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Got Heroes > Heroes: Episode Discussion > Volume Two: Generations > Chapter 10 - "Truth & Consequences"
Vorenus
Ok lets not talk about the fact that if Hiro never went back in time, then Adam would not be all wacked out and evil.

But when Hiro went back in time and watched his father and Victoria Talk about the virus. She was holding what was apparently the only existing stran of the deadly virus.

Why didnt he just freeze time take the virus, teleport out and then destroy the virus. That would have solved the whole thing.

Kensi would not have had a virus to be obssed over getting, the big secret of the older generation of heroes would not have the guilt of that mistake on them.

And the big one, 93% of the world would not die mellow.gif

It seems silly to just find out the information from them in the past and then go back to the present where the problem is the virus and try to solve it then in the present.

I would hope this is due to having to end the season way early, and not that hiro is that stupid.
Atheshar
I thought the point of the whole Charlie thing was that Hiro can't change the past... because if he had the present wouldn't have happened as it had happened. =/
Silentsoto
well lets not go that far in the past, when he saw Adams face when i tackled Kaito over the building, he could've took his head off there, or even teleport to the ground and do it there.
Trixie Prower
that and his father may have been a different person, not gone to the same places, he may have never met Hiro's mother, unless they were already married, still it's kinda risky, I'd be scared of changing the past so I wouldn't have been born, that or a time-rift by his altering even more of the past.
Vitamin D
Then again, Hiro also could of prevented it if he never stole Kensei's girl.
Trixie Prower
Yeah, but he told Kensei he'd leave her alone and Kensei still wanted revenge, he probably shouldn't have stayed longer and went back to Aundo after he said he would on the note. :/
Vitamin D
QUOTE(Trixie Prower @ Dec 1 2007, 06:08 PM) *
Yeah, but he told Kensei he'd leave her alone and Kensei still wanted revenge, he probably shouldn't have stayed longer and went back to Aundo after he said he would on the note. :/

Yeah but the damage was already done. Because even if Kensei said "ok" to that, Kensei would most likely be worried if Hiro would do it again? Or if she would of done that as well.
maxxann
QUOTE(Vorenus @ Dec 2 2007, 07:38 AM) *
Ok lets not talk about the fact that if Hiro never went back in time, then Adam would not be all wacked out and evil.


I'm guessing that Kaito and the others PLANNED this to happen, they want Hiro to go back to 1671 to confront Adam. Even if Hiro wasnt there, Adam would've been the same bad guy, he was a drunkard and everybody hated him, because he was a swindler also.

scene w/ Hiro in the past: Adam became bad because Hiro stole his girl.
scene w/o Hiro: Adam becomes bad because he was a con man, doing things for money.




QUOTE(Vorenus @ Dec 2 2007, 07:38 AM) *
But when Hiro went back in time and watched his father and Victoria Talk about the virus. She was holding what was apparently the only existing stran of the deadly virus.

Why didnt he just freeze time take the virus, teleport out and then destroy the virus. That would have solved the whole thing.

Kensi would not have had a virus to be obssed over getting, the big secret of the older generation of heroes would not have the guilt of that mistake on them.

And the big one, 93% of the world would not die mellow.gif

It seems silly to just find out the information from them in the past and then go back to the present where the problem is the virus and try to solve it then in the present.

I would hope this is due to having to end the season way early, and not that hiro is that stupid.


As Hiro said to Ando: You're right, Ando, I cannot save him, but I can learn who killed him.

Hiro learned this thru kaito when his father said they had the power of Gods but they cannot play Gods. He also learned that even if he changes the past, the future will still come in a different path but still same result, this he learned with Charlie.
Isn't it mind boggling that NY didn't blow up, but now is threatened with a virus? Still same result but different path...
Enigma
QUOTE(maxxann @ Dec 2 2007, 05:10 AM) *
Hiro learned this thru kaito when his father said they had the power of Gods but they cannot play Gods. He also learned that even if he changes the past, the future will still come in a different path but still same result, this he learned with Charlie.
Isn't it mind boggling that NY didn't blow up, but now is threatened with a virus? Still same result but different path...


basically everything i was gonna say was just said... hiro changed the past once and only once, and that took years and years of planning, newspaper articles, and string! if hiro were to attempt to change anything else on any other trip, the present and future wouldnt have happened as they are supposed to thus ruining the time line and time/space itself.
Vorenus
QUOTE(Enigma @ Dec 2 2007, 03:52 PM) *
basically everything i was gonna say was just said... hiro changed the past once and only once, and that took years and years of planning, newspaper articles, and string! if hiro were to attempt to change anything else on any other trip, the present and future wouldnt have happened as they are supposed to thus ruining the time line and time/space itself.


I just have to disagree. If your goal is to travel back in time to stop kensi from releasing a virus. and you just so happen to go back to the exact day when, the only known strain of the virus, is right in front of you and you dont do anything, its just beyond stupid, or poor poor writing.

by preventing adam from releasing the virus you would prevent the future that peter saw.

So wether he does it in the past or the present, it is all with the intention of changing the future where most of the world is killed by the virus. My point is, if you are trying to change the future, why not do it when it is easy for you to do it.

Same could be said for why didnt Hiro just go into the past to find sylar before he was powerful. Kill him when he is a geeky teen, why travel back in time to tell peter to save the cheerleader. why not just travle back and kill sylar?

I just think the writers gave hiro a power that is a bit too godly. Its impossible to have him use the power over time flawlessly because you would be left with no show at all. Hiro could fix any problem by going back in time, if he truly used his power to the full.
Enigma
if hiro stops the virus from happening in the past he could then impact something that would effect NY exploding in the future... every action hiro makes has a reaction to something in the present/future. if he makes one wrong move then he could obliterate time and space. now of course there will be instances of poor writing or things that dont necessairly make sense since time travel is IMO extremley hard to write. but at least as i see it, if hiro goes back and kills sylar as a teenager or just steals the virus he is affecting years and years of civilization and anything could happen that could be just as bad or worse.
Vorenus
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if hiro stops the virus from happening in the past he could then impact something that would effect NY exploding in the future... every action hiro makes has a reaction to something in the present/future. if he makes one wrong move then he could obliterate time and space. now of course there will be instances of poor writing or things that dont necessairly make sense since time travel is IMO extremley hard to write. but at least as i see it, if hiro goes back and kills sylar as a teenager or just steals the virus he is affecting years and years of civilization and anything could happen that could be just as bad or worse.


what is worse that? 93% of the population being killed by a virus? and even if the bomb still goes off 1 city vs. 93 percent of the world is an acceptable loss.

like i said, if hiro used his powers to the full there would be no show.

Control over time > anything else.
Atheshar
You just answered your own question...

Hiro has gone back and effectively changed the past once, with his "save the cheerleader - save the world." Now, what was the result? What was originally .07% of the population dead is now 93%.

Imagine if he goes back into the past again to effectively change it and stop the virus. 93% could easily become 100% and a supernova just for kicks.

Nothing is as simple as it looks and I think the Kaito and Charlie experiences are teaching Hiro that meddling with the past is not only impractical, but dangerous.
maxxann
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Dec 3 2007, 09:05 AM) *
You just answered your own question...

Hiro has gone back and effectively changed the past once, with his "save the cheerleader - save the world." Now, what was the result? What was originally .07% of the population dead is now 93%.

Imagine if he goes back into the past again to effectively change it and stop the virus. 93% could easily become 100% and a supernova just for kicks.

Nothing is as simple as it looks and I think the Kaito and Charlie experiences are teaching Hiro that meddling with the past is not only impractical, but dangerous.


True, I agree with Atheshar. This is what I earlier posted. What will happen will happen, only in a different path. So even if Hiro changes the past, kill sylar, get the virus, let Adam alone, something is bound to happen but it will take a different course.

other than that, there would be no tv show. It will just be "Hiro's bogus journey" ... tongue.gif
saz1
so in short term,
hiro can only watch the past
maxxann
QUOTE(saz1 @ Dec 3 2007, 10:38 AM) *
so in short term,
hiro can only watch the past


Oh he can change it, but as I've said, it's not without consequences. And I think Hiro is extremely careful this time.
deckstor
he learnt from his dad that it is not ethical to play God and change everything that has happened.

yes, he can change the past, as we see in season 1 when he told peter to save the cheerleader, but he knows that there are some things he cannot do in order not to play God, and hence return to the present to change things.
saz1
so he can but should not change the past...
Archis
maybe this was the way everyhitng was supposed to happen!!!
Cloud43
Its just we can't have Hiro changing everything by going back in time. It would be an easy way to solve problems. For example, why doesn't Hiro go back in time and kill Sylar when Sylar was a watchmaker? Because it would be stupid!
Tazh
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Dec 2 2007, 01:00 AM) *
I thought the point of the whole Charlie thing was that Hiro can't change the past... because if he had the present wouldn't have happened as it had happened. =/


That was also my thought, otherwise Adam would stil have lived, just as a drunken Ninja in the 20th...
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