His face when he was holding the gun made me wanna cry (after I was done yelling at the tv over HRG) since HRG is fine, now I'm starting to feel for Mohinder.


He wanted to stop the virus so he killed Bennet. The ends seem to justify the means, but Mohinder doesn't know Bennet will be ok and now I'm afraid Mohinder will hit a slippery slope. His altruism is what I love about Mohinder, but I sense serious character development happening here. Matt too.


I mean, Mohinder with a shoulder holster...who woulda thought?



Plus, Mohinder did betray Bennet despite his reasons I think he'll with figuratively beat himself up over it.

lol...yeah...not sure why, but seeing Noah dead gave me the greatest heart attack of my life. I mean, I saw the painting and all, but still...i still freaked.

I highly agree with you.

Yeah i really expected the painting of him holding the gun to turn out to be something else.

I hate Mohinder now.

I like the way the episode ended, it was similar to the end of episode 3 in season 1.

yeah I felt sorry for Mohinder and I agree all he wanted to do is stop the virus from spreading so he felt that the only way to do that was kill Noah so they could take Claire....but I knew he wasn't going to die but for some reason I thought that was gonna happen....

but what made me cry though (and I know its off topic but whatever) was when Hiro was saying bye to his father and how he said he was proud of him..it broke my heart when he said he'd never time traveled before it made it seemed like he always wanted to do it

Always did. NOW I always will.

Mohinder will always be a good guy. And I believe since HRG's going "good guy" he'll at some point forgive Mohinder because he knows what Mohinder is made of.

Since Mohinder's always been my favorite character (hmmm, big surprise) I absolutely loved this episode. His internal turmoil is insane. He knows they need Claire but he is desperate to find some way, any way that doesn't involve killing Noah. Poor guy.

I loved being able to see the thoughts going through his head. Looking in the mirror at himself with the gun holster, wondering what he was turning into - staring up at Noah about to kill him, thinking he was wrong, he had misjudged, and then Noah letting him go - that moment in the parking lot where all he had to be thinking was the painting - and sitting in the back of the Company van trying to come to terms with what he's done. Insane.

I'm really curious where they take his character from here on out. But geez, they've taken a lot of risks with allowing him to change since season 1, and I find that incredibly awesome.


...I'm also a lot happier with myself now that both he and Noah have survived that episode. Those two are my top 2 and having them threatening each other for an hour wrecks havoc on my nerves!

That's what I love about HRG and Mohinder, they don't have powers, but they are two of the most well-developed characters and they work so well together (as characters, obviously not as people)


But I would have hated Mohinder if he hadn't shot HRG (hear me out before you send the dogs after me) Mohinder is desperate to stop this virus, he really wants to help people, but he needed to figure out how far he'd go to do it. Besides HRG is alive. I sense some serious heat between these two when they meet up again.

Mohinder is definitely no angel. Has everyone forgot the time he tried to kill Sylar? He calculatively planned it out, leading him to that lady with the super hearing knowing that Sylar would kill and steal her powers. I mean, if that's not at least a little 'morally gray', I don't know what is!

I'd say, of all the characters (even Bob), Mohinder can be the one we can rely on to be for the "greater good...within reason." except for when it touches on daddy issues, of course.

When he shot NOAH I was like WTF... *shouted* You can't kill him...

Anyway glad Noah is OK!

Yep Mohinder and Noah are great characters indeed, I must admit I was pretty shocked when he actually shot him.

Mohinder has a good aim

I want claire to go on a vengance mission and go after mohinder and the lot.

I still hate that west guy though. Dunno why, his character is just annoying.

btw- willing to bet they will prevent noah from getting back to his family somehow. like his mind would have been wiped or something.

or they just keep him locked up

Yeah, I'm guessing they keep him there instead of wiping his memory.

im quite annoyed at mohinder for shooting him though, have sum sympathy man
i thought they were team m8s

I'm disappointed he survived.

It was a classic death scene. It should have ended right there.

Hmmm. West looked pretty badass in black next to Noah at the daughter exchange. I don't think I like him either, but I think he and Noah made peace with each other for now. Because Claires sorrow is West's sorrow.

Moe is such inept guy, I don't think he knows which side to belong to, or what is right or what is wrong (but then again, neither do we, really!).

He doesn't have the abilty to be deceitful like the rest of the characters. Noah is the best at that.

Notice how he used West to think Claire was in trouble when Moe told him the wrong location of West???

Mohinder is scum, there is no good reason for killing a good moral girl's father to save the life of someone like Nikki Sanders.

He blatantly killed a man that knew a hell of a lot more about the Company than himself and yet didn't trust his word and went further to betray that trust by shooting him in the eye.

Noah should've killed him when he had the chance!

I agree. he wants to kill HRG to save Nikki. Why the hell can't he just get Nikki and take her to HRG / Claire and cure her? Instead of getting Claire for Bob? He said he wants to do what's right, right? So he just wants to cure Nikki. Wht can't he just ask Noah for some of the blood or better yet, bring Nikki to Noah.


NO. HRG must live!!!!

HRG Movement...

Question:
Near the end of the episode when elle was in the car with bob and mohinder. was she angry with mohinder and her dad for killing claires dad?

Nah. Doubt she gave half a piss about Bennet.

I'd say she was more angry with what he told her when he had her tied to the chair...about her father experimenting on her.

He didn't know it was Sylar until after Sylar killed the lady with hearing powers. Mohinder doesn't really use other people to achieve his own goals.

Him killing HRG, IMO, was simply bad writing. He had no reason to shoot HRG especially after he had seen that West was able to talk HRG down into shooting him.

It makes sense since this time around, Noah was absolutely determined on killing Bob (even giving a reason relating to Claire, who is someone Noah protects irrationally) and nobody was going to be able to talk him out of that one. Also, it is a reactive response since Noah was about to kill Bob, and possibly Elle. And it's sort of in character for Mohinder as is 'north-pointing moral compass' since he'd see Noah's act as being wrong since it is to actively harm as opposed to self defense.

Mohinder killed Noah not only because Noah was going to kill Bob but because he wanted to destroy the Company entirely, and Mohinder sees two things that Noah doesn't: 1. there happens to be a virus out there. This isn't simply "do I save Noah or do I save Niki?" but rather greater: what if Niki infected more people, and they need more of Claire's blood, but the Company no longer exists and the Bennets have vanished off the map, so they can't find them, and therefore the virus cannot be stopped? 2. He sees the Company as redeemable. Noah knows all the evil that comes from it, all the harm, all the killing and worse things. Mohinder's experience is that he has been able to make Bob change his policy on several points. He sees the Company's ability to do right and the possibility that they can be saved, corrected. We (the audience) know how long a shot that is, of course, and doubt Mohinder's ability to do it, but that doesn't change the fact that he sees it's possible. And to be frank, if anyone could 'save' the Company then he's the one.

About the Sylar affair. He believed he was travelling with Zane until AFTER Sylar achieved superhearing, started acting (more) odd (than usual), and then he subsequently discovered the death of the REAL Zane. That's where daddy issues take over. His personal vendetta IS a situation you COULD call morally gray, but certainly not on the level of HRG or Bob.

I thought him shooting Noah was excellent writing. Character change due to circumstances like that is brilliant. At the end of this season he both will and won't be the same person he was at the beginning... and if there was ever going to be justification for him killing someone, this would be it.

I found it funny when Mohinder shot Noah because when he was falling his arms had somehow got from pointing a gun down at Bob's face to being in the air. I just found it funny the way he was falling.

I'm glad neither of them are dead. But atleast the painting came true, which makes me think will the big bomb still go off? All of Isaac's paintings have come true.

Precisely...

Everyone thinks that Isaacs painting referrred to Peter exploding and was therefore wrong...

But it *could* be another, more devastating explosion!

Mohinder was just testing the gun LOL

remember when he looked at himself in the mirror wearing the holster (or whatever you call it - idk)
maybe he was thinking, wow I'm a bad a** doctor! Wonder if this gun actually works?

LOL


I hate Mohinder now. He's so gullible... he can't think well, so how would he know he's doing the right thing?

I always thought of Mohinder as a good guy.
But now, although he shot Noah for a bigger cause, I fu*king hate Mohinder.
Man when he had that gun to Mohinder's face, I was like ''cmon shoot shoot that bastard''

And later on when he shot Noah, I was cursing at my screen like a mad man


But when Noah came back to life, I have never felt so happy, and have never reacted like I did today.
I was like in a craze of happiness when I saw Noah alive.


Mannnnnn Noah is a badass,good guy. Shared nummer 1 with Peter of favourite hero.

Heh... I think quite the opposite: along with Nathan, he's one of the most clear-thinking characters on this show. It's why I like the both of them so much.

Yeah Bennet getting shot by Mohinder, of all people, was absolutely shocking to say the least. Who the hell does he think he is taking another man's life. Mohinder just pissed off the wrong guy. Bennet will have his vengeance. He'll show him how it really feels to have hot lead ripping through his brains when he least expects it.

YEA YEA

SAVE HRG MOVEMENT!!!

yeh mohinder will get his a** kicked, just like when he tried to kill sylar.

That being said, I'm kind of surprised that Mohinder actually came out victorious in that confrontation. Is it just me or has every single time Mohinder been in a fight before this, he ALWAYS loses and gets the crap kicked out of him?

I will never say that Mohinder can kill HGR... It was big suprise for me...
But i think that in this episode is one big mistake... Claire in 1st season can't regenerate when she has injured brain, so why HGR can regenerate (with help of Clair's blood) when he has injured brain (headshot) ???

Both Peter and Claire 'died' due to a specific injury to the *back* of the head...
Thats why, in Season 1, when Peter gives the gun to Claire in the final showdown scenes, he checks with her to make sure she knows that to kill him he has to be shot through the back of the head...

HRG 'died' due to a gunshot through the eye...

NOT a fatal area if you are a Hero!!

No personal offense intended, but this is exactly the kind of language people used to laugh at Mohinder when he took Molly back to the Company. I recall all sorts of dark, doom-filled predictions, and mockery of that choice - everything from he and Matt never seeing her again to her being used as some kind of colateral. The last I saw of her, she was happily back in the MMM apartment and quite free of the Company's "oh-so-evil" plans.

Parallel situation: Mohinder makes a choice trusting in the inherent goodness of someone or something that has proven itself capable of twisting and bending that goodness to suit their purposes. We all point, laugh, and mock - and he ends up right, again. Who gets the last laugh?

I highly doubt HRG hates Mohinder for shooting him. It isn't his style at all. The man who shot him was exactly the same man as the one who had threatened him earlier, who had as HRG called it "gone native," and he had already made the decision not to kill him. If Noah harbors any resentment for Mohinder above and beyond "you're in with the Company, the scum who want my daughter" I will frankly be very surprised indeed.

For a man who will do anything to save his daughter from the likes of the company, I'd think Bennet would be more than just angry that Mohinder, of all people, betrayed his trust into taking away his daughter to the point of actually killing him. Granted Bennet doesn't know about the virus, but this just makes him all the more enraged at Mohinder taking away his daughter, or thats what he thinks. It's not just about his daughter anymore, it's personal. It's about Mohinder going against everything Bennet stood for, his views, his family, and his daughter, and that Mohinder as a friend would actually shoot him dead without feeling of everything they've achieved together going so far as to side with Bob over him. All this reinforces the fact that Mohinder is no longer a friend but an enemy, and a very real threat to both himself and his family. To say that Bennet would just shrug this death-defying experience off and to go about thinking Mohinder as before is just simply ludicrous.


If killing, not a friend or a relative, but the guy himself stone cold isn't enough reason for revenge than I don't know what is.

Point of the above post was that Mohinder's done things that have been commonly called stupid of him before, only for them to work out to his advantage. Helping Molly. Gaining Bob's trust. (Or would you rather Bob had Elle take down Noah at range...?) I don't see any signs that this situation would be at all different.


Curious what HRG's reaction would be if

1 - the Company subsequently didn't pursue Claire, and
2 - Mohinder was responsible for using Claire's blood on HRG

same thing? Go kill him, if he could?


...this is what I love 'bout heroes

Your point of your argument is that Mohinder's actions will somehow work out in favour to him and that Bennet will not take revenge. Am I missing something here? In the case of your assumptions which you pulled out of your arse, until Bennet were to find out about these things, he'd be thinking about payback one way or another. Who's to say the events will unfold in a completely different manner? Judging on the events that have occurred it is fair to say that Bennet will be understandably enraged at Mohinder and will be seeking some sort of retribution.

I am surprised by the negativity against mohinder. All those stuff about mohinder being evil, I think it is just an over-reaction. All you HRG fans should consider the fact that HRG have murdered a Russian guy to protect his daughter. That Russian guy has a familty too you know, wouldn't they feel the same as how HRG would feel if he lost his daughter? And since when did murdering another person to protect another is justifiable? I said that for mohinder as well. He could have shot HRG on his leg or arm, to avoid killing him but still manage to stop him. Nonetheless, I just want to say that HRG ain't no angel either, so lay off Mohinder guys.

If Bennet had been at any point in the past the kind of person who sought personal retribution, I'd agree with you. But not even when he originally quit the Company did he go out of his way to kill the people who'd set him on that path. Everything he did was directed towards saving Claire. Now, I will certainly grant that when Bennet wakes up, he'd definitely have Mohinder somewhere near the top of his hit list (along with Bob)- simply because he knows Mohinder wants Claire in the company and there's no way Bennet is going to let that happen. Personal revenge, though? It seems rather unlike Bennet. He, of all people, knows how the Company works: how it changes people, makes them take step after step down roads they don't want to follow. Remember Claude?

I'm not suggesting they'll be "bff" or something. Only that it'd be a bit shallow and rather out of character for Noah to dart off on a personal vendetta against a guy who shot him while the Company, and his daughter, are both still out there, and he's proven again and again he values Claire's freedom far above his own life.

The scene where the two meet again will be very interesting indeed, and one I am definitely looking forward to seeing, because it has to happen eventually. But I expect more confusion than rage. Now, I could be entirely wrong here, but IMO Noah's misjudgement in that last scene was either (1) similar to the fingerprint moment: he saw a possibility and let his emotion cloud his better judgement, acting on it with negative results for him or (2) he didn't think Mohinder would actually be able to pull the trigger on him.

Understandable, since this is where a lot of us were this episode. That does seem a bit sloppy and naive for the HRG we know and remember. He's kick***, he doesn't underestimate anyone. He's a veteran at this game. Hello, this is HRG we're talking about. He snatches Elle, keeps her subdued, sets up this whole thing, gets his daughter back, and then gets excited at the end and forgets Bob isn't alone and Mohinder's switched sides? I mean... what?

However, if this were the case, how would he react on encountering Mohinder again? Would it be "you killed me, now I'll return the favor" like this thread suggests? HRG has never thought that way in the past. He's exhibited morally gray at every turn but it was always for some purpose. If he thought it would save Claire he'd kill anyone without a moment's consideration, he's proved that. But post-Company Noah has only killed on that account. It's part of what makes his character so powerful: he's a perfectly well-meaning person who goes to any end necessary only when his daughter's in danger.

I'm not saying he won't. What I am saying is that the general trend that he will is based more on our love of HRG as a character, and our desire to see him continue in the show, combining in an angry emotional response than any character-side motivations.

The hypothetical situation I posited in my last post wasn't what I think will happen or what I want to happen. It was merely a situation which could happen where Bennet wouldn't have any reason to want Mohinder dead. I was presenting the fact that such a situation is a possibility and cannot simply be disregarded out of hand because (1) we like the HRG character and (2) we want Mohinder dead for killing him.

Overall I'm ecstatic about the character changes this scene caused in both HRG and Mohinder, who are my favorites in the show. It'd be cheap and, to be frank, more than a little disappointing if something as ground-moving as one killing the other, and that other's subsequent return to life, was finished by him killing the first. Flat, cliche, out of character, and utterly unworthy of the quality of writing of which this show is capable.

That's all. =p

someone gets it!

I love both of those characters, but HRG was in the way of Mohinder stopping the virus. Besides, Mohinder isn't the only traitor, HRG was more than willing to sacrifice Mohinder JUST for Claire. Mohinder shot HRG to save Elle and Bob, as well as 93% of the world's population. Yea, Mohinder's a real jerk. I love HRG, but he's gone a little overboard on the protect Claire thing. I mean what is the worst that's going to happen to her, she heals. I'm on Mohinder's side this time.

I think you all have it the wrong way. It's not so much what Noah's reaction will be when he meets Mohinder again but rather Mohinder's reaction when he meets Noah again (especially if Noah winds up working for the Company). I mean, what exactly does one say to the guy you killed now that you have to work with him everyday? Somehow, I suspect 'howdy' isn't going to be appropriate.

Dang, didn't even think of that. Now, if anyone at all says 'howdy' any time next episode, I am going to break into uncontrollable laughter and have a LOT of explaining to do to my friends...

exactly what i was thinking. im really mad mohinder shot hrg. i loved mohinder b4 this but now i cant say that i totally do. i am mad at him but i wouldnt call him evil. but i cant wait to see their 1st encounter together again.

Me too! ! I believe someday he'll lead this Company, I wonder what he will do to Mohinder then...