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-sparky-
Tell you what...

For someone that doesn't appear to have seen a gun, let alone shot one, he's a hell of a good shot...

Straight through the eye from 20 feet away!
hir0
No offense, but how can you ever enjoy a show I you are thinking about little stuff like this.
Dori
QUOTE(hir0 @ Nov 21 2007, 06:49 PM) *
No offense, but how can you ever enjoy a show I you are thinking about little stuff like this.


I was wondering the same ^^
For a show who are so much things possible who really, really, can't ever be, the people are often up to very little details who doesn't really matter in my mind.
It is more possible that a amateur can have a fluke than people who fly or travel through time ^^
-sparky-
QUOTE(hir0 @ Nov 21 2007, 05:49 PM) *
No offense, but how can you ever enjoy a show I you are thinking about little stuff like this.


Its not a major concern of mine... its just an observation...

Lighten up!
Archis
LMAO....
now that u think of it,,its hilarious
but cmon...i couldnt think of any other cooller palce to hit someone for major effect..through HRG's HRG
Atheshar
I hate to quote Harry Potter but... what Harry said in the third movie, after conjuring that extraordinarily powerful Patronus: "I knew I could do it because I had already done it! Does that make any sense?"

Isaac's paintings emphasize an element of fate and an element of choice in the show. Take a look at Hiro's ending voiceover: he mentions that some things are determined by God at the same time Mohinder is looking down at the gun resting in his hands.

I'd wager that 9 times out of 10 Mohinder wouldn't be able to make that shot so perfectly - but rather that he was that accurate because he knew he would be, was fated to be: he had already done it in Isaac's precognition. Does that make any sense? =p
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Nov 21 2007, 02:51 PM) *
I hate to quote Harry Potter but... what Harry said in the third movie, after conjuring that extraordinarily powerful Patronus: "I knew I could do it because I had already done it! Does that make any sense?"

Isaac's paintings emphasize an element of fate and an element of choice in the show. Take a look at Hiro's ending voiceover: he mentions that some things are determined by God at the same time Mohinder is looking down at the gun resting in his hands.

I'd wager that 9 times out of 10 Mohinder wouldn't be able to make that shot so perfectly - but rather that he was that accurate because he knew he would be, was fated to be: he had already done it in Isaac's precognition. Does that make any sense? =p


perfect sense

QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 21 2007, 09:35 AM) *
Tell you what...

For someone that doesn't appear to have seen a gun, let alone shot one, he's a hell of a good shot...

Straight through the eye from 20 feet away!



Had a gun in S1 after he caught the company bugging his phoneline laugh.gif
ReDeemer
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 21 2007, 09:35 AM) *
Tell you what...

For someone that doesn't appear to have seen a gun, let alone shot one, he's a hell of a good shot...

Straight through the eye from 20 feet away!


It looked like he was more like 5 feet away.
Heroine
It's fate. Isaac Mendes drew it.. So no matter where he shoots HRG, it would end up in his eye anyway.
R!KKU
QUOTE(Heroine @ Nov 21 2007, 10:29 PM) *
It's fate. Isaac Mendes drew it.. So no matter where he shoots HRG, it would end up in his eye anyway.

your right
if you watch the part where he shoots if you slow it down by like -8x

you will see that the bullit goes and hits bob in the head and bounces back and his el in the head then hits west because i simple dont like west then comes down and hits the ground and hits hrg in the eye



LOL because isacc said it would mohinder could of shot a fish in the water behind him it would of found its way out of the water to go into his eye LOL
maxxann
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 22 2007, 01:35 AM) *
Tell you what...

For someone that doesn't appear to have seen a gun, let alone shot one, he's a hell of a good shot...

Straight through the eye from 20 feet away!

he wasn''t that far away. in fact, when they showed HRG on the ground, Mohinder was standing almost over him. And yes, he had a gun in the apartment in season 1. He's no weakling. Only his loyalty's weak.
-sparky-
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 22 2007, 09:07 AM) *
he wasn''t that far away. in fact, when they showed HRG on the ground, Mohinder was standing almost over him.


Well... er... thats because he walked over and stood over him!!
GeneZ
to sparky,
why are you watching heroes!?
have you seen real life?
theres no such thing as flying man.
lol.
if you can't even accept the luckiness of that shot, hell with the luckiness of evolution.
Auxii
QUOTE
I hate to quote Harry Potter but... what Harry said in the third movie, after conjuring that extraordinarily powerful Patronus: "I knew I could do it because I had already done it! Does that make any sense?"

Isaac's paintings emphasize an element of fate and an element of choice in the show. Take a look at Hiro's ending voiceover: he mentions that some things are determined by God at the same time Mohinder is looking down at the gun resting in his hands.

I'd wager that 9 times out of 10 Mohinder wouldn't be able to make that shot so perfectly - but rather that he was that accurate because he knew he would be, was fated to be: he had already done it in Isaac's precognition. Does that make any sense? =p


This has by far given me the complete understanding of this topic.
maxxann
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Nov 22 2007, 06:27 PM) *
Well... er... thats because he walked over and stood over him!!

reeeeeeeally... so if he took that shot like 15 ft away... he should've RUN to get to where HRG was at that very moment... but then, if Mohinder was like, torn between killing and being Noah's friend, he would've been in SHOCK (like in the painting he was teary eyed) and not like walk toward him after shooting him, he should've stayed stuck where he was, too shocked to move. (like in the van when they were driving away, he was looking at the gun like he couldn't believe what he had just done.)

that would've been in real life, Sparky.
-sparky-
QUOTE(maxxann @ Nov 22 2007, 01:30 PM) *
reeeeeeeally... so if he took that shot like 15 ft away... he should've RUN to get to where HRG was at that very moment... but then, if Mohinder was like, torn between killing and being Noah's friend, he would've been in SHOCK (like in the painting he was teary eyed) and not like walk toward him after shooting him, he should've stayed stuck where he was, too shocked to move. (like in the van when they were driving away, he was looking at the gun like he couldn't believe what he had just done.)

that would've been in real life, Sparky.


Mohinder was standing 5-10 feet behind Bob who had rushed to catch Elle after
Noah shot her... He then shot over the top of the kneeling Bob in order to disable/kill
Noah...

Remember the slow motion bit of Noah collapsing on the floor having been shot?
Its filmed in slow motion so that YOU can see that there is no-one else in frame...
Thus disproving your point that Mohinder was standing over him when he fell to the floor.

And even so, if Mohinder had been standing over Noah when he shot him don't you
think that he would be seen in the painting of the scene?

QUOTE(GeneZ @ Nov 22 2007, 11:22 AM) *
to sparky,
why are you watching heroes!?
have you seen real life?
theres no such thing as flying man.
lol.
if you can't even accept the luckiness of that shot, hell with the luckiness of evolution.


I actually find it quite amusing how some people get
really hot under the collar about little things like this!!

I made an amusing observation and since then people
have been argueing the ethics, the science, the
I-know-exactly-what-happennedness about it...

Its a TV show people!! Be cool!!

Haha...
msmarvel
I just love that people are quoting Harry Potter. Sweet. That's all parents need is how HP explained how an amatuer gunman can hit someone square in the eye.
Atheshar
Meh, basic arguing device. I assumed more people had seen HP than had seen Heroes and therefore that someone who had seen Heroes had a good chance of seeing HP. If you prefer I can quote you half a dozen other renowned books from Brooks's fantasy to Shakespeare with the same answer, but as they're less immediately accessible to popular culture I decided against the essay. Different mediums with entirely different circumstances pointing to the same essential fate/free will problem. (One of the coolest addressed in literature, imo.)

I do agree though, and admit I didn't even think of it that way - laughed pretty hard. I'm going to have to show that to my brother, he'd get a kick out of it!
thedave
QUOTE(Auxii @ Nov 22 2007, 03:45 AM) *
I hate to quote Harry Potter but... what Harry said in the third movie, after conjuring that extraordinarily powerful Patronus: "I knew I could do it because I had already done it! Does that make any sense?"

Isaac's paintings emphasize an element of fate and an element of choice in the show. Take a look at Hiro's ending voiceover: he mentions that some things are determined by God at the same time Mohinder is looking down at the gun resting in his hands.

I'd wager that 9 times out of 10 Mohinder wouldn't be able to make that shot so perfectly - but rather that he was that accurate because he knew he would be, was fated to be: he had already done it in Isaac's precognition. Does that make any sense? =p


Makes perfect sense. FWIW, I've seen folks who've *never* shot a gun in their lives hit the "x" ring first time on the range. Granted, they couldn't do it again immediately afterward, but there it is. Anyone can get lucky.

Your point about Isaac's paintings is a good one. Sure, the paintings indicated that NYC was "fated" to be ground zero for a nuke. But, if the right choices were made, then that "fate" could be avoided. Messin' around with time and prophecy is dangerous, though.... Ask any serious RPGer. Heh.

Balance

the Dave
Atheshar
QUOTE(thedave @ Nov 24 2007, 09:40 PM) *
Messin' around with time and prophecy is dangerous, though.... Ask any serious RPGer. Heh.

Don't have to ask one... I am one! Point very well taken.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(thedave @ Nov 24 2007, 09:40 PM) *
Your point about Isaac's paintings is a good one. Sure, the paintings indicated that NYC was "fated" to be ground zero for a nuke. But, if the right choices were made, then that "fate" could be avoided. Messin' around with time and prophecy is dangerous, though.... Ask any serious RPGer. Heh.


i don't know...Crono and his buddies did a decent job laugh.gif
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