shanniee
Nov 6 2007, 03:20 PM
I just thought about the fact that in the episode, the man that was talking with Peter said that he had Peter's death certificate...
Which means that Peter isnt such immortal as we thought.
The problem is, how did he die? And by what or maybe even whom? SPECULATE !
starwarsgeek
Nov 6 2007, 03:27 PM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 03:20 PM)

I just thought about the fact that in the episode, the man that was talking with Peter said that he had Peter's death certificate...
Which means that Peter isnt such immortal as we thought.
The problem is, how did he die? And by what or maybe even whom? SPECULATE !
After the explosion he didn't come home. His family assumed he died
-sparky-
Nov 6 2007, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(starwarsgeek @ Nov 6 2007, 11:27 PM)

After the explosion he didn't come home. His family assumed he died
Precisely... which is why Nathan thought he was dead...
Warren
Nov 6 2007, 04:48 PM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 6 2007, 03:20 PM)

I just thought about the fact that in the episode, the man that was talking with Peter said that he had Peter's death certificate...
Which means that Peter isnt such immortal as we thought.
The problem is, how did he die? And by what or maybe even whom? SPECULATE !
lol shanniee.
They have his death certificate because they thought he died in the explosion.
Irvie
Nov 6 2007, 06:55 PM
If a person is missing for 4 months, what would you think?
Auxii
Nov 6 2007, 06:58 PM
QUOTE
After the explosion he didn't come home. His family assumed he died
Pretty much what I was thinking.
beanbagofdoom
Nov 7 2007, 01:06 AM
How about this for a twist - Adam may be able to absorb powers too, hence why he can heal people (absorbed lindermans powers), and over 400 years of that and the companys powers .....mind control, Illusions, whatever hiro's fathers power was and nathans mother and fathers powers were, robs power, just ...so many = uber powers
-sparky-
Nov 7 2007, 01:36 AM
QUOTE(beanbagofdoom @ Nov 7 2007, 09:06 AM)

How about this for a twist - Adam may be able to absorb powers too, hence why he can heal people (absorbed lindermans powers)...
When has it been seen that Adam/Kensai can heal people?
beanbagofdoom
Nov 7 2007, 02:08 AM
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 7 2007, 09:36 AM)

When has it been seen that Adam/Kensai can heal people?
Well im guessing he healed Nathan... but that still need confirming next episode
shanniee
Nov 7 2007, 02:19 AM
You guys are forgetting my point here....
Nathan knows that Peter is alive. You all saw it in this episode...
Peter went into the future at the time Nathan knew he was alive. Why would Nathan then say he's dead?
There are only 2 explanations atm and that is that Peter either really died or Peter went into the future which left him out of the timeline untill 1 year later he gets to know that time has catastrophic events.
Ofcourse I knew Nathan thought Peter was dead at first, but did you guys not watch the episode??!?!??!?!?
Nathan got told by Bob that Peter is alive and was missing only not dead.
Now I hope you guys understand my point (Starwarsgeek, Warren, Sparky, Irvie and Auxii).
Triton
Nov 7 2007, 04:43 AM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 7 2007, 02:19 AM)

You guys are forgetting my point here....
Nathan knows that Peter is alive. You all saw it in this episode...
Peter went into the future at the time Nathan knew he was alive. Why would Nathan then say he's dead?
There are only 2 explanations atm and that is that Peter either really died or Peter went into the future which left him out of the timeline untill 1 year later he gets to know that time has catastrophic events.
Ofcourse I knew Nathan thought Peter was dead at first, but did you guys not watch the episode??!?!??!?!?
Nathan got told by Bob that Peter is alive and was missing only not dead.
Now I hope you guys understand my point (Starwarsgeek, Warren, Sparky, Irvie and Auxii).
Wow what a thought. Nathan did learn about Peter while he was in the future so it can't be the explosion. You're saying Peter's death was formed from his absence in the heroes timeline from when he timetravelled from 2007 to 2008. That means everytime someone time travels into the future they distort the future timeline itself because they 'disappeared' from the past timeline. But however, when Hiro timetravelled into the future, he saw future Hiro. And that future timeline was the direct product of timetravelling into the future from that moment in time. So somehow the timelines are seperate parallel universes of time or someting. And your reason doesn't make much sense. This is confusing
GeneZ
Nov 7 2007, 05:06 AM
timetravel is headache.
i just go with the thought that they don't time travel,
they go to a different universe.
see if peter destroyed the city, then hiro wouldn't have time travelled to 1671 and meet kensei.
what could the real old kensei be?
lol
shanniee
Nov 7 2007, 05:30 AM
QUOTE(Triton @ Nov 7 2007, 01:43 PM)

Wow what a thought. Nathan did learn about Peter while he was in the future so it can't be the explosion. You're saying Peter's death was formed from his absence in the heroes timeline from when he timetravelled from 2007 to 2008. That means everytime someone time travels into the future they distort the future timeline itself because they 'disappeared' from the past timeline. But however, when Hiro timetravelled into the future, he saw future Hiro. And that future timeline was the direct product of timetravelling into the future from that moment in time. So somehow the timelines are seperate parallel universes of time or someting. And your reason doesn't make much sense. This is confusing

Ofcourse my reasoning doesnt make much sense

Its very confusing hence my thread, since I cant make out of it.
I wanted that somebody with a better understanding up till now will explain it too me thats all
MrJP
Nov 7 2007, 06:11 AM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 7 2007, 12:20 AM)

I just thought about the fact that in the episode, the man that was talking with Peter said that he had Peter's death certificate...
Which means that Peter isnt such immortal as we thought.
The problem is, how did he die? And by what or maybe even whom? SPECULATE !
The virus got to Peter when he didn't have his healing ability activated? blocking his power, unable to re-call his healing ability. Or maybe he lelft his time zone simply, which caused him to be missing so long he was declared dead.
-sparky-
Nov 7 2007, 07:34 AM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 7 2007, 10:19 AM)

You guys are forgetting my point here....
Nathan knows that Peter is alive. You all saw it in this episode...
Peter went into the future at the time Nathan knew he was alive. Why would Nathan then say he's dead?
What???
Nathan NOW knows that Peter is alive thanks to Bob telling him...
How does Peter timetravelling to 2008 affect this knowledge?
How does Nathan know that Peter has currently transported to the future?
Thran
Nov 7 2007, 07:40 AM
QUOTE(MrJP @ Nov 7 2007, 03:11 PM)

The virus got to Peter when he didn't have his healing ability activated? blocking his power, unable to re-call his healing ability. Or maybe he lelft his time zone simply, which caused him to be missing so long he was declared dead.
The healing ability is always activated.
He healed from two gun shots at that pub in Ireland without knowing that he had such powers - remember?!
Triton
Nov 7 2007, 08:18 AM
QUOTE(MrJP @ Nov 7 2007, 06:11 AM)

The virus got to Peter when he didn't have his healing ability activated? blocking his power, unable to re-call his healing ability. Or maybe he lelft his time zone simply, which caused him to be missing so long he was declared dead.
The virus affects heroes regardless of what powers they have, as well as everyone else.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 7 2007, 09:24 AM
Ok, so Nathan knows Peter is alive. So what? The only proof is in the hands of the Company, and you /know/ they ain't letting that go.
Hence, even though he knows, Nathan is never able to prove it, hence the death certificate stands. Especially since Peter jumped to a timeline in which his existence was missing (ie because he was jumping in time) so he never saw anyone.
Remember when Hiro first jumped to the future and the police called Ando? Ando said Hiro was missing for several months. But then Hiro went back in time, and the future was altered. Peter's situation is the same.
shanniee
Nov 7 2007, 10:06 AM
Hmm you raise an interesting point about peter's death certificate. He jumped to the future like Hiro in the first few episodes in season 1 and people declared him missing/dead.
And your saying that The Company wont allow Nathan to say that Peter is alive or able to prove it.
That could work, although on the other hand why tell Nathan in the first place then?
@sparky :
Nathan doesnt know that Peter teleported to the future... Dont know whered you get that idea as I didnt said that.
And for the part of how Peter's timetravel affects Nathans knowledge about him being alive has been answered by the above poster. He was assumed dead or missing by people since he didnt exist in the timeline since he teleported to 1 year into the future.
Thx for SleepingPhoenix to clear it up.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 7 2007, 10:13 AM
QUOTE(shanniee @ Nov 7 2007, 02:06 PM)

And your saying that The Company wont allow Nathan to say that Peter is alive or able to prove it.
That could work, although on the other hand why tell Nathan in the first place then?
Well, i look at it as Bob wanting to buddy up to the next-gen heroes, getting them on his side, since he appears to have so few allies left. (I put him in the Kaito group of the Company, as opposed to the Adam's-disciples group.
How better to get Nathan on your side than to be the one to tell him his brother is alive? Or even better, be the one to return him to you (ie Whats-her-face-lightning-girl looking for him in Cork).
And yeah, the Company wouldn't give Nathan the proof, because that would prove that the Company exists to the public, which is a no-no
shanniee
Nov 7 2007, 10:15 AM
QUOTE(SleepingPhoenix @ Nov 7 2007, 07:13 PM)

Well, i look at it as Bob wanting to buddy up to the next-gen heroes, getting them on his side, since he appears to have so few allies left. (I put him in the Kaito group of the Company, as opposed to the Adam's-disciples group.
How better to get Nathan on your side than to be the one to tell him his brother is alive? Or even better, be the one to return him to you (ie Whats-her-face-lightning-girl looking for him in Cork).
And yeah, the Company wouldn't give Nathan the proof, because that would prove that the Company exists to the public, which is a no-no
Interesting speculation.
But if Nathan wanted to prove to the public that Peter is alive or to whoever he has to, he doesnt have to mention the Company ... He can just say that he found a video of him (not one from the Company) alive and well...
comatose
Nov 7 2007, 12:53 PM
from the first episode i think that they thought that peter had died cos he was missing, but knowing that he was able to heal himself makes them speculate as to his whereabout, "if" he was to survive the explosion, which in my opinion they weren't even sure if he could survive. remember when nathan got back to peter's place he told angela not to touch any of his things cos he's gonna want it when he comes back, which means he wasnt even sure at all if he will come back. and angela said he died in the explosion, which means she doubt he survived the explosion, hence the death certificate. and all those times nathan never met anyone who actually saw peter alive after the explosion, until bob told him and showed him the video.
as for nathan, maybe he was badly burnt after the explosion an was in the care of the company. and as bob mention about adam being locked, maybe it was adam's blood that healed nathan. and now that adam has escape and learning that claire has manifest with healing abilities, they need her blood to cure niki. then destroy all the virus before it starts spreading. which might lead to noah being killed for claire, but since matt, nathan and mohinder is on bob's side, they might come to an agreement for claire. and since nathan was there to help peter with the explosion, he might win claire's trust. noah and niki might not die. this would be an interesting twist. if it happens.
as for angela, she might not be under bob's side of the company, maybe thats why she doesnt know about peter being alive. but one thing puzzled me. the haitian. he was working with angela to protect claire in season 1. we learnt that peter lost his memory when he woke up in ireland. so why didnt the haitian inform angela of peter's whereabouts? and who does he really work for? we've seen him with angela in season 1 and noah most of other times even when noah was out of the company.
i hope this explains much. all we can have now is theories. we can only anticipate the next episode. (:
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 7 2007, 01:06 PM
You know, i just thought of something. When Matt and Nathan were looking for the photo of the 12, didn't Nathan point to Bob and say something to the effect of "That's Bob. He runs the company" ? Or did he just know that it was Bob? i kinda forget.
But if he did say that Bob runs the company, how did he know this? This would support extrapolation that Nathan was somehow treated by the Company during the 4 month period, and met Bob there.
But i suppose thats what next week's episode is for.
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