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chimps_n_pimps
IMORTAL?


he met adam....so now he can never die......add time travel to that, and peter is now the most powerfull guy ever.....

thoughts?
comments?
opinions?
nick0779
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 12:41 PM) *
IMORTAL?
he met adam....so now he can never die......add time travel to that, and peter is now the most powerfull guy ever.....

thoughts?
comments?
opinions?



Next week should explain a lot about everything that has happened in the last four months. If sylar slices off their heads and takes their powers, can they die then?
beddall
well, technically...he couldn't die after meeting claire....as we have seen when sylar killed him.
so him meeting adam doesnt really change much in my view....unles adam had some new powers he's gained through the years??
chimps_n_pimps
i have a feeling that claire and adam have diferent powers, and this will be important in fuure episodes, with all the healing that will be necesary for the virs, there has to be a twist in the regeneration abilities
Admiralkirk
QUOTE(nick0779 @ Nov 6 2007, 03:44 PM) *
Next week should explain a lot about everything that has happened in the last four months. If sylar slices off their heads and takes their powers, can they die then?



Adam/Kensei did tell Hiro to cut of fhis head to kill him. Hiro probably did not think this to be a literal suggestion at the time, but it may be significant.
rashktah
The thing is... if Parkman was able to increase his powers in a short time, how powerful could a man like Kensei/Adam bekome over the centuries?
colkat
Surely adams power is he does not age - as well as being able to regenerate.. this is what makes him different to clairebear...
chimps_n_pimps
exactly colkat!

the centuries of practice added to the never aging thing has made it way imporant that peter met and absorbed adam
shanniee
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 10:06 PM) *
exactly colkat!

the centuries of practice added to the never aging thing has made it way imporant that peter met and absorbed adam

Maybe... Peter immortal now... that is just tooo overpowered now. I think they'll make it somehow that Adam is very unique in the powered people race. His power isnt in his DNA strings or something. Just a thought although very very unlikely wink.gif
chimps_n_pimps
i can see where your coming from, but if it wasnt in his dna, then that makes mohinders whole super-scientist status realy quetionable.

i think that the writers will have to deal with the fact that peter is imortal now.....
on another note, i think peter will end up evil, and this would o a long way to help that theory
shanniee
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 10:17 PM) *
i can see where your coming from, but if it wasnt in his dna, then that makes mohinders whole super-scientist status realy quetionable.

i think that the writers will have to deal with the fact that peter is imortal now.....
on another note, i think peter will end up evil, and this would o a long way to help that theory

Yea, but there are always unique people even between the unique wink.gif
Adam is one of those is what I think. He cant die but you cant absorb his power.
chimps_n_pimps
i love that theory, even in the unique there are unique!

well it would be nice to c a villian who is beyond the reach of peter.


EDIT: just saw the preview aain...we dont c nathan burned, just a close up on a burned face...
shanniee
QUOTE(chimps_n_pimps @ Nov 6 2007, 10:23 PM) *
i love that theory, even in the unique there are unique!

well it would be nice to c a villian who is beyond the reach of peter.
EDIT: just saw the preview aain...we dont c nathan burned, just a close up on a burned face...

Which would indicate that he got burned as he didnt met Maury at the time or vica versa.....
Greyhound
Everyone is assuming that Claire ages and that Claire and Adams powers are different. Am I mistaken or is Adam a middle aged man? Claire is a teenager. What is to say that Claire will quit aging once she gets to her mid 20s?

I think their powers could be identical.

Either way, Peter is the most powerful being on the planet in this show.
shanniee
QUOTE(Greyhound @ Nov 6 2007, 10:32 PM) *
Everyone is assuming that Claire ages and that Claire and Adams powers are different. Am I mistaken or is Adam a middle aged man? Claire is a teenager. What is to say that Claire will quit aging once she gets to her mid 20s?

I think their powers could be identical.

Either way, Peter is the most powerful being on the planet in this show.

Peter the most powerfull in this show is a fact...
Claire and Adam's powers identical?
Discussable, but once the regeneration manifests it should potentially go against aging as aging is damaging your cells right?
So that would mean that she wont age but maybe she wont. We dont know what her power is sad.gif
Warren
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 01:14 PM) *
Maybe... Peter immortal now... that is just tooo overpowered now. I think they'll make it somehow that Adam is very unique in the powered people race. His power isnt in his DNA strings or something. Just a thought although very very unlikely wink.gif

I don't think so shanniee. The whole point is DNA and evolution.

Peter was already the most powerful character, adam's power is just icing on the cake.

I do love the whole powers evolved though...just makes the show that much more awesome. Someone has a base power and then after time it evolves and they learn to enhance it.

"UNLIMITED POWAH!"

Greyhound
I'm just saying it's to early to tell if she doesn't have the same power since Adam doesn't look like he's 15. Once her body "matures" that could be the final state. I'm just saying. I'm sure they'll write a difference in but right now it's a good assumption that Claire has the same power as Adam.
shanniee
QUOTE(Warren @ Nov 6 2007, 10:37 PM) *
I don't think so shanniee. The whole point is DNA and evolution.

Peter was already the most powerful character, adam's power is just icing on the cake.

I do love the whole powers evolved though...just makes the show that much more awesome. Someone has a base power and then after time it evolves and they learn to enhance it.

"UNLIMITED POWAH!"


I did say it was very unlikely wink.gif
I was just giving the possibility. I know Peter is godlike but giving him immortality is that he'll never get killed off in the show... So you can expect Peter be always alive in the show..
Idontwannabeasuperhero
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 09:41 PM) *
I did say it was very unlikely wink.gif
I was just giving the possibility. I know Peter is godlike but giving him immortality is that he'll never get killed off in the show... So you can expect Peter be always alive in the show..

But we know he can be trapped somewhere, like when he had no memory. And there's always this virus, if he gets a shot of that he's in the s*** too. Or maybe he'll be Adam's immortal guard when they imprison him.
Just because he can't die doesn't mean they can't get rid of him....
(I hope they don't though).
shanniee
QUOTE(Idontwannabeasuperhero @ Nov 6 2007, 11:59 PM) *
But we know he can be trapped somewhere, like when he had no memory. And there's always this virus, if he gets a shot of that he's in the s*** too. Or maybe he'll be Adam's immortal guard when they imprison him.
Just because he can't die doesn't mean they can't get rid of him....
(I hope they don't though).

Well they can get rid of Peter... They said it themselves..
Peter died in the future. But how ?
Hmm will make a new thread about this.
The-Hero
My theory is that Adam/Kensei was/is the great,great,great etc... Grand-father of the current Heroes E.g. Hiro, Peter, Claire etc...
MrJP
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 10:36 PM) *
Peter the most powerfull in this show is a fact...


The Haitian is! Future Peter and future Hiro were afraid of him! Super Haitian! He might not be able to take down an army of officers, but he's able to get 2 of the most powerfull heroes scared of him.

There's nothing that suggests Claire's and Adam's powers are different. First we don't know at what ages their powers manifested and aging might be something that is caused by the main ability or something they learn later, as with Matt and Maury Parkman.

Also he don't know how bad Adam was hurt in the explosion, Hiro might have teleported a couple of seconds into the future, allowing Kensai to escape (partly.

Any idea if Adam could be starved to death? I don't see why he couldn't be.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(MrJP @ Nov 6 2007, 04:04 PM) *
The Haitian is! Future Peter and future Hiro were afraid of him! Super Haitian! He might not be able to take down an army of officers, but he's able to get 2 of the most powerfull heroes scared of him.

There's nothing that suggests Claire's and Adam's powers are different. First we don't know at what ages their powers manifested and aging might be something that is caused by the main ability or something they learn later, as with Matt and Maury Parkman.

Also he don't know how bad Adam was hurt in the explosion, Hiro might have teleported a couple of seconds into the future, allowing Kensai to escape (partly.

Any idea if Adam could be starved to death? I don't see why he couldn't be.


Yet he got owned by Mohinder...technically they weren't scared of the hatian anyway. They were scared of the bullets when they couldn't block them, dodge them, or even stop time.
Kaylen
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 06:19 PM) *
Well they can get rid of Peter... They said it themselves..
Peter died in the future. But how ?
Hmm will make a new thread about this.


I think the virus takes away their abilities, right? So if Peter got the virus (like he obviously did in the future), his powers would go away and he would die.
Ob1
QUOTE(The-Hero @ Nov 6 2007, 03:39 PM) *
My theory is that Adam/Kensei was/is the great,great,great etc... Grand-father of the current Heroes E.g. Hiro, Peter, Claire etc...


Yeah I Reckon Its gonna turn out that claire is a descendent of Adam/Kensei
Just think back to season 1 in the episode (i think it was "company man") when they showed
hiro's father giving baby claire to Noah.
Hiro's father knew of the connection and this why adam/kensei killed hiro's father and
why he is working with peter(claires brother) in order to get close to her for whatever reason

If this is true then yes it means that all the patrelli's are related to kensei

Its just a theory but i can see it panning out htis way
Maldito Ninja
I think that Hiro is gonna kill Adam, with the help of Peter or maybe Sylar...
Parasite
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I think that Hiro is gonna kill Adam, with the help of Peter or maybe Sylar...


Now that would be way cool...Hiro together with Sylar against Adam and Peter...
mr. peasant
QUOTE(Parasite @ Nov 6 2007, 11:09 PM) *
Now that would be way cool...Hiro together with Sylar against Adam and Peter...


From the current lineup, I think it's more likely that Hiro will be teaming up with Matt and Nathan to stop Peter and Adam while Mohinder (and maybe Niki?) goes after Claire. Which leaves Elle, Maya, Alej and Sylar in the lurch. Reckon they'll bump into the others or will Elle be sent after Maya and Sylar?
shanniee
QUOTE(Kaylen @ Nov 7 2007, 01:31 AM) *
I think the virus takes away their abilities, right? So if Peter got the virus (like he obviously did in the future), his powers would go away and he would die.

Peter has Claire's regenerative powers. Claire is immune against the virus yet he died..
Kaylen
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 7 2007, 05:05 AM) *
Peter has Claire's regenerative powers. Claire is immune against the virus yet he died..


But when they wanted to inject Maury with the virus, they said it would take away his ability - why couldn't it take away Peter's abilities?
I'm not sure Claire is immune - I think the virus could take away her ability as well. I don't think she's the cure for the virus. I think the cure is Alejandro.
Hopefully we'll find out soon...
minara
Well... I think that Claire and Adam have the same power.

Claire can regenerate. Adam can regenerate. Both had their powers 'activated' around the time of the eclipse. We know that the Company knew Claire would be special when she was born, probably due to the fact that they knew the mutation was genetic and both of her parents were special (although both sets of powers might not have manifested yet. I will go into that further below). That said, this is where it gets kind of messy in terms of the activation of powers.

Ok so we know the old crew all had their powers activated when they were younger, hence the formation of the Company and other things. Here's where I get confused. Meredith controlled the fire that 'killed' her and Claire so that it would appear like they died. (I don't believe for a fact that she thought Claire was dead. I just think she didn't want anything to do with her/wanted her to have a better life than she could provide, so she pretended Claire was dead.) Kaito alludes to the fact that Claire's powers had not manifested yet but they knew she was different when he gave her to HRG for 'safekeeping'. In the episode "6 Months Ago", Nathan's powers manifested and he accidentally flew out of his car, which caused Heidi to become paralyzed. HOWEVER... he and Meredith are around the same age. Is it really the eclipse that activates their powers or is it something else? Shouldn't Nathan's flying ability have manifested at the same time as Meredith's?

Ok that tangent aside, here's where I'm going with this. If it IS indeed the eclipse that enables one's powers, Nathan's should have manifested at the same time as Meredith's. We assume the eclipse in 1671 activated Kensei's regeneration, much like the one in May of 07 (thereabouts) activated Claire's SCR and most of our heroes' abilities.

But what if the eclipse is just a coincidence (unlikely but possible)? Who's to say that Kensei's powers had already been enabled by the time Hiro found him? It seems to be that he really wasn't putting himself in the line of fire, what with having decoys pretend to be him, drinking and basically doing nothing whatsoever. He could have already had his power but nothing happened to prove it to him until Hiro showed up.

And maybe one's progression with their ability is not learned, it's acquired. Perhaps Kensei had had his powers for some time, but having fully matured into a man, his regenerative abilities just started repairing the cellular decay that comes with aging. Our bodies are meant to fight diseases and infections... perhaps the part of his brain that controls his power sees the decaying effect of time as an infection and destroys it like white blood cells create antibodies to keep us healthy.

The same thing could happen to Claire once she is fully matured. I'm not saying I'm completely right, but at least it's a possibility. It makes more sense to try to reason it out as to how they could have the same powers than to try to find way to disprove it biggrin.gif

I hope that makes sense. I've not had my coffee yet.
Thran
I think it's a different thing between kind of "getting" your powers and first using them / becoming aware of them. Maybe Nathan had his powers all along, but which normal person would jump of a roof or something just to see if he/she can fly? O.o

In my opinion you kind of get your power quite early (around the age Claire was), but you only use it without control, when you have real strong feelings - that may happen anytime, but can take quite a while sometimes. And besides some powers (like Hiros) need much concentration, so you explore them quite late, while other powers require at least some concentration (e.g. flying), which also need some time to explore. And the third type is "always activated" (healing for example) and so you instantly recognize it, when they show up for the first time.

Hope I made my point clear wink.gif
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