lets hear people's views on them.

Deffently Sylar, he is mean and twisted all the way inside!

To be honest......probably Adam/Kensei because he has been around for so long he's seen what works and what doesn't work.

He also is probably wise and can read people like an open book....maybe lol

Adam can heal yes......but in the long run I guess that's the best power you COULD have.

Don't get me wrong I LOVE Sylar. But Sylar had to kill for his powers while Adam/Kensei was born with them. And he must be some bad a** if The Company is afraid of him.

i prefer sylar's motives for being bad. it's always some crazy reason like 'being special' that makes a villain truely twisted and with sylar there is the creepy ticking noises that makes me shiver lol
i do like Adam though but i mean it's a bit stupid to keep a 400 year old grudge just because you got your heart broken... i mean get over it i suppose after all that time there are other reasons for him being evil that will explain why he's killing people. i want to see more of both of them.

Adam for sure atm...
If you cant die... you will have no fear... meaning you will be one powerfull person and you wont worry about anything

i picked adam right now only because to me sylar was "last year's" villain and adam/kensei is in a pissy mood right now...i don't think any of us would have thought he could be a bad guy since he was always cheerful, calling hiro "carp"...etc...so now seeing him in a totally different mood is great and it works.

agreed Adam is the new villain of the year !

you might say that but Sylar is winning at the moment lol.

Edit; haha as soon as i said that, more people voted for adam.

Actually, here's an interesting question: Can Adam be Sylared?

It seems that Adam's powers are greater than Claire's in that he can completely regenerate despite being turned into mush, seeing has how he survived getting blown up in Japan.

Exactly. So Sylar is powerless against Adam... what else can Sylar do besides holding him telekinetically??
Adam is the new villain, people will say this after the end of the season (I think )

adam is totally a better villan because he could be a villan for the rest of eternity unless they find a way to kill him whereas sylar will eventually grow old and die

i agree with what your saying that sylar can't harm adam but then again ..adam can't really harm sylar (unless he has another power besides immortality). They will be even until Adam outlives sylar.

Where it says "right now", read "for the last 400 years".
Sylar is a scarier person so far, I think. Adam is definitely more threatening at the moment though - I'm voting Sylar until we see more of Adam. But my mind is slowly changing... I never thought that would happen.

As much as i like SYLAR i had to vote for ADAM because he is more interesting

Adam doesnt have to do anything.. He will outlive Sylar... what can Sylar do ? except taking an ability which goes against his aging...

I thought Sylar had the power that he understood how things work, which is an awesome power, because first of all you understand your own power. Still there have to be some limits to this power, else they never could have trapped him, cause he would understand the trap. Also he would already have figured out the formula from Chandra Suresh.
So maybe I was mistaken about that, but I'm quite sure it was said somewhere in the series.


Now I like Adam a bit better, because he has quite a human side to him. Certainly he was always of poor morale, but he is one of the few characters who can relax a bit and joke arund a bit. He isn't 100% of the time focussed on saving the world, surviving or becoming more powerfull. Now ofcourse we don't know what he's like after the incident with Hiro.
Sylar certainly is cunning and smart, but Adam has more experience, especially when it comes to long-term-planning, I mean what else could he be doing?

Step 1. Hold him telekenetically
Step 2. Throw him into wet cement telekenetically
Step 3. Freeze top of cement to stop him from escaping.
Step 4. Point and laugh

He only used that power on metal, but that might not be its limit. Imagine how strong he'd be if he could change anythings' state of matter

I don't think Adam's power is necessarily the same as Claire's. Infact, he could quite simply be immortal. After all, he hasn't aged in 400 years, wheras Claire is still getting older.

He's definately got potential to be a bit of a badass - especially if he gets Peter onside. That's not a bad combo.

Sylar is probably the more evil though, as he just craves power.

We saw him regen though. Had it only been immortality, he would be walking around with arrow hole...actually, he'd be a living pile of ash

Yea
Adam doesnt have to do anything against Sylar... If Sylar held Adam in TK mode then Adam just had to wait 50 years or so since Sylar will just die of age.
Whereas Adam didnt had to do anything except just have patience.. and we can clearly say that after 400 years he still has a grudge against Hiro and waited all those time..

i understand that he does have grudges against hiro. but what's the story with the elders? did he killed kaito because of hiro? and bob did say linderment was adam's disciple. lindermen worked closely with angela. so who side is angela on now? why is she being attacked? anyways, sorry for hijacking your thread. i'm just dying to get some answers.

sylar was mean. he twist and turn and his greed to have all the powers and his wittiness made his the best villian last season. but if to compare who is worse, in season one i do remember molly saying that she cant find one man and that man is worse than sylar. which turns out to be maury. so since maury is under adam, i think adam is by far worse than sylar. i think we will only be ble to find out in the next few episodes.

sylar manipulates the people around him to get what he wants and then he kills them off. adam on the other hand, convince people around him to do what he thinks is right and they work together. he's like an immortal version of hitler. but i have yet to know his cause of actions. till then i still think he might have a good cause that the elders just dont believe or agree with.

Sylar for sure!!
Im just dying for the moment when Sylar gets to know that theres a "Claire" clone walking around for 400 years!,
He'll be all like "I want your power"!!

Though i dunno if ADAM can get SYlared,I would love it if some thing like this is tried by Sylar
Adam saying"Its not fair,Is it??"

Well i think the whole Adam with the elders thing is that...well to be honest, i don't think it has anything to do with Hiro. Adam wants revenge on the company...there are several spoilers suggesting that the company performed experiments on adam, etc

I still think Adam is a better villain than Sylar. Due to the fact that he has been a hero. He's more of a fallen hero now, which can be better developed than Sylar. And Sylar lost his abilities just made him weaker than ever.

Adam on the other hand, has lived for 400 years and now should enough about human's mind and therefore could be the most unpredictable character yet

Sylar would probably still be the fan favourite as Adam is still underdeveloped. I'm for Adam as he is much too powerful and has an uncanny shrewdness for evil. Sylar is merely a pawn in this game as he is at war with himself for not having powerful abilities other than intuitive aptitude but he has the potential to switch sides perhaps later on as he doesn't seem that evil to me.

Definately Adam! His is wiser, smarter and much more than Sylar will ever be.

Sylar only goes around looking for more powers to get so he can be more special killing people that he thinks they are not "special enough" to hold their powers.

As a sidenote: Adam has the immortality power, not regeneration like claire.
That means that no matter how many times Sylar would try to kill him, Adam would always come back.

I could see a scene in front of my eyes where sylar is using tons of coffee mugs on Adam while he is laughing himself sick.

It was also stated before that Adam has also more than one power.
Even if he would be immortal only, he still can use a samurai sword VERY well(snip, snip sylar...).

I voted for Sylar.

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Here's a thing though. I thought they over-hyped Maury a lot in season 1.

We have that amazing piece of scene in season 1. "He can see me." Which, I think it's safe to say that it led many to believe, referred to as the new big baddie in season 2.

In season 2, clearly, he isn't the big baddie. Adam is. And maybe...just MAYBE, Molly said "He's worse than the boogeyman" just because Maury can directly scare Molly to death without even having to be near her. Maybe this doesn't necessarily mean that Maury > Sylar in terms of overall nastiness or abilities.

So, to say that since Adam > Maury and Maury > Sylar, then Adam > Sylar is a bit simplifying things a lot, don't you think? (And "Heroes" is a complicated show)

This also goes the same for Adam's "regeneration" from the explosion. Now, yes...based on physics, if he's inside that tent and it explodes, his body should explode to pieces and his head should be severed from his body, but I've learned to know better. In shows like these, it's better to suspend disbelief until you are shown a scene confirming your hunches or you are thrown a line where we can directly infer "that doing so will kill me."

This leads me to believe that maybe, Adam had to go through the pain of getting exploded upon by the gunpowder, but since we did not see his head severed from his body, we can assume that he was just heavily damaged but his head and body remained intact, that's why he was able to regenerate. Claire was able to grow her toe back, so Adam may be able to grow back his lost limbs.

BUT in season 1, we saw that Claire was Sylared (5 years gone). Peter remained dead/unable to regenerate with a shard of glass stuck in his head. In the latest episode, Peter electrocuted Adam's hands and it did sustain damage, albeit for a brief time. You can infer from here that once Sylar slices off Adam's head open, the wounds won't regenerate IMMEDIATELY making him susceptible for death/defeat.

If we're going a bit further out there, I say if Sylar knows or deduces something like what happened to Peter in season 1 (remaining "dead" as long as there's a shard of glass stuck in the brain), there is a big chance he can kill Adam. And Sylar is intuitive and sick enough to find ways to kill/hurt/damage people.

This is, of course, assuming Adam's ONLY power is cell regeneration. If he has other abilities at his disposal, it may be a hard fight.

Another thing, I don't get the whole "Adam's power is just like Claire's but a lot more advanced making him immortal OMG!" speculation. The best speculation we could have is that his cell regeneration is faster than Claire's. Fast enough to prevent the body from aging making him immortal, but not immune to damage. Tim Kring has stated time and again that "it's all in the brain" and there has been no indication that spontaneous regeneration means that you are impervious to damage. It just means that you sustain damage, but you heal back.

2 cents. Thanks.

Anyway, for overall nastiness, Sylar takes the cake. Adam will kill 93% of the world's population because he thinks it's the right thing to do to punish the humankind. Sylar will kill you just because he wants to, or he wants your brain.
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Adam is definately worse!

Adam doesn't need to fight Sylar. He's got Peter Remember he's a visionary and he uses people. I bet Sylar can't stand up well to the likes of Maury Parkman. While Sylar has some twisted, personal, insubstantial goal of being 'special', Adam has spent the last 400 years brewing, slowly developing his unscrupulous and unyielding way of thinking to the point of gigantic prophecies and revelations to destroy the entire 'evil' in the whole of mankind. Anyone who thinks themselves of a god and acts that way too has my vote

Oh wait...I re-read the poll. It asks who will make the better bad guy. I still think it's Sylar.

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If you're asking who will win, for the time being and depending on the mood of the writers, it depends. Right now, Sylar is being treated as an "in the rough, has-been, powerless" villain and Adam is the sophisticated, god-delusional type. This makes me think that had he (Adam) met Sylar now (or even if Sylar had his abilities intact), he'd own Sylar probably through experience since he has Maury at his disposal or with experience, probably GOAD Sylar into doing stupid s*** he'd never do if he had powers. BUT assuming Adam only has cell regeneration as his power, my opinion still stands that Sylar will eventually own Adam if the writers decide to develop his character to a more sophisticated type. I even think the reason why Sylar was downpowered this season was to pave way for Adam because if Sylar was still at large with his powers, he would still seem more menacing than Adam.

Maury is a good choice of opponent against Sylar since he can trap Sylar in his nightmare. BUT with writer's power, it is possible to break free of this. Matt did this since he's also a mind-manipulator (I use this term now because clearly, Matt's powers does not encompass mind-reading alone). Nathan was able to talk Nikki down from her nightmare, so I guess with enough concentration (and the writers' blessing, of course ), people can get out of Maury's illusion.

Now in Heroes, Peter is was not labeled as "the most powerful of all" by his mother for nothing. He's the most powerful clearly because he has the potential to absorb the abilities of the others and use it at his disposal. Sylar can do this too. He can use multiple abilities. He's only a step back from Peter because he needs to use force and create a fuss when he's taking an ability. He can FAIL to take an ability if the brain gets too damaged or his prey escapes whereas Peter just needs to get near someone to absorb it, but the message is clear. Multiple abilities > All others. What's Adam going to do once Sylar gets his abilities back and decides NOT to follow Adam anymore and do whatever he wants?
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Now if you're talking about plain opinion, "who's a better bad guy?", then it's subjective. It's a toss-up between ruthless, maniacal, heartless and greedy killer (Sylar) or the sophisticated, experienced, seemingly-unstoppable, god-delusional manipulator (Adam).

i was thinking the same thing! adam has his posse but sylar goes alone. in a way i like people who goes alone instead of in groups. but the way adam thinks of himself as a god is very....disturbing. i couldnt imagine what he would do.

kill 93% of the world's population.

Adam and Sylar are both major villains. That is something we all agree on.
Sylar has his own ways of being utter evil.
Same goes for Adam. In the end, it all depends on the situation what the writers want to do with them. But sine the strike is on, we wont see or hear anything about this

this sucks. how could they leave us hanging like this.

i know! just when they start to give us answers, everything stops

I've got to say no-ones pointed out the whole 'slyar takes their brains to take their powers' thing. Chandra Suresh told him that all the powers were controlled by the brain, and when he took the first guys power he could see something wasnt right in his brain.
So we can assume that if he was to take Clare/Adam/Peters regeneration he would have to take their brain(or do whatever he does with the brain, im assuming he fries it in the colonels secret recipe) and would then have their ability.
Now when Clare had the branch sticking into her head, and Peter had the shard of glass, they both remained dead, so we can also assume that their power IS definitely related to having their brain remain intact. So if Sylar removes the brain they cannot pose any threat to him, and I guess the same would go for adam monroe too.

However.... I'm gonna mention that I think Adam still has some tricks up his sleeve. Bob showed the article about miami having snow, and said it could've read that there was a tsunami if adam had wanted it to. Whether or not Adam himself did this or used someone else has his tool is not made clear, but if Sylar can work out how to steal powers the first time he meets someone 'special', then maybe Adam could've over 400 years.

I'm not sure who I prefer, it's still too early to call for me - but I think i'm gonna go for Adam purely because he's a fellow Brit and made good on our reputation by being drunk in the first episode of the series.

But sine the strike is on, we wont see or hear anything about this

what strike?

adam is the new hitler.

1. I did. Did you read my post before posting your opinion? We have similar observations.

2. There's a huge-as$ link on top of this site that says "HEROES ENDING ON DEC 3". Go read it.

what i meant was that everyone is saying that sylar cant do anything to adam as he can regenerate, and no-one had pointed out that all sylar has to do is cut out his brain and adam cant regenerate.

A few pointers to the discussion since it goes back and forth about sylar killing adam, peter and so on.....

- Adam is immortal so sylar actually can't kill him since Adam doesn't just regenerate like Claire (It's a different power).

- If Sylar would had killed peter, he would be able to get only the main ability of peters (Empathic Mimicry) and nothing else.

- In the beginning, they intented to make a Mentor/Apprentice relationship between Adam and Sylar.
In that part of the storyline, Candices story would had obviously be left to what it was and she would appear in more episodes together with Sylar (probably as a pair or team).
It was early after the first season ended that they spoiled those things and it was said that sylar would kill adam only to get surprised by adam (called Kane back then) ressurecting himself in front of sylars eyes again (Immortality).

However, since they changed this Adam/Sylar/Candice storyline to a totally different one and Candice had to be written off, the whole plot plays a other way now.

Because of all of this, Sylar ended up with the twins while Adam has other things to do and ended up with Peter.

Maury worked for Adam as his "weapon" and even Linderman appeared to have other plans than Adam, Bob still mentioned in the last episode that Linderman was a disciple of Adams.

So in my opinion, they messed up the show for good due to the various writers they have for various episodes that obviously have no clue how the story should go further due to the several changes that takes place the whole time according on hype and popularity of several characters. -.-

Even the Actors and Actresses already had mentioned that it was kinda difficult to work on the set in the beginning because they got their scripts they had to play like the same day they had to work or a day before so they partially didn't had a clue what's going on with their characters and if they will get killed today or not looking on the "wall of death" that is on the set.... -.-

So for us it's a "wait and see" how things will work out at the end and if we are lucky enough that the strike will end soon, than maybe we will get the chance to get all our questions answered in case that the show cleans up the mess they created. If the strike goes on, than we will obviously either will have to wait another year or won't get the questions answered at all.

I did point it out, didn't I?(albeit not in the same words as yours) Or you missed the point of my entire post? We even had the same example about the shard of glass being stuck in Peter's head.

Raekon,

By the term "immortal", we don't necessarily know how the writers define it. In the series "Highlander", the main characters are immortal, but you can kill them by cutting their heads off. Now until Kring or any credible source from the group of writers would say that "No, Adam won't die even if you cut his head off or take his brain out. That's how 'immortal' he is." then, I would still like to stick to the general assumption in S1. No brains/head cut off/blown off = dead hero. We're not entirely sure here if by immortal, they meant "un-killable" or "does not die due to aging, but can still be killed through other means".



Adam regenerates. Just like Claire. I don't get why people are saying that Adam has a different power. when it has been shown time and time again (at least, until the most recent episode) that Adam probably has an advanced form of regeneration that is why he does not grow old.



Yeah, that is true. What is your point here? My point in my post was that only Sylar and Peter exhibited the ability to use multiple abilites and that Sylar was only behind Peter by a step because Peter only needs to be near a hero to absorb abilities whereas Sylar can't do that without killing/examining the brain of the hero.



I know of the Adam-Sylar mentor-student relationship that was spoiled last season but I have never read a rumor saying that Sylar would try and kill Adam but won't succeed since Adam is immortal.

Bottomline is, just decides to kill Adam without "looking into" him, fine. Adam has a chance.

The only important questions are these:

1. Is it impossible to cut off Adam's head or open up his head since we are to assume that his regeneration is super-fast that any inflicted wound heals immediately the second after it is made? (This would make severing Adam's head from his body or opening/sylaring his head impossible since he heals so fast.) - I've yet to see this. 400 years has passed and it has been shown that Adam still sustains damage and just regenerates. It's not like Peter shot him the bolt and nothing happened. He still got fried but his hand just healed back. So, the question is....when he is being sylared, does it immediately heal back even if Sylar is still on the process of cutting his head open or it only heals back when Sylar STOPS TK-slicing his head open?

(Remember in season 1, Peter only regenerated his scar in the head when Sylar stopped to look that Peter was generating. If Sylar continued cutting his head open, he would have likely succeeded)

2. If you remove Adam's head or brain, do you also remove his powers? - I firmly believe that "it's all in the brain", or else we won't have this whole dabbling into meta-genetics by Suresh so...if Adam still survives without his brain, then where does every other heroes' power come from?

AGAIN, this is only with regard to "who's powerful" question, but obviously, "who's a better villain?" is a vague-er question and is pretty much subjective.

I really think that Adam is the new 'bad guy'. Not just taking into account all that's happened; having done everything (I suspect he was also the person who killed Kaito Nakamura considering there was no other body found, I mean he regenerates) he has; he ought to be the worst of them all.

Surprisingly this would mean that Adam wasn't the Kensei mentioned in the stories of Kensei.

Hiro really mucked up there; but that was how the whole timeline went; that Hiro was the 'Takezo Kensei' that he read about as a boy. So, that would mean that Adam would've been a problem all along, and only having been revealed to us now; it makes me feel like I've missed alot.

Back to subject; Adam also may not have ever met Peter before (if he does in future flashback episodes; I don't read spoilers), and if they had; they may have actually been enemies.

So; I would say that Adam is a new bad guy considering that if he HAD been enemies with Peter before; he is manipulating him. But then again; the note that Adam left for Peter DID seem pretty friendly if you ask me. Hmmm... >_>


Oh; and also, Adam's power; I would say, IS different to Claire's.
Consider this; Adam lived for that entire time period, he is IMMORTAL; he didn't die.
But; Claire would eventually pass away of age as her power is only cellular regeneration.

So; my main point is, Adam's power is immortality, Claire's is cellular regeneration; there IS a difference.

Also; I'd like to point out; didn't that soldier, when Adam (as Kensei) attacked Blackbeard's camp, stab Adam in the heart? It may have been just underneath.

But also; Claire does technically die; when the wooden steak was stuck in her brain; her eyes dimmed. She 'died' and came back to life.
An organism is declared dead or non-living when they are no longer able to do seven things:

Movement
Respiration
Sensitivity
Growth
Reproduction
Excretion of Waste
Nutrients

Claire doesn't breathe when she is in this state; so she's technically dead. Adam also; dies in this sense; but to a lesser extent; he doesn't die as easily and doesn't 'die' in some of the situations in which Claire would.

voted for sylar, he has many abilities and cool villain.

Couldn't it be something like, Adam SEEMS immortal because his cellular regeneration is so advanced that he does not seem to age? I mean, any comic-book fanboy would know that this is the case for Wolverine. Sure, Heroes is different from X-men, but still, it's a similar power. Who are we to say that Claire won't reach that same level if she evolves her power? (Case in point: The whole "evolution" theme and Matt evolving his powers).

The question still stands. In the episode "5 years gone", Sylar was able to kill Clair even with her regeneration by slicing her head open. Now, if Adam can withstand that...if he can still live without a brain, then, he is indeed immortal.

Sylar for me too. Adam has a tinge of goodness. Sylar is pure evil

there was a good side to him, but i doubt we'll ever see that again.

Different types of evil are hard to compare well, for example some might think that adam being so old would be wise.

Well somone who proclaims himself as a god is actually showing himself to be naive and selfish, somone like that could easily be led or tricked.

I just remembered something.

In terms of being a villain as in murdering lots of people, Adam > Sylar.

Remember how in Season 1, Sylar even called Mohinder to help stop him from blowing up New York (since he thought he'll be the exploding man)? Sylar doesn't want to commit genocide (even if it's just .07% of the world's population). He just kills whoever it is necessary to kill. Whereas Adam is fine with killing 93% of the world's population. So I guess Adam gets major points there.

Sylar looks more menacing though.

That is a very good point, though I've read his power is immortality; you're theory makes the point clear; he's power maybe advanced in that sense; though I would still say it is very different; and in '5 Years Gone' who is to say that Sylar didn't just shove something in Claire's head; but it DID look like he didn't.



Your point about Sylar's innocence makes a lot of sense; I think though, that he might just want to kill everyone anyway; even though he rang Mohinder, he wants to absorb Maya's power. He might have the excuse that 'These people don't deserve these powers', but he seemed a lot more keener on using the power for bad as well. Didn't he also say that he'd kill Alejandro as well when he was declaring that he'd kill Maya for her power?

I'm sure the writers are smart enough and make Adam's power immortal and Claire could just regenerate. I mean, Adam had lived for more than 400 years yet he looks the same. If the show goes on, Hayden is going to grow old and looks different.

They can just get a new actress to act as "young Claire" in order to portray that she doesn't age. Christopher Lambert and Adrian Paul visibly ages during the entire course of the Highlander series/movies but they are still "immortal"