One_Hiro
Dec 3 2007, 07:35 PM
Since 95% of my HEROES predictions come true, I saw it fit that I answers the tons of questions that many of you HEROICS will have about this VERY cliffhanging episode. But let me start with what I think will be some FAQ's;
-What did Anglea mean when she said; "You know you've opended Pandoras Box." ?
I think this line has a double meaning;
One being the fact that the vault that the Shanti virus was stored in was pryed open by Peter (whom no one seemingly can stop) and all the artifacts held inside are clues and peices that define the history of the 12/company. With Peter, Matt, Hiro, and Nathan (IF he survives) knowing of these secrets, they can only hope but to find answers.
Two being the fact that the general public was almost let in on the secrets of the past and now with Nathan being shot on national television, this will surely draw the intrest of the US goverment and might lead to the exposing of those with abilities in a season to come.
-How did Hiro burry Adam alive?
Froze time. Dug a grave. Put Adam in it.
The DOKTOR
Dec 3 2007, 07:39 PM
You came up with these answers ALONE ? You must have some kind of power yourself...
Silentsoto
Dec 3 2007, 07:42 PM
Who shot Nathan?
What will become of Noah?
Atheshar
Dec 3 2007, 07:51 PM
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Dec 3 2007, 07:42 PM)

Who shot Nathan?
What will become of Noah?
Just my opinion, but I believe those two questions answer each other
One_Hiro
Dec 3 2007, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Dec 3 2007, 09:42 PM)

Who shot Nathan?
What will become of Noah?
Who shot Nathan?Obviously an Agent for the Company, I would say Drucker or maybe that Knox fellow? I doubt that it was Noah...again...unless he can teleport...theres no way he can get from California to Texas in a matter of hours.
What will become of Noah?He will work with the company, against his will obviously, but he will work for Bob until his debt with the Company is paid off. Meaning until he leads Bob to something that Bob needs/wants that Noah knows about.
Ascendancy
Dec 3 2007, 08:03 PM
Well I think the whole Adam thing was pretty self-explanatory (and amazingly awesome on Hiro's part).
I personally think that Noah shot Nathan. It definitely looked like it was him as he walked away, and it would make sense that that was his assignment from The Company.
My questions are Who are the other villians? What's going to happen with Micah and Monica with Nikki gone? I'm really looking forward to Volume 3.
Silentsoto
Dec 3 2007, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Dec 3 2007, 07:51 PM)

Just my opinion, but I believe those two questions answer each other

Yeah i know it was suppose to be subtle sarcasm. lol
One_Hiro
Dec 3 2007, 08:17 PM
Who are the other villians?
Look for Drucker (a relative of Hana aka Wireless) to make his live action debut. The guy who controls insects, and there is someone else but I'm not quite sure who.
What's going to happen with Micah and Monica with Nikki gone?
Micah and Monica will likely go on to persue superhero dreams and extract revenge on the guys who were responsible with Nikki's death. But I think Monica will become a major character next season.
Maldito Ninja
Dec 3 2007, 08:20 PM
I dont think it was Noah.
TrueDevotion
Dec 3 2007, 10:33 PM
Is West gone?
Will Elle turn to the "good" side?
Is it possible, that since Peter absorbed Adam's power, that he could inject his own blood into Nathan and save him?
Rodders
Dec 3 2007, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(TrueDevotion @ Dec 4 2007, 06:33 AM)

Is it possible, that since Peter absorbed Adam's power, that he could inject his own blood into Nathan and save him?
hypathetically, yes. but wouldnt nathan then get other powers of peters?
also, would peter think of that?
abd where would they get the needle?
Strength
Dec 3 2007, 10:43 PM
QUOTE(One_Hiro @ Dec 3 2007, 09:35 PM)

Since 95% of my HEROES predictions come true, I saw it fit that I answers the tons of questions that many of you HEROICS will have about this VERY cliffhanging episode. But let me start with what I think will be some FAQ's;
-What did Anglea mean when she said; "You know you've opended Pandoras Box." ?
I think this line has a double meaning;
One being the fact that the vault that the Shanti virus was stored in was pryed open by Peter (whom no one seemingly can stop) and all the artifacts held inside are clues and peices that define the history of the 12/company. With Peter, Matt, Hiro, and Nathan (IF he survives) knowing of these secrets, they can only hope but to find answers.
Two being the fact that the general public was almost let in on the secrets of the past and now with Nathan being shot on national television, this will surely draw the intrest of the US goverment and might lead to the exposing of those with abilities in a season to come.
-How did Hiro burry Adam alive?
Froze time. Dug a grave. Put Adam in it.
Yes how did Hiro bury Adam alive? I imagine he needs air and oxygen to breathe his brain has to stop functioning at that point. I don't think he'll be buried for long. I just don't see how he can survive without oxygen to the brain
misshonest20
Dec 3 2007, 10:48 PM
QUOTE(Rodders @ Dec 3 2007, 10:39 PM)

hypathetically, yes. but wouldnt nathan then get other powers of peters?
I thought the same thing, but if Nathan did recieve all of the powers how would he handle it? I mean Peter absorbed powers one at a time ( I think?) and he couldn't even control it in the end. Nathan wouldn't be able to handle everything, wouldn't he explode? I don't think peter wants to risk that.
If Nathan is dead, I'm sure were going to have one hell of a pissed off Peter on our hands...who knows the dammage he'll do now to avenge his brother's death.
deckstor
Dec 3 2007, 10:50 PM
peter could revive nathan easily, with his own blood.
and he doesnt have to do it immediately after he was shot. all he needs to do is go somewhere private and transfer blood.
nathan may still be alive in volume 3 i guess?
adam may die due to lack of oxygen.
or, he may be bored to death. lol.
but most likely, he may be released.
Strength
Dec 3 2007, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(deckstor @ Dec 4 2007, 12:50 AM)

peter could revive nathan easily, with his own blood.
and he doesnt have to do it immediately after he was shot. all he needs to do is go somewhere private and transfer blood.
nathan may still be alive in volume 3 i guess?
adam may die due to lack of oxygen.
or, he may be bored to death. lol.
but most likely, he may be released.
peter = pandora's box
there's a possibility peter will be after the company as will sylar as will adam ( I hope )
bringing about the ultimate villain trio ..ah one can hope
LadyAvisynh
Dec 3 2007, 10:57 PM
QUOTE(deckstor @ Dec 3 2007, 10:50 PM)

peter could revive nathan easily, with his own blood.
and he doesnt have to do it immediately after he was shot. all he needs to do is go somewhere private and transfer blood.
I REALLY hope that happens. If he never comes back I'll never watch it again.
Rodders
Dec 3 2007, 10:58 PM
thats it!!!!! i've worked it!!!! they're gunna do a D.L on us.
we start season 3 4 months later, there all at nathans funeral or somethingm then we'll hav another epi like 4 months ago and it will turn out that peter saved nathan, only to have him die by absorbing all those powers, he explodes and blows up odessa or summit
also, hiro will take pity on adam, he'll re-freeze time, re dig the hole, open up the casket, put a few dozen crosswords in there and a few pens, he'll then put everything back
vwalla!!
money
Dec 3 2007, 11:04 PM
i kinda wish they showed more of a conclusion between hiro and adam, instead of just teleporting and then we see hiro at work and adam in the coffin. hopefully in volume 3 we will learn more about how that really went down, and i believe adam will somehow get out.
that person who shot nathan, if he is to be one of the new major villains is he going to be just a normal person as he shot nathan instead of using powers? although he could have shot him instead of using his powers to keep the abilities secret, volume 3 will be interesting i just wish the writers strike will end soon
maxxann
Dec 3 2007, 11:15 PM
QUOTE(Rodders @ Dec 4 2007, 02:58 PM)

thats it!!!!! i've worked it!!!! they're gunna do a D.L on us.
we start season 3 4 months later, there all at nathans funeral or somethingm then we'll hav another epi like 4 months ago and it will turn out that peter saved nathan, only to have him die by absorbing all those powers, he explodes and blows up odessa or summit
also, hiro will take pity on adam, he'll re-freeze time, re dig the hole, open up the casket, put a few dozen crosswords in there and a few pens, he'll then put everything back
vwalla!!
don't get too excited...
that's a little far fetched.
nathan will NOT absorb peter's power even if he revives him with his blood. Would that mean that HRG has claire's rapid cell regeneration too? And if the blood transfers power, then nathan would have regenerated because Adam healed him when he was burnt. That would be totally overkill.
QUOTE(Rodders @ Dec 4 2007, 02:39 PM)

hypathetically, yes. but wouldnt nathan then get other powers of peters?
also, would peter think of that?
abd where would they get the needle?
NO, Nathan will not get Peter's power even if injected by his blood. He didn't get Adam's when he was injected with Adam's blood... if he did, then he wouldn't have been hurt. Totally overkill.
annie
Dec 4 2007, 02:32 AM
QUOTE(One_Hiro @ Dec 4 2007, 02:54 PM)

Who shot Nathan?
Obviously an Agent for the Company, I would say Drucker or maybe that Knox fellow? I doubt that it was Noah...again...unless he can teleport...theres no way he can get from California to Texas in a matter of hours.
QUOTE(Garcian Smith)
I honestly believe that it was
Angela Petrelli . Even though the other thread tries to prove otherwise with pictures, I believe that it was her. She was definately distraught enough and I believe the image is a shadow - not a beard on a man.
Hmmm.... still alot to think about!!
I can't believe Sylar's back....
GenetiCDisasteR
Dec 4 2007, 02:47 AM
QUOTE
i kinda wish they showed more of a conclusion between hiro and adam, instead of just teleporting and then we see hiro at work and adam in the coffin. hopefully in volume 3 we will learn more about how that really went down, and i believe adam will somehow get out.
or maybe a graphic novel telling us what happened!
well, maybe not.. but anyway, this was an awesome episode and i cant wait for the next season!
qinrawks
Dec 4 2007, 06:50 AM
QUOTE(Rodders @ Dec 4 2007, 02:58 PM)

thats it!!!!! i've worked it!!!! they're gunna do a D.L on us.
we start season 3 4 months later, there all at nathans funeral or somethingm then we'll hav another epi like 4 months ago and it will turn out that peter saved nathan, only to have him die by absorbing all those powers, he explodes and blows up odessa or summit
also, hiro will take pity on adam, he'll re-freeze time, re dig the hole, open up the casket, put a few dozen crosswords in there and a few pens, he'll then put everything back
vwalla!!
That's pretty cool!! Yeah Hiro might do that, from time to time until he (Hiro dies). Then it's, TOO BAD ADAM!
QUOTE(annie @ Dec 4 2007, 06:32 PM)

I honestly believe that it was Angela Petrelli . Even though the other thread tries to prove otherwise with pictures, I believe that it was her. She was definately distraught enough and I believe the image is a shadow - not a beard on a man.
Hmmm.... still alot to think about!!
I can't believe Sylar's back....
I don't think it was Noah, or Angela Petrelli. But Angela definitely knew something about it. It could be one of the 12, or one of their disciples. We still don't know them all.
I hope Nathan isn't dead. Peter saw Adam heal Nathan using his blood once. Maybe he'll do the same. Why is it that at the end of every volume we're left wondering if Nathan is dead??
My questions.
Is the one who saw Nathan/Matt/Peter caught on video in the vault the same guy as the one who shot them?
What are the items in the vault and what do they represent? Sword, brain, cards, virus (destroyed), horse statue thingy...
Questions alot
Dec 4 2007, 12:07 PM
IF peter saves nathan by sharing his blood yea he will be healed but not get his powers. if it is as simple to pass powers through blood the company would have known and made SUPER HEREOS. Yea there's peter ( SUPER HERO) but thats his power to absorb. the writers wouldn't make it that simple to pass powers. So nathan is going to be healed but no powers are going to be passed.
Ascendancy
Dec 4 2007, 01:49 PM
Well technically, couldn't Nathan still regenerate from the blood that he got from Adam?
As for the Angela Petrelli shooting Nathan: No. I can easily see how she was a part of it, or at least knew it was going to happen, but there's no way that she did it.
In a sad way, I hope that Nathan doesn't get revived. I just don't like how people die, and come back, and die, and come back. Also, I kind of home they do get rid of a few characters. As sad as it would be, it would definitely make the stories more interesting when there isn't 5 different sub-plots going one.
Also, what about Caitlin? You would have thought that Peter would have gone back for her right away. I'm guessing he still will, but they should have brought that to a conclusion.
Triton
Dec 4 2007, 03:05 PM
If Peter doesn't revive Nathan with his own blood then he really must be stupid, I mean even Adam told Peter he had the same ability as him.
yow4
Dec 4 2007, 03:35 PM
I was predicting that Hiro would take Adam back to his worst nightmare.....back 400 years and make him relive it... and essentially taking Adam out of the equation and preventing the release of the virus. Also...what the heck was Peter doing with the vault? He could walk through walls.....even if it was too dense then he could simple melt it ( Remember back ...the very first victim of Sylar's, he could melt and shape any metal surface. Peter should also have the powers since he should have stolen it from Sylar when the met.)
Another thing. Niki can't be dead. She's Peter's girlfriend in the future.
bignas1234
Dec 4 2007, 03:40 PM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 4 2007, 03:35 PM)

I was predicting that Hiro would take Adam back to his worst nightmare.....back 400 years and make him relive it... and essentially taking Adam out of the equation and preventing the release of the virus. Also...what the heck was Peter doing with the vault? He could walk through walls.....even if it was too dense then he could simple melt it ( Remember back ...the very first victim of Sylar's, he could melt and shape any metal surface. Peter should also have the powers since he should have stolen it from Sylar when the met.)
Another thing. Niki can't be dead. She's Peter's girlfriend in the future.
seemed like he didn't know most of his powers then, he only knew of his telekenesis and used that
Triton
Dec 4 2007, 03:58 PM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 4 2007, 03:35 PM)

I was predicting that Hiro would take Adam back to his worst nightmare.....back 400 years and make him relive it... and essentially taking Adam out of the equation and preventing the release of the virus. Also...what the heck was Peter doing with the vault? He could walk through walls.....even if it was too dense then he could simple melt it ( Remember back ...the very first victim of Sylar's, he could melt and shape any metal surface. Peter should also have the powers since he should have stolen it from Sylar when the met.)
Another thing. Niki can't be dead. She's Peter's girlfriend in the future.
You forgot to mention Peter is stupid and can't use most of his abilities for crap
Rynozeros
Dec 4 2007, 04:00 PM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 4 2007, 03:35 PM)

I was predicting that Hiro would take Adam back to his worst nightmare.....back 400 years and make him relive it... and essentially taking Adam out of the equation and preventing the release of the virus.
That wouldnt work and it would create two (immortal) Adam's through out that 400 years then ooo look out world
misshonest20
Dec 4 2007, 05:04 PM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 4 2007, 03:35 PM)

I was predicting that Hiro would take Adam back to his worst nightmare.....back 400 years and make him relive it... and essentially taking Adam out of the equation and preventing the release of the virus. Also...what the heck was Peter doing with the vault? He could walk through walls.....even if it was too dense then he could simple melt it ( Remember back ...the very first victim of Sylar's, he could melt and shape any metal surface. Peter should also have the powers since he should have stolen it from Sylar when the met.)
Another thing. Niki can't be dead. She's Peter's girlfriend in the future.
Oh what a great idea, to make Adam relive those years again, although as other posters pointed out, not only would the world have two invincible pissed off Adams to deal with, Adam would essentially still be on the lose, cause he would still be alive at the present time.
As for Niki, future's change, people die. Maybe the writers are trying to cut out a few storylines to make the show eaiser because so many fans were complaining ther there were too many characters and storylines to follow. Personally, I was kind of hoping that they would have let Maya stay dead. Not only is she annoying, but her storyline is pointless as of now. Ah well, I can keep hoping......
Ascendancy
Dec 4 2007, 08:38 PM
Yeah, Maya really has no use and Nikki's death doesn't really bother me. As for Nikki being Peter's girlfriend in the future, that future also had NYC blow up. That whole future was changed, including Peter and Nikki's affair. Also, Peter had amnesia to an extent. This means that he wouldn't remember which powers he has, and how to use them. It seems understandable why he didn't just walk through the wall (that's what I thought he would do).
Silentsoto
Dec 4 2007, 09:56 PM
QUOTE(Triton @ Dec 4 2007, 03:58 PM)

You forgot to mention Peter is stupid and can't use most of his abilities for crap

Yeah i don't get it, he could've done so much to get that vault open (then again that wouldn't have given the"heroes" enough time to get there to stop them, lol) But I don't get how he knew he could phase in the first place. His powers got suppressed right after the events at Kirby plaza.
You know what really pissed me off though is that he's so useless with most of his powers yet he can fight off a powerful opponent like Matt, he should have nothing on my boy Matt!!
You know I hadn't realized till this episode that Matt never met Hiro in this timeline.
yow4
Dec 5 2007, 07:33 AM
if nikki is no longer peter's girlfriend...and the future was somehow changed or altered....then Hiro would not have let his father die....and that whole cyclic thing about Tekensai being Hiro is crap....and then there would be no Hiro-complex: time-traveling, space-warping, all powerful but essentially useless feeling.
BigDamnHeroes
Dec 5 2007, 08:19 AM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 5 2007, 08:33 AM)

if nikki is no longer peter's girlfriend...and the future was somehow changed or altered....then Hiro would not have let his father die....and that whole cyclic thing about Tekensai being Hiro is crap....and then there would be no Hiro-complex: time-traveling, space-warping, all powerful but essentially useless feeling.
Changing the future doesn't change the past but changing the past changes the future.
yow4
Dec 5 2007, 09:52 AM
i was wondering...does Sylar gain Claire's powers now? We still don't know how Sylar transfers power from someone to himself. Through blood? through cannibalism of the brain?
BigDamnHeroes
Dec 5 2007, 10:10 AM
QUOTE(yow4 @ Dec 5 2007, 10:52 AM)

i was wondering...does Sylar gain Claire's powers now? We still don't know how Sylar transfers power from someone to himself. Through blood? through cannibalism of the brain?
My opinion is that powers cannot transfer through the blood, and it only heals pre-existing injury.
Sylar eats the brain.
String Theory
Dec 5 2007, 10:53 AM
Where did you get the information that Sylar eats the Brain? It was not shown on the show, was it?
BigDamnHeroes
Dec 5 2007, 11:21 AM
QUOTE(String Theory @ Dec 5 2007, 11:53 AM)

Where did you get the information that Sylar eats the Brain? It was not shown on the show, was it?
Not directly shown... that might push it past TV-14. Early season 1 as the FBI agent and Matt are investigating the Sylar murders.
Ascendancy
Dec 5 2007, 11:23 AM
No, it was ever physically shown, but every one of his victims' brains are missing
misshonest20
Dec 5 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE(Triton @ Dec 4 2007, 03:58 PM)

You forgot to mention Peter is stupid and can't use most of his abilities for crap

I was thinking the same thing, for how powerful Peter is he sure isn't living up to his potential. Shouldn't he have know how to phase through objects? He phased through his rope binds early season two when he was being held captive in Ireland, and he didn't even know he could do that then.
Also if he has simply phased through the vault door he could have destroyed the virus without ever letting Adam get close to the virus in case he really was bad.
I think that with how the last epsiode ended, were going to see a much more macho Peter as he exacts his revenge, hopefully he'll learn to use his abilities and become more of a hero.
Triton
Dec 5 2007, 07:36 PM
Haha what's even funnier was that Peter owed an immense debt of gratitude to Adam for healing Nathan's extensive injuries when his own blood can do the exact same thing

And Adam healing Nathan was really the only real leverage he had for Peter siding with him the entire time
maxxann
Dec 5 2007, 07:53 PM
QUOTE(Triton @ Dec 6 2007, 11:36 AM)

Haha what's even funnier was that Peter owed an immense debt of gratitude to Adam for healing Nathan's extensive injuries when his own blood can do the exact same thing

And Adam healing Nathan was really the only real leverage he had for Peter siding with him the entire time
hey, you're right. maybe Adam is just so persuasive... he mastered persuasion in 400 years! LOL...
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