Silentsoto
Nov 19 2007, 08:25 PM
Maybe this belongs in the theories forum?
I at first thought it was Bob maybe showing a change of heart, but as someone pointed out to me on a different thread, Bob's plan was always to kill Noah.
So maybe they left his body there, or dumped somewhere, but if I were Adam, i'd be recruiting an army , even with a one man army like Peter, so who better than someone who wants to take down the company as bad as he does.
It's plausible, peter could've talked about him, after all he's his niece's father, and if peter absorbed DL's power at kirby plaza, then it's safe to say he absorbed micah and molly's power as well, so he could definitely find him if he was looking for him.
One_Hiro
Nov 19 2007, 08:32 PM
I'm pretty sure Adam actually knows about Noah, about Kirby Plaza, etc. If what Bob said was true Linderman was Adam's disciple.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 19 2007, 08:37 PM
well, the only thing i have to say to that is that the room Noah woke up in looked suspiciously like one of the company rooms. I mean, like the one that peter and adam were kept in.
Silentsoto
Nov 19 2007, 08:37 PM
well what i don't get is why was he locked up if linderman was adam's deciple, didn't Linderman run the company?
One_Hiro
Nov 19 2007, 08:39 PM
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 19 2007, 10:37 PM)

well what i don't get is why was he locked up if linderman was adam's deciple, didn't Linderman run the company?
Maybe he turned on Adam at some point, I'm not sure. But the key word here is that Linderman WAS on of Adam's disciples, this could even be applied to before Lindermans death.
tist
Nov 19 2007, 08:51 PM
i believe bob revived him with the blood he took from Claire. perhaps the company really is changing and he wants to convince noah.. or has some other agenda
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 19 2007, 09:00 PM
I wonder if they revived Noah at the expence of Nikki....
Silentsoto
Nov 19 2007, 09:06 PM
well that maybe what they want you to think, that's why they didn't show who revived him. he didn't seem to be locked up either.
But i'm sure we'll find out next week, my biggest concern is how the are going to wrap up all these loose ends in just two episodes. Does anyone know if the season finale is going to be extended time?
QUOTE(SleepingPhoenix @ Nov 19 2007, 09:00 PM)

I wonder if they revived Noah at the expence of Nikki....
No, IF it was Bob who revived him, he put claire's blood into a pint bag, when we first see Noah he is hooked up to an IV with a vile of blood in it, so it wasn't the whole thing that they used, even so if it was Bob, he know that he can use noah to get more blood.
But i still think it was adam, only adam's blood could possibly regenerate someone who is that far gone.
Bennet
Nov 19 2007, 09:25 PM
MY two cents;
Bob revived him and we're going to see some divine retribution on Bennet for the things he's done.
This episode struck a lot of parallels with previous episodes, so I'm expecting Bob to be wanting to test the limits of Claire's blood for healing...
Think back to Bennet telling Hank, "If he crashes, you bring him back...Over and over again."
Something makes me think that's Bob's intention here, torture Bennet, kill him, and bring him back to see what Claire's blood can do...
Garcian Smith
Nov 19 2007, 09:37 PM
I think that Adam and Peter have revived Noah, and I've got two reasons why I think that:
1) The room that Noah wakes up in, while slightly similar to Company facilities, is quite run down and looks like it is was hastily set up.
2) Mohinder looks longingly at the gun towards the end of the episode post the shooting. I believe him to be under the apprehension that he has in fact killed Noah, and is an indicator of his body not being moved either by himself or Bob. Of course, one could say that he is simply stunned that he's conflicted at the fact that he was able to shoot someone.
I would prefer it that Noah would go towards Adam and Noah. Then you would have three different factions:
- Adam, Peter and Noah
- The Company, Mohinder and possibly Matt
- Hiro, Ando and anyone else I've forgotten...
punkrampant
Nov 19 2007, 10:22 PM
QUOTE(Garcian Smith @ Nov 19 2007, 09:37 PM)

- Adam, Peter and Noah
- The Company, Mohinder and possibly Matt
- Hiro, Ando and anyone else I've forgotten...
- Maya, Alejandro, and Sylar
We still don't how they're gonna fit in the big picture.
lastxcallforsin
Nov 19 2007, 10:54 PM
Peter and Adam did not bring back Noah. Noah is being held captive by the company. Either Bob has a reason to keep him around or Mohinder brought him back without Bob knowing using Claire's blood.
efrens
Nov 19 2007, 11:21 PM
QUOTE(SleepingPhoenix @ Nov 20 2007, 03:00 PM)

I wonder if they revived Noah at the expence of Nikki....
Mohinder won't allow that to happen.
PowerHouse
Nov 20 2007, 06:42 AM
QUOTE(lastxcallforsin @ Nov 20 2007, 01:54 AM)

Peter and Adam did not bring back Noah. Noah is being held captive by the company. Either Bob has a reason to keep him around or Mohinder brought him back without Bob knowing using Claire's blood.
I'm gonna have to go along with this one. I'm thinkin' Bob has him.
teddyboy09
Nov 20 2007, 07:07 AM
There's a chance that Mo went back for Noah, but it's a bigger possibility that they already brought him; they just didn't show him in the van.
BUT the best possible theory is that Adam and Peter got to Noah. They want to "save the world" and Adam is going after the original 12 (well, 11, since Adam's said to be one of them). Bob = original 12 (11), and Bob hates Noah. And Noah's a smart dude who could most likely help the two.
Plus, as previously mentioned, the room that Noah woke up in was really small for a Company room, it looks more makeshift.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 20 2007, 07:12 AM
Not sure where i land on this. I think its logical that the Company has Noah (the room looked like a company room), but does Bob fully understand the extent to which Adam or Claire's blood can heal? Because Adam definitely would.
hellblazer
Nov 20 2007, 09:39 AM
It's plausible that Peter and Adam saved him, after all Adam has blood cell regeneration also, after all it was his blood that healed Nathan.
Personally I can't see the company bringing him back as their main priority was to get her blood to cure Nikki and stop the virus, so shooting Noah would make him a lower priority as it was always Bob's intention and it would be weird for someone you perceive as highly dangerous like Noah to simply bring him back to life, even to toy with him I dought very much Bob is that twisted.
Warsaw64
Nov 20 2007, 09:58 AM
I think it was the company that revived Noah because if you look when he gets shot (Boom, Headshot!) Bob looks really upset.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 20 2007, 09:59 AM
The only problem being, of course...how on earth did they find him? I'm fairly certain Peter doesn't know his Molly-Walker-Tracking skill exists. (i'd ask if he even has it, but hey...he has DL's power, doesn't he? =P )
And would Adam even know of Noah's existence?
Grimmauld
Nov 20 2007, 10:06 AM
My theory is this.
Bob, Mohinder, and Elle left Bennet to die at the scene; it seemed quite clear that Bob and Elle's intentions were to kill Bennet and get Claire's blood, and Mohinder's loyalties to him swayed when he refused to give up his daughter's blood to save Niki, the cause that Mohinder, I believe was really die hard for. Obviously, however, the whole scene made quite a commotion, so wouldn't it be plausible that paramedics lifted Bennet's body out to the hospital, and Adam and Peter came to save him there, as they did Nathan? Or perhaps the people who brought him to the hospital were Claire and West, and Claire used her blood on him?
galwayrules
Nov 20 2007, 10:40 AM
QUOTE(Bennet @ Nov 19 2007, 09:25 PM)

Something makes me think that's Bob's intention here, torture Bennet, kill him, and bring him back to see what Claire's blood can do...
i agree with this. I think he didn't want to kill Bennet and presumed he would die at this exchange so took some of Claires blood before hand. Then when he did die he could just revive him again and show him how valuable Claires blood is. Besides he could capture Claire easily now if he wanted too because she doesn't have Noah to protect her
Fundi
Nov 20 2007, 12:09 PM
Maybe after Mohinder killed Noah he asked Bob to revive him with the blood.
Angor
Nov 20 2007, 12:32 PM
I think Bob revived him to get Claire. Having a living Noah would give Bob the opportunity to simply call Claire and tell her to come over to the company.
"You wanna see your dad again? Let me give you the adress where you can find him."
He still wants to get his hands on Claire, doesn't he?
Grimmauld
Nov 20 2007, 02:52 PM
There has been no plausible reason stated as to why Bob wanted to keep Bennet alive. There's nothing to support the fact that isn't shrouded by speculation. Never was there any mention of Bob wanting Bennet alive for any reason; if there was, I feel quite sure that he would have stopped Mohinder from killing him. On the other hand, Adam and Peter's cause seems to be the more likely candidates for the revival of him. They've done it before, they can do it again, and Bennet is a valuable ally.
SleepingPhoenix
Nov 20 2007, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(Grimmauld @ Nov 20 2007, 05:52 PM)

There has been no plausible reason stated as to why Bob wanted to keep Bennet alive. There's nothing to support the fact that isn't shrouded by speculation. Never was there any mention of Bob wanting Bennet alive for any reason; if there was, I feel quite sure that he would have stopped Mohinder from killing him. On the other hand, Adam and Peter's cause seems to be the more likely candidates for the revival of him. They've done it before, they can do it again, and Bennet is a valuable ally.
2 things.
1st, there is a very plausible reason: Getting Claire. Yes, they can take her by force, but then they have to find her, capture her, constantly guard her, yadda yadda yadda. Where as now, they can say "see?! we're good people! We brought your dad back! see what you're blood can do? why wouldn't you want to help people like that?"
2nd, I am all for Peter and Adam finding Noah. But...um...they have to find him first? Peter doesn't really know he has - much less how to use - his Molly Walker power. Since its doubtful that Adam even knows Noah exists, it would have to be Peter's idea to find him, and then he would have to find him, etc, etc. So how could he find him?
-sparky-
Nov 20 2007, 05:13 PM
QUOTE(Grimmauld @ Nov 20 2007, 06:06 PM)

Or perhaps the people who brought him to the hospital were Claire and West, and Claire used her blood on him?
Hospital??!!
Jeez... I thought the hospitals in the UK were terrible!!
Auxii
Nov 20 2007, 05:38 PM
QUOTE
Hospital??!!
Jeez... I thought the hospitals in the UK were terrible!!
Umm..
miloytheman
Nov 20 2007, 08:49 PM
i can't wait for next week's episode.... 6 more days
im with adam reviving noah...
EterniCode
Nov 20 2007, 09:08 PM
QUOTE(miloytheman @ Nov 20 2007, 11:49 PM)

i can't wait for next week's episode.... 6 more days
im with adam reviving noah...
I'm with the Company reviving him. Claire and West think he's dead, and I don't think Claire has fully grasped (or even really heard Bob in the first place) that her blood can heal; and, even if it could, what are the chances it'll bring the dead back to life? (apparently as long as you have that one part of your brain...)
As for Adam and Peter, they could still be in Montreal for all we know. Although, it would make sense that, after Peter remembered everything, he could teleport over and they could find HRG. Unfortunately, they'd end up (and have to start their search) in either Texas or New York >_<
So I think that, for some reason, the Company (read: Bob) has some reason to keep HRG alive.
Silentsoto
Nov 21 2007, 11:08 AM
ok well once adam had his little session with peter, he regained his full memory. He fully remembers Noah and is loyal to him.
Archis
Nov 21 2007, 11:14 AM
QUOTE(EterniCode)
So I think that, for some reason, the Company (read: Bob) has some reason to keep HRG alive.
Maybe he's in love with him! lol
But a very interesting theory though
but i dont see why mohinder and bob would leave dead HRG body in the street....they probably took him with them...then gave him the blood bob gt from claire
EterniCode
Nov 21 2007, 12:43 PM
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Nov 21 2007, 02:08 PM)

ok well once adam had his little session with peter, he regained his full memory. He fully remembers Noah and is loyal to him.
Yeah, but didn't he have his memories during those three months that Adam was indoctrinating him? Best I can tell, he's remembering his "loyalties" to Adam.
"Shall we save the world?"
-sparky-
Nov 21 2007, 03:11 PM
It looks as though he's woken up in one of the hatches from LOST...
Ooooh... maybe thats why the Others in LOST have weird powers... They're all 'Heroes'!!
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