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BultomanZ
Why didnīt he told Peter that 30 years ago, Adam tried to RELEASE the virus and that was the reason they locked him up ? If Peter wanted proof, they could both teleport back so Peter could see it for himself.

All Hiro said was that Adam betrayed him and killed Kaito, making it sound like a personal revenge instead of sounding like an atempt to save mankind. No wonder Peter didnīt believed him. dry.gif
bignas1234
plus he buried him in the cemetary, possiblity sumone cud cum across or the caretaker and say
'huh, an unmarked grave, unearthed ground, who cud it possibly be, let's dig it up'
they hear voices, adam jumps out like a Jack in a Box
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Dec 4 2007, 09:20 AM) *
plus he buried him in the cemetary, possiblity sumone cud cum across and say
'huh, an unmarked grave, unearthed ground, who cud it possibly be, let's dig it up'
they hear voices, adam jumps out like a Jack in a Box


he's probably going to keep an eye on it. Not that it'll take that long anyway; cellular regeneration doesn't help much when it comes to suffocating laugh.gif
Dark Hero™
Maybe Peter gets Hiro to tell him where Adam is buried so that he can get his blood (again) to save Nathan (again). Day-ja-vou?
Atheshar
Lack of oxygen just means Adam would have to switch to anaerobic production of energy. He'd probably fall into a coma but... any cell death he'd experience by overload of formic acid would just get regenerated. Theoretically Adam could survive suffocation.

Why else say "one bullet, to the head, it's the only way?"
Rynozeros
so adam peter and claire could possibly "live" in space?

live is in speech marks because of that guy saying coma
Inze
Yeah Hiro might have put him there incase his blood might be needed late on, plus a kill wouldn't really satisfy Hiro for the pain he suffered.
themko
Hmmm... retarded is such a strong word tongue.gif I think annoyingly childish describes Hiro better some times.
I really like the progress he has made in this season though. The 'flying man' thing at the kind was kinda fun too. Nathan was like 'oh no! Not this again'.

They've got Claire as their little blood donor haven't they?
I think he just doesn't have it in him to kill Adam. This is just more merciful from his point of view (doesn't mean it doesn't suck for Adam though biggrin.gif)
ReDeemer
I do think Hiro is kind of retarded, why doesn't he stop time and kill adam..?
dave6074
he wants adam to pay for killing his father so killing him just wont do for hiro...he wanted MORE !!!
Rynozeros
QUOTE(themko @ Dec 4 2007, 02:01 PM) *
Hmmm... retarded is such a strong word tongue.gif I think annoyingly childish describes Hiro better some times.
I really like the progress he has made in this season though. The 'flying man' thing at the kind was kinda fun too. Nathan was like 'oh no! Not this again'.

They've got Claire as their little blood donor haven't they?
I think he just doesn't have it in him to kill Adam. This is just more merciful from his point of view (doesn't mean it doesn't suck for Adam though biggrin.gif)


merciful? lol its probably the most cruel scenario for someone whose only power is regeneration and is going to live forever

i think Hiro got his revenge 1000 fold
ncajayon
QUOTE(Dark Hero™ @ Dec 5 2007, 02:24 AM) *
Maybe Peter gets Hiro to tell him where Adam is buried so that he can get his blood (again) to save Nathan (again). Day-ja-vou?



shouldn't peter have been able to heal nathan because of the powers he got from adam and claire?

Laughed so hard about the thread title smile.gif biggrin.gif
Silentsoto
QUOTE(BultomanZ @ Dec 4 2007, 09:10 AM) *
Why didnīt he told Peter that 30 years ago, Adam tried to RELEASE the virus and that was the reason they locked him up ? If Peter wanted proof, they could both teleport back so Peter could see it for himself.

All Hiro said was that Adam betrayed him and killed Kaito, making it sound like a personal revenge instead of sounding like an atempt to save mankind. No wonder Peter didnīt believed him. dry.gif



Well that would make too much sense, lol.
Auxii
LOL @ the noises Hiro was making when Peter was TK-Strangling him. biggrin.gif
Hmm, though.. He should have just told Peter.
SILLY Hiro.
Ascendancy
Why does it matter if he didn't kill him. Making him live forever without being able to do anything is much more punishment than just shooting him in the head.
timegeek
Since Adam can regenerate, don't you think he could start stratching or clawing his way out. His hands could continue to heal as he slowing make progress.

I figure he could break through the coffin and dig through the ground in a couple of months. Then Hiro better watch out.
Triton
Hmm I wouldn't call hiro retarded. He may be a flaming idiot, boofhead, or a thoughtless dimwit but not retarded.
Archis
omg...dont you think retarted is a bit strong word..hahalol
but i was wonderin y the hell didnt hiro stop time again and again..
Heroine
QUOTE(BultomanZ @ Dec 5 2007, 01:10 AM) *
Why didnīt he told Peter that 30 years ago, Adam tried to RELEASE the virus and that was the reason they locked him up ? If Peter wanted proof, they could both teleport back so Peter could see it for himself.

All Hiro said was that Adam betrayed him and killed Kaito, making it sound like a personal revenge instead of sounding like an atempt to save mankind. No wonder Peter didnīt believed him. dry.gif



Peter said, "Adam and I are going to stop the virus". Before Hiro could say, "NO, Adam wants to release the virus! I saw it 30 years ago", Peter ZAPS him!!

He didn't say it earlier because he didn't know that Peter was there to stop the virus. He didn't even know that Peter knew about the virus
rea_d_ace
QUOTE(dave6074 @ Dec 5 2007, 06:23 AM) *
he wants adam to pay for killing his father so killing him just wont do for hiro...he wanted MORE !!!

yeah...burying adam is such a d**n perfect way to make him f***'in upset....
Raekon
Peters blood probably can't ressurect anyone because he is not the main host of the power, he is a mimic that recalls a power when needed. That's one of the reasons he can't use more than one powers at a time and he has to switch one after another.
gfish
QUOTE(Atheshar @ Dec 5 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Lack of oxygen just means Adam would have to switch to anaerobic production of energy. He'd probably fall into a coma but... any cell death he'd experience by overload of formic acid would just get regenerated. Theoretically Adam could survive suffocation.

Why else say "one bullet, to the head, it's the only way?"


I think anaerobic production of energy would be a bit out of Adam's abilities. Cellular regeneration doesn't really link in with a complete change in physiology. As regeneration is a returning of the body to its original state.
yow4
QUOTE(Dark Hero™ @ Dec 4 2007, 09:24 AM) *
Maybe Peter gets Hiro to tell him where Adam is buried so that he can get his blood (again) to save Nathan (again). Day-ja-vou?


Peter could read read minds...so he doesn't need to "GET Hiro to do anything"
hiro_da_hero
i dunno if its just me, but the steel cage seems as though it has holes on the side, the ones that u see adam through. That would mean he would respire aerobically (lol) and so no need for regeneration - e would live there forever, unless he found a way of killing him self.




AFireInside
Theres something else that irks me, Hiro's memory span. So the last time Hiro saw Nathan he pretty much disowned him, calling him a 'Virran" and all that jazz, and then the very next time at Primatech he's all "Yatta" this and "Frying man" that. Eh, small hole maybe, or did Ando (who wasnt actually at the plaza) fill him in? I dunno, maybe it just came up in conversation.

"Oh so you know that flying man?"
"Yeah that nasty virran dude?"
"Yeah, so he's actually pretty sweet-as all round."
"Oh, choice."
"Yeah, he had a mullet and a massive chin-rug for a bit tho, but he's all right now."

I dunno.
NoMoreHeroes
QUOTE(hiro_da_hero @ Dec 5 2007, 01:27 PM) *
i dunno if its just me, but the steel cage seems as though it has holes on the side, the ones that u see adam through. That would mean he would respire aerobically (lol) and so no need for regeneration - e would live there forever, unless he found a way of killing him self.


Well, there'd still be no oxygen 6 feet under packed dirt. Plus, even IF we solved the oxygen problem, then we'd still need to solve the food and water problem. Without food, you wouldn't even need to have aerobic respiration xD and you sure as hell can't do aerobic respiration without water (no electron transport chain). Which leads me to believe that Hiro has actually killed Adam, just slower... he wants to torture him and make him die a slow and agonizing death.

QUOTE(gfish @ Dec 5 2007, 06:15 AM) *
I think anaerobic production of energy would be a bit out of Adam's abilities. Cellular regeneration doesn't really link in with a complete change in physiology. As regeneration is a returning of the body to its original state.


No, I think he can still do it, anaerobic respiration happens whether or not there is oxygen (glycolysis) but organisms capable of aerobic respiration will do so if there is oxygen present. Still, there'd be no food for him to digest and perform glycolysis on. (which makes me hope that Adam is dead for sure because I'm tired of the "magic blood" BS that keeps bringing dead people back)
gfish
QUOTE(NoMoreHeroes @ Dec 6 2007, 06:33 AM) *
Well, there'd still be no oxygen 6 feet under packed dirt. Plus, even IF we solved the oxygen problem, then we'd still need to solve the food and water problem. Without food, you wouldn't even need to have aerobic respiration xD and you sure as hell can't do aerobic respiration without water (no electron transport chain). Which leads me to believe that Hiro has actually killed Adam, just slower... he wants to torture him and make him die a slow and agonizing death.
No, I think he can still do it, anaerobic respiration happens whether or not there is oxygen (glycolysis) but organisms capable of aerobic respiration will do so if there is oxygen present. Still, there'd be no food for him to digest and perform glycolysis on. (which makes me hope that Adam is dead for sure because I'm tired of the "magic blood" BS that keeps bringing dead people back)


Ok, I agree with that. Still don't think he's capable of anaerobic respiration though, no proof either way.
maxxann
QUOTE(Heroine @ Dec 5 2007, 02:52 PM) *
Peter said, "Adam and I are going to stop the virus". Before Hiro could say, "NO, Adam wants to release the virus! I saw it 30 years ago", Peter ZAPS him!!

He didn't say it earlier because he didn't know that Peter was there to stop the virus. He didn't even know that Peter knew about the virus

agree. if you were in a tense situation, the conversation would be like playing table tennis, you wouldn't be able to make a good speech because you're trying to get an upperhand.... lol biggrin.gif
J.U.N.C
QUOTE(bignas1234 @ Dec 4 2007, 05:20 PM) *
plus he buried him in the cemetary, possiblity sumone cud cum across or the caretaker and say
'huh, an unmarked grave, unearthed ground, who cud it possibly be, let's dig it up'
they hear voices, adam jumps out like a Jack in a Box

lol funny dude
slythgoddez
QUOTE(NoMoreHeroes @ Dec 5 2007, 03:33 PM) *
Well, there'd still be no oxygen 6 feet under packed dirt. Plus, even IF we solved the oxygen problem, then we'd still need to solve the food and water problem. Without food, you wouldn't even need to have aerobic respiration xD and you sure as hell can't do aerobic respiration without water (no electron transport chain). Which leads me to believe that Hiro has actually killed Adam, just slower... he wants to torture him and make him die a slow and agonizing death.
No, I think he can still do it, anaerobic respiration happens whether or not there is oxygen (glycolysis) but organisms capable of aerobic respiration will do so if there is oxygen present. Still, there'd be no food for him to digest and perform glycolysis on. (which makes me hope that Adam is dead for sure because I'm tired of the "magic blood" BS that keeps bringing dead people back)


I agree with you.. lol
Kaenkun
We all know that Kimiko is the smart one....
peter88
Any guy who go out there and save the world is never retarded. Hiro is a true hero.

There are things in life which is worth than death. No more than adam deserve.
boldizzle
I noticed someone suggested Adam should dig his way out. Let's remember that it is the coffin that is keeping the 6 feet of dirt above him from squashing him.

I could be wrong but does someone feel demonstrating lying under 6 feet of compacted dirt without being in a coffin and tell me whether you don't feel any pressure from the mass of dirt lying on top of you? wink.gif

The point im making is that there is pretty much no way for him to get out on his own.


One_Hiro
Hiro isn't retarded, he wanted to kill Adam because Adam killed his father, even more so than him being mad about Adam trying to release the virus. But to put things in laymens terms; If Hiro would have teleported back to the day Adam tried to free the Shanti Virus, then we wouldn't have got to see all the action scenes leading up to Hiro stopping Adam, and Peter and Nathan's reunion.
matías.
time travelling is so wasted
judace
That term is highly offensive, firstly.

Adam would suffocate before he got to dig out,
I think!

So he would continually suffocate and revive.
The Ultimate, Eternal Tourture! (HELL)








QUOTE(AFireInside @ Dec 5 2007, 09:56 PM) *
Theres something else that irks me, Hiro's memory span. So the last time Hiro saw Nathan he pretty much disowned him, calling him a 'Virran" and all that jazz, and then the very next time at Primatech he's all "Yatta" this and "Frying man" that. Eh, small hole maybe, or did Ando (who wasnt actually at the plaza) fill him in? I dunno, maybe it just came up in conversation.

"Oh so you know that flying man?"
"Yeah that nasty virran dude?"
"Yeah, so he's actually pretty sweet-as all round."
"Oh, choice."
"Yeah, he had a mullet and a massive chin-rug for a bit tho, but he's all right now."

I dunno.



The last time he saw Nathan was when Peter blew and Nathan saved the day was it not??
Petrelli Fan
QUOTE(judace @ Dec 10 2007, 12:51 PM) *
The last time he saw Nathan was when Peter blew and Nathan saved the day was it not??


That's the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.

btw, to all who think that Hiro is retarded...I'd like to see you survive a force-grip like the one Darth Peter had him in. And I think y'all should remember that Hiro grows to become a badass in "Five Years Gone".
boy_unplugged
QUOTE(Petrelli Fan @ Dec 11 2007, 11:03 AM) *
That's the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.

btw, to all who think that Hiro is retarded...I'd like to see you survive a force-grip like the one Darth Peter had him in. And I think y'all should remember that Hiro grows to become a badass in "Five Years Gone".



i think you should KNOW that 5 years gone is a FRACTURED FUTURE!

nothing is happenening the way it would have then.

and sylar doesn't kill ando (which is why Hiro became "badass".

geez.


what we need to REMEMBER is this is just a show, and it goes the way it's written by the people who listen to popular demand to keep it from being cancelled.

just enjoy it.

and share your opinion nicely. rolleyes.gif
Petrelli Fan
QUOTE(boy_unplugged @ Dec 11 2007, 01:41 PM) *
i think you should KNOW that 5 years gone is a FRACTURED FUTURE!

nothing is happenening the way it would have then.

and sylar doesn't kill ando (which is why Hiro became "badass".

geez.
what we need to REMEMBER is this is just a show, and it goes the way it's written by the people who listen to popular demand to keep it from being cancelled.

just enjoy it.

and share your opinion nicely. rolleyes.gif


You could do with sharing your opinion nicely as well.
starwarsgeek
QUOTE(boy_unplugged @ Dec 11 2007, 12:41 PM) *
i think you should KNOW that 5 years gone is a FRACTURED FUTURE!

nothing is happenening the way it would have then.

and sylar doesn't kill ando (which is why Hiro became "badass".

geez.
what we need to REMEMBER is this is just a show, and it goes the way it's written by the people who listen to popular demand to keep it from being cancelled.

just enjoy it.

and share your opinion nicely. rolleyes.gif


1. Yeah, notings happening the same way...Claire didn't go to Calif...
people aren't considering going publ...
Peter and Hiro aren't learning how to figh...

yeah...

2. Your opinion wasn't shared very nicely.

3. Don't you think that loosing his father and having to abandon the woman he loves might have a similar effect?
dave6074
QUOTE(judace @ Dec 10 2007, 07:51 PM) *
The last time he saw Nathan was when Peter blew and Nathan saved the day was it not??



wait i thought hiro got wooshed (its a word) by sylar when peter tries to tell him to kill him and THEN nathan comes in....

starwarsgeek
QUOTE(dave6074 @ Dec 11 2007, 02:49 PM) *
wait i thought hiro got wooshed (its a word) by sylar when peter tries to tell him to kill him and THEN nathan comes in....

this is true. I'm thinking that Angela told Kaito what happened who told Ando who told Hiro.
salmonride
QUOTE(Silentsoto @ Dec 4 2007, 07:54 PM) *
Well that would make too much sense, lol.


hiro buried adam to get revenge for his fathers death! so, he saved the world without really knowing that he saved the world! hiro was not aware of the virus and wasnt prepared to listen to peter and at that time peter was too stupid to read adams mind and find out for him self, BUT i suppose if peter did read his mind the season wouldnt have ended so dramatically! season 1: hiro stabs sylar, peter and nathan save "the world":P season 2 hiro and peter save it! for different reasons... im curious to find out how hiro has going to have a part in season 3, there was no obvios lead was there?

AND i was expecting to see peter go into the future and save kaitlin?Hmmmmm

i think bennet shot nathan as his first new asignment!

someone else thinks west is bobs son and was planted to get claire...anyone else aware of this?

ta
-sparky-
QUOTE(salmonride @ Dec 12 2007, 01:31 PM) *
hiro was not aware of the virus...


What????

Hiro knew nothing about the virus??
What other than travelling to the past to discover who Adam really was and finding out that Adam had been incarcerated by his father for... er... trying to get hold of the virus...

QUOTE
AND i was expecting to see peter go into the future and save kaitlin?Hmmmmm


Caitlin is unsavable... she is trapped in a future which no longer exists... Rememebr that the future that she and Peter travelled to was one where the virus had been released and 93% of the worlds population was dead... But now they have stopped the virus being released the future that they travelled to no longer happens...

QUOTE
someone else thinks west is bobs son and was planted to get claire...anyone else aware of this?


Yes, this was an idea the writers had for season 2 but decided to dump as it was too unworkable...
salmonride
QUOTE(-sparky- @ Dec 12 2007, 07:20 AM) *
What????

Caitlin is unsavable... she is trapped in a future which no longer exists... Rememebr that the future that she and Peter travelled to was one where the virus had been released and 93% of the worlds population was dead... But now they have stopped the virus being released the future that they travelled to no longer happens...

this is a good point but a confusing one too. peter changed the past therefor the future will be different but hats not to say kaitlin is dead does it? imagine being in a horrible future then 1 day it all just turns back to normal...its just not possible!

anyone have any idea what hiro's role to play in the next season is? kinda seems like his work is done!
Petrelli Fan
QUOTE(salmonride @ Dec 14 2007, 06:23 AM) *
anyone have any idea what hiro's role to play in the next season is? kinda seems like his work is done!

Maybe we'll have another Ando and Hiro adventure! laugh.gif

...Or maybe Adam will come back and Hiro will have to actually kill him. tongue.gif
The Haitian Sensation
QUOTE(Petrelli Fan @ Dec 14 2007, 06:30 PM) *
Maybe we'll have another Ando and Hiro adventure! laugh.gif


i would love a hiro/ando adventure but maybe with ando discoverin his power biggrin.gif cool.gif

Petrelli Fan
QUOTE(Petrelli Boyz @ Dec 14 2007, 11:37 AM) *
i would love a hiro/ando adventure but maybe with ando discoverin his power biggrin.gif cool.gif

Nah, Ando's cool the way he is. He doesn't need a power. I like that there are normal characters in the show. Shows that the Heroes aren't just one big clique.
Captain Badass
if you wanna see retarded, look in the mirror. "why didn't he told...?"

Hiro is the balls. He's a humble man, he doesn't have to prove s*** like that to people.
The Haitian Sensation
QUOTE(Petrelli Fan @ Dec 14 2007, 06:41 PM) *
Nah, Ando's cool the way he is. He doesn't need a power. I like that there are normal characters in the show. Shows that the Heroes aren't just one big clique.

i agree that we need characters without powers to keep the show grounded in reality but i just think it would be so cool if ando got a power because him and hero would be a super team lol
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