 6 2007, 09:15 PM) *
Nathan letting go of Peter and flying away doesn't account for how Maury was able to reach inside his [Nathan's] head and find that burned version of himself from earlier.

Also Bob seems to think that Claire's regeneration can heal Niki of the virus. At some earlier point Claire even posited that her blood could be used to heal burns. Since Claire and Adam (appear to) share the same power, it seems more likely that Adam was responsible than that Claire was.

Just trying to reconcile that idea with the time difference. I mean, why make another time jump necessary if all the writers had to do was put the words "four months ago" instead of "two weeks ago" into Bob's mouth...

You mean if Bob didnt say 2 weeks ago, then the timejump would be useless? or what ?
KoR-evo
4 months is a long time..Adam may have escaped 2 weeks ago, but what was he doing, say, 3 months ago?

I don't believe that we know how long he was captive for.
beddall
how would peter use his power's to heal somoene else?
so far him and claire have only been able to heal themselves.
the only one with that sort of power was linderman.....who was apparently a 'student' of adam.
so i can only assume that either linderman is still somehow alive or that adam healed him somehow :S
KoR-evo
QUOTE(beddall @ Nov 6 2007, 08:42 PM) *
how would peter use his power's to heal somoene else?
so far him and claire have only been able to heal themselves.
the only one with that sort of power was linderman.....who was apparently a 'student' of adam.
so i can only assume that either linderman is still somehow alive or that adam healed him somehow :S

Technically it could be assumed that Adam's powers have extended..or 'evolved' over 'time' and he now has the power to heal others. A bit like Matt's baser ability has hidden rooms (extended powers), if you will.

Not cannon, but possible.
beddall
yeah. it would make sense that his power has evolved over time....
wonder how far that goes
shanniee
QUOTE(beddall @ Nov 6 2007, 09:50 PM) *
yeah. it would make sense that his power has evolved over time....
wonder how far that goes

I think Adam will have something to do with Nathan's burned face. But I do have to add that its still possible that Peter could have somehow with maybe Linderman's ability heal Nathan.
I wont go into how Peter obtained Lindermans power but im just saying that the theres a possibility although I think Adam healed Nathan.
chimps_n_pimps
why are we asuming that nathan had a burned face?

if he realy was in the nuke explotion, then he would have more than just a burned face.
also maury bought out his nightmare....so it could be just somthing that he was scared about. he may see himself as "scarred" because he let his brother 'die'.

and if nathan was never monster face, then he didn't need to be healed....did he?
shanniee
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 10:09 PM) *
why are we asuming that nathan had a burned face?

if he realy was in the nuke explotion, then he would have more than just a burned face.
also maury bought out his nightmare....so it could be just somthing that he was scared about. he may see himself as "scarred" because he let his brother 'die'.

and if nathan was never monster face, then he didn't need to be healed....did he?

Did u watched the preview? For a brief sec, you'll see Nathan's burned face and then later on healed.
lastxcallforsin
Adam's blood was used to heal Nathan. That doesn't necessarily mean Adam met Nathan. Adam was imprisoned at the time. The company or Peter could have attained a sample of his blood and used it to save Nathan.
chimps_n_pimps
ok


i' missed that, i'm going back to the preview!

RUN RABBIT RUN RUN RUN!
shanniee
QUOTE(lastxcallforsin @ Nov 6 2007, 10:19 PM) *
Adam's blood was used to heal Nathan. That doesn't necessarily mean Adam met Nathan. Adam was imprisoned at the time. The company or Peter could have attained a sample of his blood and used it to save Nathan.

I never said that Adam had to be at the scene wink.gif
You are right though. It is possible that Peter got a sample of his blood wink.gif
chimps_n_pimps
i just saw the preview, we dont see nathans burned face, just a close up of a burned face...am i missing somthing?
shanniee
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 10:32 PM) *
i just saw the preview, we dont see nathans burned face, just a close up of a burned face...am i missing somthing?

I will say the same thing in the other thread where you said the same thing tongue.gif
Nathan has the burned face, you confirmed that yourself, but have Maury and Nathan met eachother?
Highly unlikely, possible but unlikely. So the burned face couldnt be a nightmare, but what could it be?
comatose
guess we'll find out next week. cant wait!

i think maury is able to read your mind, find out your greatest regret and use it against you. or something like that. he has used the people that relates to them the most. like nathan and the burnt face, which related to peter. niki and dl, and he used bob too to convince niki more so she'll kill bob. but i guess he lost it with his own son when he said he loved matt. thats what matt used against him, he regretted leaving matt and he never fought for something he loves, but for other reasons. thats my take on this. matts love for molly gave him strength althought he said he could never do the things maury is able to do, like nightmares. now i dont know if i'm making any sense.
shanniee
QUOTE(comatose @ Nov 7 2007, 11:22 AM) *
guess we'll find out next week. cant wait!

i think maury is able to read your mind, find out your greatest regret and use it against you. or something like that. he has used the people that relates to them the most. like nathan and the burnt face, which related to peter. niki and dl, and he used bob too to convince niki more so she'll kill bob. but i guess he lost it with his own son when he said he loved matt. thats what matt used against him, he regretted leaving matt and he never fought for something he loves, but for other reasons. thats my take on this. matts love for molly gave him strength althought he said he could never do the things maury is able to do, like nightmares. now i dont know if i'm making any sense.

Well maybe not against the innocent but I think if he's being attacked he will use it for defensive purposes only.
Thran
QUOTE(lastxcallforsin @ Nov 6 2007, 10:19 PM) *
Adam's blood was used to heal Nathan. That doesn't necessarily mean Adam met Nathan. Adam was imprisoned at the time. The company or Peter could have attained a sample of his blood and used it to save Nathan.


Did he really say imprisoned?
Maybe he could do what he want and just had people around who watched him 24/7.

Very unlikely though...
Tarkana
well...episode 7, at the scene Peter/Angela , She told Peter: "You can move objects with your mind, HEAL, you can paint the future" so..
SleepingPhoenix
QUOTE(Thran @ Nov 7 2007, 08:35 AM) *
Did he really say imprisoned?
Maybe he could do what he want and just had people around who watched him 24/7.

Very unlikely though...


Usually when you say you "threw away the key," (quote from Bob) that implies some sort of imprisonment. even as a metaphor.
dharmafollower
I thought that Nathan flew into the sky and dropped peter as peter can fly also.

However can Peter produce more than one ability at a time? or maybe this is something he can learn to do

On another theory what is Peter and Nathan's Mum ability? Can be she had something to do with bringing Peter to the company and healing nathans face.

Also do we know why Nathan is no longer living with his family?

I am a little confused maybe next week will explain more
jeff2hogan
QUOTE(dharmafollower @ Nov 7 2007, 01:51 PM) *
I thought that Nathan flew into the sky and dropped peter as peter can fly also.


Based on the preview for the eighth episode, I don't think Nathan dropped Peter deliberately. Either it was an accident or Peter made him let go.
blasua
probably was claire, thats why bob asked mohinder to find her in order to help nikki
boogerface
QUOTE(Tarkana @ Nov 7 2007, 12:08 PM) *
well...episode 7, at the scene Peter/Angela , She told Peter: "You can move objects with your mind, HEAL, you can paint the future" so..



I think she meant to HEAL himself which he already demonstrated. Not heal others.
Mr Ben
Nathan's face looked pretty healed though. I mean, when you burn yourself and a scar is left, it's not possible to heal a scar. I'm sure that, had linderman still be alive, he couldn't heal any scar.

It may just be some kind of emotional trauma or guilt manifesting itself in the mirror. The fact that Peter was nuclear, means that Nathan would have got much more than a burn. He would have died in any shockwave after Peter's explosion and probably would have developed cancer by now.
EterniCode
QUOTE(radiantcool @ Nov 10 2007, 12:34 AM) *
so just keep your silly crackpot theories to a minimum


O_O are you serious?? This community thrives on silly crackpot theories!
Richard Petrelli
Haha, these are interesting theories, and my theories have already been said, haha, but next week's episode seems so exciting x_x Let's hope it's not like the S1 finale... all that excitement for nothing...

So, tongue.gif here's to hopin'!
Atheshar
QUOTE(radiantcool @ Nov 9 2007, 09:34 PM) *
who said that adam could heal others??? We only know that he healed himself. And we also don't know whether he can travel through time yet!!! so just keep your silly crackpot theories to a minimum


er... well.

"Who said adam could heal others?"
No one. But Bob did suggest that Claire could heal others. Claire proposed it herself at one point. As far as I can tell, Adam and Claire have the same abilities, so it seems logical that Adam can heal others.

"we also don't know whether he can travel through time yet"
True. I personally don't think he can. However we do know that Peter can, so it's possible that Peter would take him back through time to heal Nathan. I don't think it's likely, but that's what I was referring to.

Now that I think on it, Adam could very well have been used to heal Nathan while he was still imprisoned. I kind of assumed they'd keep him more locked down, but it didn't look like that in the preview, so maybe Bob just made use of available resources. Kind of makes more sense.

But hey... I'll know in 2 days I suppose smile.gif
Mr Ben
But why would Adam heal Nathan and then try and kill his mother? Doesn't add up.
Snowdon
Could it be possible that Adam is an epath, it would explain a lot?
Mr Ben
I think that would ruin it and how would he get his regenerative abilities? Peter got his from Claire.
matty
omg are people so blind to what goes on in this show. has no-one thought that peter may have got lindermans ability, (as linderman was a friend of the family he must have met him) as we have seen he doesnt need to see an ability to be able to use it, or else when he had no memory of any powers he wouldnt have been able to use them. other than that it must be another hero with the healing power, i doubt very much that it has to do with the blood of someone who can regenerate.
Mr Ben
Yeah so while Nathan was carrying the radioactive Peter, Peter managed to heal him as he exploded....right. Nice one.
EterniCode
QUOTE(matty @ Nov 11 2007, 12:36 PM) *
omg are people so blind to what goes on in this show. has no-one thought that peter may have got lindermans ability, (as linderman was a friend of the family he must have met him) as we have seen he doesnt need to see an ability to be able to use it, or else when he had no memory of any powers he wouldnt have been able to use them. other than that it must be another hero with the healing power, i doubt very much that it has to do with the blood of someone who can regenerate.


Peter would have had to have met him after his (Peter's) powers had manifested...which, to the best of our knowledge, was shortly before S1 started. And from the way Nathan and Peter talked about Linderman in S1, I got the feeling it was more "Dad's friend" than a friend of the family.

But I agree, using Claire's blood to heal someone doesn't really make much sense.

QUOTE(Mr Ben @ Nov 11 2007, 01:05 PM) *
Yeah so while Nathan was carrying the radioactive Peter, Peter managed to heal him as he exploded....right. Nice one.


I think they meant after the explosion....since the previews for next epi show that Nathan dropped Peter before the boom. Nathan gets severe radioactive exposure, manages to live through it with serious scarring, and the company somehow manages to heal him, is the theory everyone's working off of in this case.
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