Well it seems that heroes have gone and done it.. made someone who is indestructible.

But if (BIG if) Adam/Kensei hasnt got any other powers then he can surely be stopped right?

Any thoughts on what or who could stop him??..

My Theories:

1. The Haitian could make him forget who he his.. though this would be a feat as he would have to take away 400+ years of memories.

2. Matt/Maury could lock him in his own worst nightmare/fantasy or make him go nuts (mind control)

3. The virus...would this take away even his power?

4.Maya's virus...could this kill him?

5. Hiro could go back in time and prevent himself from 'betraying' kensei.

6. Hiro could prevent him from ever being conceived (perhaps a little far fetched even for heroes)

Please feel free to post any suggestions regardless of how over the top they seem...

Thanks

1 : The haitian could make him forget yes, but Adam will still be immortal and as it seems now, the Haitian may be able to remove the memories. The memories can come back (think of Peter by Mrs. Petrelli) although with the help of someone else.

2 : Matt/Maury could lock him up but the thing is, he doesnt have any fear as he is immortal and can not die. No fear = no nightmare = useless maury/matt when it comes to nightmares.

3 : He will not die by the virus as he is immortal and is immune to everything it seems...

4 : Maya is like an infection to someone's body and so Adam will survive.

5+6 :Hiro cant go for a fact back in time as it will mess with the timespace continuum as Kensei does need to be betrayed by Hiro for Hiro to become who he is now.

This all does count for IF Adam is immortal.

Are you people sure about the immortal thing?

My opinion is, that the powers of Adam/Takezo are almost the same as Claires. That means he CAN die, although there are only a few possibilities. The virus is meant to take away people's powers, and I'm sure it would work on Takezo too. (I also think that Mayas power can work - maybe she's the key for stoping him...)

He is not immortal to me, just regenerating and renewing dead cells.

The above reasonings of mine are only applied IF Adam is immortal else he can die and things like u said

Maya's infection is extreme fast, if it destroys faster than Adam could heal, it might work. However I expect Maya's disease to work as a cure. Poison against Poison. The comic suggested it might be able to cure cancer cells, but with the story shaping up, it might be able to cure the virus. Destroying infected cells first and curing the (shanti) virus after that maya's virus could be healed by Alandro.

I heard it somewhere on the forums dont know where though. But if Adam is immortal... Then nothing will affect him which makes him very very dangerous.

well he must be immortal or how else would we see him in the trailer for 4 months ago and he looked exactly the same as he did in the 1600's??

My understanding of the regenerative power is that, in both Takezo/Adam and Claire (and now Peter x2), it is effectively immortality. I don't know that it functions quite the same way as the immortality of the Highlander variety, although I believe that seperation of the skull from the body would be enough to kill the person with this power. Especially if you then did something to destroy the head, i.e., smashing, burning, stuff it in a wood chipper, etc. But it would require complete destruction of the brain and specifically that part of the brain that is the root of the power in all of our Heroes.

Regarding the Highlander variety, there were those with the potential to become immortal and they lived a normal enough life until they met with some terminal event, at which point they manifested and remained at that age for the rest of their days. So some of them were quite aged-appearing as immortals, and many were rather young, one even maintaining the form of a child (if you watched the television series).

In the case of our Heroes variety of rapid cellular regeneration (which is effectively a form of immortality), I believe that the person still ages even after their ability has manifested, but the visible signs of aging are masked and significantly slowed after the person reaches a median age appearance, somewhere in the late 20s to mid 30s. Therefore, Claire will continue to appear to age until she reaches full physical maturity, at which point she will cease to age physically.

At least that's how it makes sense to me. Any other ideas? /discuss

Nope not immortal, since without the brain he wont be able to heal. We can see this when Claire/Peter had an object in their skull and the story of Takezo dying after cutting his head off.

The reason behind his youth? Well i just thought since he can do cell regeneration (basic idea) Maybe he realized he can do more with the cells. Like causing them not to die out or somehow controlling the multiplication factor (no limit?) Therefore ruling out the chance for your body to age. But then again, like in Peter's time they have both a healer(Claire) AND someone who controls time(Hiro), so maybe he met someone who could do the same(control time)? 0_o

If Kensei's ''ability'' is immortality, then maybe his power could be suspended in the presence of the Haitian and then we'd be able to kill him...

Hiro can cut off his head, i know i know, messy...

If U Take Away His Powers, You Can Kill Him.
Simple.

a. haitian can neutralize his powers, and someone else kills him, since he can't regenerate.

b. peter can use haitian's neutralizing powers PLUS some ability (like electricity) to finish him off

c. sylar can cut his brain out before he regenerates (like what he did to future claire)


or simply don't kill him.
do what it's speculated.
bury him alive.

Peter only remembered his mom because he tapped into Matt's power and read her mind of the memories SHE has of him.

Well the company did manage to stop and contain Adam for some time until two weeks ago...

How could he escape ?

Hmm, don't know yet, depends how the company trapped him

maybe the only way is to lock him somewhere deserted or bury him alive and totally forget about him. in that way he's "dead".



maybe he did a midnight express?

Yeah let's forget about someone who wants to kill us all ??

Well his only power is being incredably hard to kill, he hasnt got any really damageing powers like sylar has however his one power makes him seem really awsome to me for some reason. However it does make me wonder what actual threat can he be without a weapon to use like a sword or gun.

Besides unless he is clever with peter and missleads him, which given Peter's character will be piss easy, he will get his a** kicked.

As for escaping, well hes not stupid so i doubt it would be hard to imagine him figureing out a way of escaping.

maybe matt can trap adam in a nightmare, and then lock him away. and before that get the haitian to erase everything from his mind. he wont know anything it he was to wake up.

O_O I seem to have missed that detail in my readings...
Could you quote it please? Or point me to which comic it was?



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It looked more like those were Peter's memories....I was strongly under the impression that he was reading his own mind to recover lost memories*....unless it was many of Mrs. P's memories of looking in a mirror.

*indicating that the Haitian didn't erase his mind. Haitian digging deep = leaving nothing behind.

if hiro hadn't meddled with time he would of cut his own heart out as kensei, to save the princess, am i right or wrong there or was that because hiro became kensei so he was the one who was going to cut his heart out?

So he could die from having his heart cut out.

The cutting the heart out reference is a metaphor...

Its not actually meant to be him actually cutting his heart out, more a statement of how broken hearted he will be having to leave his love the princess behind...

He told Hiro how to kill him: stop time and cut off his head to stop him regenerating.

Maybe Hiro's Power will also evolve and he'll be able to manipulate time for other persons than himself.

That Way he could stop time for Adam, so that he'll be just like a statue.

Adam may be immortal, but NOT INVINCIBLE. He is not incredibly strong per se.

So therefore, it he gets locked up, or heaven forbid, gets a LIFE sentence and put in prison, he'll be in there for a very very long time.

Also, he could get his head chopped off like in Highlander, or get thrown in a wood chipper like in Fargo.

He already can do that.

Until he manages to escape. An escape plan would only take time and intelligence, both of which he definitely has.



He can? Can you reference an episode for me?

You know who has the ability to stop Adam? Bob. Unlike Peter or Elle, Adam can't throw bolts of lightning or telekinetically throw pots and pans at the guy. He has to get up close and make physical contact with him to kill him. In which case, Bob can just turn him into gold.

Also, they could just to a Pirates of the Caribbean and tie him to a cannonball. Though of course, rather than firing said cannonball into the sea, they could launch it up into space. Lord knows Hana needs some company up there.

When he wanted to kiss Yaeko for example.

Just rewatched that scene a couple times, and, unfortunately, there's no background movement to judge it by. Which means it could be either way, but I'm sure he stopped "all" of time. Also, if he stops everything, then Adam watching him would only have seen him giving in to Yaeko. If he had stopped only Yaeko, Adam would've seen him hesitating, and perhaps things would've turned out different...

Have you seen 1x20 ("Five Years Gone")? Near the end, the Hatian was going to block Peter's and Hiro's powers so they could be shot. Had this power only worked on mental abilities, Peter could have used many, amny powers to stop everyone's favorite unnamed character, namely: sneak up on him with invisability, use super speed to run along and disarm everyone (he copied it in a graphic novel), use fire (hard to tell if that was ted or clair's mom [forgot name], but either way, it's not mental.

As you can see, the Hatian would have been no threat to Peter. But what were they doing? Sneaking through to grab Hiro (or possibly kill the Hatian while he had no back-up.) Why would Peter bother with the sneaking if bending space/time continuum, TK, and telepathy were the only powers he couldn't use.

Now earlier in the season, we saw the Hatian being useless against Peter and Nathan. Keep in mind that he was following Mama P's orders. She wouldn't want her children bagged+tagged, now would she?

You make some good points. And, while I still believe that his ability only deals with the mind, this is part of the reason I hope we get a fuller explanation. I have a theory, you have a theory, others have theories, and we don't have enough facts to rule out enough theories.



My best guess (in defense of my theory, of course ) is that, yes, he could still use his other awesome powers to benefit himself, but he would also have FHiro and Ando, both relatively powerless, to defend and bring along with him (and, on the way out, both FHiro and PHiro). Better to sneak-n-hide in and sneak-n-hide out while they're together than to try to go in both with guns ablazin' AND trying to defend three people simultaneously.



This begs one or both of two questions:
Why were HRG and the Haitian after Nathan in early S1?
If the Haitian were able to block any power, how did Nathan fly away?
Of course, an answer to one could render the other obsolete. I'll have to go back and see why they were after Nathan.

Edit: transcript from when they grab Nathan (epi 1/05):

Nathan: "Do you have any idea who I am??"
HRG: "Better than even you."
Nathan: "Fine, look, I'll pay you, okay? You name it."
HRG: "We don't want anything, We just need to know a couple of things, that's all."
*HRG answers cell, Nathan attacks, Nathan runs, gets caught at the chain link fence*
HRG: "That was entirely unnecessary."
Nathan: "Might as well go ahead and shoot now. I'll find you, I will kill you."
HRG: "Unlikely, Mr. Petrelli."
Nathan: "I've seen your faces."
HRG: "That, I'm afraid, won't be a problem. [to the Haitian] Put him down."
At which point Nathan and the Haitian get into their boxing stances, and Nathan shoots off.

So, unfortunately, no detail about why they're after him.

That's the main weakness with Heroes. In their efforts to create connections between the characters, they tend to contradict each other or make past events (that occurred before the writers decided to create said connection) not make sense. Of course, they can always invoke the power of retcon; they are sort of a comic after all, right?

Of course, one can simply argue that the Company, at least at the time, was ruthless enough to go after the children of their own allies. Because if you think about it, why did they 'bag n tag' Matt as well? In the most recent episode, it was mentioned Linderman and Maury were supposed to be all buddy buddy under Adam's tutelage.

True.

But they also said that some of the 12 locked Adam away because he was dangerous. Who knows how long ago that happened, but if it was longer ago than they tagged Matt, it could be because they didn't trust Maury.

Then again, it could be because Maury walked out on Matt when Matt was little. Maury couldn't keep tabs on Matt, like Mrs. Petrelli could with her boys, so they either tagged him without knowing who he was (hard to believe, given last names) or tagged him in spite of his relations.

'How To Stop An Immortal Man' . . . this may be the biggest riddle since 'How To Stop An Exploding Man'!!! Once again my theory proves true, 'Heroes' is more center based around the trends in the writers styles than theories derived from the 'Heroes' universe. Which is why we always run into these situations where we find ourselves dumbfound. Like in Season One when HRG & The Hatian were chasing down Nathan...then towards the end of the season we find out that Mrs. Petrelli and The Hatian are connected.

There's always bold contradictions in 'Heroes' but there writing theories remain the same. Which bassically says that the same way there was no way to stop and exploding man (well there was, but did you really think they were going to kill of Peter???) there is no way to stop an immortal man. Which is why the only thing to do is for Hiro stop freeze time and bury Adam alive. Yes he will still be alive technically but he will be burried. Not much harm ten feet below the earths surface.

No one can kill me, that's a well known fact hence the world immortality. But let's say if one was able to confine me into one space permenantly, well that might work, wouldn't it? It would be a faith worse than death an apparent eternity unable to break free.

i think the haitian's powers are selective and requires the haitian's activation before he can block the powers of selected individuals.

You'd think 400 years would reduce your probability of typos

The keyboard has only existed for around 50 years, unfortunately. Lol.

First of, I'm not sure Adam's power is the same as Claire's and therefore also Peter's. Claire and Peter can be killed, we've seen that. But the spoilers clearly state that they'll bury Adam alive because they can't kill him. If he could be killed when he has the same power as Claire, surely Peter and Claire would know how to kill him. But Claire on the other hand, maybe her power will develop and Adam's immortality is a development of his regeneration power. Either way, he can't be killed. And yes most of the options, thread starter suggested are viable, like taking his memories and such but he still CANNOT die! That must be why the Company kept him prisoner because I'm sure at one point they sensed he was pissed and was going to come after them. As for how he escaped, I have a theory that Peter helped him but I'm not sure if that could fit with Adam's blood healing Nathan.

As for the "cutting out his heart" metaphor, how about this:
It was the dragon who taught Kensei how to be a hero, how fight the bad guys, his ability etc. and in return the dragon demanded Kensei's love for the "princess".
Hiro taught Kensei and then he took his love. Also, Kensei said Hiro "cut him deeper than any blade possibly could..."

Looks like you found the solution.
I am feeling enlightened

No problem

The think is there was no way for Hiro to be with the "princess" either way - he's from the future, she's in the past. Get a grip, Hiro! Which makes the whole ordeal ridiculous, because had Hiro kept his lips to himself or just denied, denied, DENIED, Adam/Kensei wouldn't have turned. Even if Yaeko didn't love Kensei anymore, he would still not have felt betrayed by his friend.

You know what could be cool? If Heroes would follow what I originally guessed they would:

Hiro would travel back in time, change his mistakes and we could see how history could have unraveled then. It could be interesting to see if Adam would have turned good then or if he would have strayed from the good side anyway.

i think that adams power was the same as clairs when hero meet him the first time but as u can see and u all know ..... the powers that they posses are evolveig ...like in matt's case....his father started the same way as matt whit the same power but after some time the powers began to evolve..i think adams powers are at the peak...he evoled throw the time and become imortal.....TOTAL CELL REGENERATION..or smth like that.....+ some diabolic knowlage and some kick a** evil personality

Hmm, couldn't be bothered to read all the post... But I'd say we could just chop his head off? I'd like to see an entire new body grow out of the stump of his head. or a head grow from his body. LOL... or just pancake him.. as in flatten him with a steam roller. Sick, graphic, gory, but yah, confirm dead.

well..anyways i cant wait for the next epi since we will see some cools stuff and probably we will have even mopre questions after the epi

peter owns.....WTF

My bad, but the qwerty system has been around longer than that, no? And even so, surely 50+ years is plenty to perfect your typing methods



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Possible, but the way the story's told indicates that Kensei cut his own heart out, whereas, with your reasoning, "the dragon" Hiro cut out Kensei-Adam's heart.



Keep in mind he was roasted to a black, charred crisp (assuming, of course, that that was his body we saw next to his mask in the camp). And, with the theories on "total cell regen" as an evolution, I see no reason why his head couldn't grow a new body, or why he couldn't come back from being flattened. Though I would say the body wouldn't grow a new head, since the powers reside in the brain.

Hmm, well, it might be a mixture. We all know who have been writing the stories - Yaeko. Hardly unbiased. But it fits with Hiro "demanding" Kensei's love more than Hiro cutting his own heart out. I mean where's the dragon in that story?

To be honest the whole storyline is stupid. I still don't get why Hiro stayed. Did he think he could get the princess in the end? Kensei didn't need him that badly, he can't die! Instead Hiro stayed and wrecked havoc. Which, is something else they haven't explored either. I mean he said he had changed the history with his appearance in the past, so what was changed?

Maybe he had to be there for the NBC graphic novels

Chuffa, chuffa

But, yeah. As usual, more explanation would be nice. They need to start showing two hours at once instead of one .